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Hungry Tiger
22 August 2013 08:31:39


Hi everyone. Here is the morning look through the outputs of GFS, UKMO, GEM, NAVGEM and ECM for today Thursday August 22nd 2013.


All models show a cold front clearing East out of SE England this morning leaving a warm airflow over the Southern half of the UK with a slight Easterly or variable drift to the wind flow over the UK. After early rain, apart from a few afternoon showers the weather will be dry today. Tomorrow a new cold front is shown moving into the West and this crosses slowly East over the following 24 hrs developing a small but slow moving Low centre close to SE England over the weekend which is shown to recede only slowly away East by Bank Holiday Monday. In the North a ridge of High pressure develops behind the front on Saturday with a lot of dry and bright weather for the North and NW over the holiday weekend while showers, some heavy are likely elsewhere.


GFS then shows a ridge of high pressure across the UK next week with fine, bright and reasonably warm weather for most. However, there remains a weakness close to the SE where the occasional shower remains possible until the weekend. The ridge then extends to all areas and strengthens in week 2 with a large High centre locating to the West and extending across the UK late in the run it what would be a very dry and settled latter half to it's output this morning for all of the UK.


The GFS Ensembles show the operational as one of the warmer members with quite tight clustering in Southern locations through the run today, all hogging the long term average level for most of the run. There are few warm members shown but a few chilly ones showing up while northern locations see a lot more spread in a changeable weather pattern up here. Rainfall in the South remains programmed to be below average.


The Jet Stream today is shown to be well North of the UK at times in the next two weeks but probably too high to the North over the Atlantic with something of a returning arm South from Iceland close to the UK at times especially later meaning the warmest air in association with High pressure will be away from the UK.


UKMO today shows a slack NW flow over the UK by midweek next week in association with a broad ridge across the UK from High pressure just to the SW. The weather would be largely dry and benign with sunny spells and comfortably warm conditions for most away from cooler northern and Northeastern coasts.


GEM shows a strong ridge across Britain early next week which then develops into a closed cell of strong high pressure close to Western Britain late in it's run with a light northerly drift over the UK. Dry weather would be almost universal away from a few showers in the North early in the week. Thereafter a benign and quiet spell of anticyclonic type early Autumn weather would ensue with reasonably warm and bright days but cool and misty night could develop inland too.


NAVGEM has the scenario of losing the Low pressure away to the SE only slowly next week with some showers for a time down there while pressure will be High elsewhere with fine and dry weather which extends to all areas late in the run with fine and warm conditions with cool and misty nights as High pressure anchors over the UK.


ECM shows a slack Northerly flow over the UK for much of next week with some showers in the East for a time before it too brings High pressure across from the West over Northern Britain with a fine and settled spell developing for all with warm sunny spells by day and some cool and misty nights.


In Summary today it's a High pressure based pattern which looks set to rule the roost over what's left of our meteorological Summer and the beginning of Autumn. Nearly all models support an evolution which suggests High pressure sitting over or close to the UK later next week and beyond which would bring a period of fine and settled weather. All models seem to wish to keep the High just to the West of the UK which would bring a cooler injection of air into the mix at times holding temperatures towards the rather warm instead of very warm category but nevertheless the Farmers and Growers will welcome this news this morning for the continuing harvesting season. There is just one small caveat, this synoptic setup could deliver some quite chilly nights and now that the nights are approaching parity with daytime in length there is increased time for some cool nights to develop with a much increased risk of mist and fog in places, clearing readily in the mornings though.


Originally Posted by: GIBBY 


That's a nice forecast and nice improvement on many of what we've seen this past few days.


Looks like a decent Bank Holiday now.


 


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Rob K
22 August 2013 08:31:43
ECM just keeps going back to this idea of a trough dropping down from Iceland midweek bringing in a cool NW flow:
http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Recm1441.gif 

None of the other models seem to want anything to do with it but ECM just doesn't want to drop it! I hope it's wrong as it could really spoil the week.
Yateley, NE Hampshire, 73m asl
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22 August 2013 09:15:12

Forget what the weather is doing at the moment, I want this for Christmas - http://images.meteociel.fr/im/53382/cfs-2-3012_mlh6.png

http://images.meteociel.fr/im/28878/cfs-0-3012_mkq7.png


RavenCraven
22 August 2013 09:31:27





http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Recm2161.gif


Ecm trying to settle us down.


Been very dry around here , night rain would be welcome


Originally Posted by: Gaz 


Hope we dont see too many charts like that next winter


Andy


Originally Posted by: Gooner 


Ditto , that would be a disaster


Originally Posted by: Andy Woodcock 



For some  


Originally Posted by: Gooner 


 


Looks like the perfect winter chart to me. Although personally I'll start looking for winter come November.

Matty H
22 August 2013 09:33:28

Forget what the weather is doing at the moment, I want this for Christmas - http://images.meteociel.fr/im/53382/cfs-2-3012_mlh6.png

http://images.meteociel.fr/im/28878/cfs-0-3012_mkq7.png


Originally Posted by: ManUtdMatt1986 



Awful [sn_dead]

In the meantime, the outlook looks superb for anyone that likes nice weather. I'm off work next week, so hoping the models don't do some sort of silly backtrack. [sn_bsmil]
soperman
22 August 2013 11:17:45

Me too Matty. In Dartmouth all next week for regatta. Hoping ECM is wrong but even with then West is best.


Enjoy the sunshine.

GIBBY
22 August 2013 11:41:02

Off topic but for those interested I have analysed the data available to me from future long range forecasting tools and models and come up with my seasonal prediction for Autumn 2013 which you can see via my website or within the Autumn seasonal thread here in this forum.


Martin G
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ARTzeman
22 August 2013 11:47:44

On Topic for me for the cool clear nights.... 






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Gavin P
22 August 2013 13:01:49

Hi all,


Here's todays video update;


A Warm And Dry Start To September?


http://www.gavsweathervids.com


Looks like it could be a nice opening for the new month.


 


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Hungry Tiger
22 August 2013 13:05:33


Forget what the weather is doing at the moment, I want this for Christmas - http://images.meteociel.fr/im/53382/cfs-2-3012_mlh6.png

http://images.meteociel.fr/im/28878/cfs-0-3012_mkq7.png



Originally Posted by: ManUtdMatt1986 


Before one gets carried away with cold ramping. That would deliver a max temp I reckon of about -4C in my part of the country.


 


 


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Gooner
22 August 2013 17:15:04


Forget what the weather is doing at the moment, I want this for Christmas - http://images.meteociel.fr/im/53382/cfs-2-3012_mlh6.png

http://images.meteociel.fr/im/28878/cfs-0-3012_mkq7.png



Originally Posted by: ManUtdMatt1986 


Rare I agree with a Man U fan


What a pressie that would be


Remember anything after T120 is really Just For Fun



Marcus
Banbury
North Oxfordshire
378 feet A S L


Gooner
22 August 2013 17:16:19



Forget what the weather is doing at the moment, I want this for Christmas - http://images.meteociel.fr/im/53382/cfs-2-3012_mlh6.png

http://images.meteociel.fr/im/28878/cfs-0-3012_mkq7.png



Originally Posted by: Hungry Tiger 


Before one gets carried away with cold ramping. That would deliver a max temp I reckon of about -4C in my part of the country.


 


 


Originally Posted by: ManUtdMatt1986 


If that doesn't happen I hame blaming Gavin for getting my hopes up with his LR videos


Remember anything after T120 is really Just For Fun



Marcus
Banbury
North Oxfordshire
378 feet A S L


Matty H
22 August 2013 17:38:27


Forget what the weather is doing at the moment, I want this for Christmas - http://images.meteociel.fr/im/53382/cfs-2-3012_mlh6.png

http://images.meteociel.fr/im/28878/cfs-0-3012_mkq7.png



Originally Posted by: Gooner 


Rare I agree with a Man U fan


What a pressie that would be

Originally Posted by: ManUtdMatt1986 



You're not agreeing with one now either. He lives in the south and never attends a game. Oh wait, he's the exact model of a Man Utd fan. My error 😝

Back on topic, still looking tentatively decent next week
Gooner
22 August 2013 17:46:15



Forget what the weather is doing at the moment, I want this for Christmas - http://images.meteociel.fr/im/53382/cfs-2-3012_mlh6.png

http://images.meteociel.fr/im/28878/cfs-0-3012_mkq7.png



Originally Posted by: Matty H 


Rare I agree with a Man U fan


What a pressie that would be


Originally Posted by: Gooner 



You're not agreeing with one now either. He lives in the south and never attends a game. Oh wait, he's the exact model of a Man Utd fan. My error Flapper

Back on topic, still looking tentatively decent next week

Originally Posted by: ManUtdMatt1986 



http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rtavn1021.png


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rtavn10217.png


BH looking nice


Remember anything after T120 is really Just For Fun



Marcus
Banbury
North Oxfordshire
378 feet A S L


Stormchaser
22 August 2013 19:00:42

I was too busy for this morning's output (shock horror) so I'm now witnessing a fair shift in the output from what I remember 24 hours ago. Interesting that Friday's frontal system has been slowed down substantially, allowing many areas to have a very warm to hot day with plenty of dry weather about


The weekend still looks showery but the 12z GFS op run keeps the SW largely dry throughout. Monday is looking very nice indeed now that the LP is progged to clear away quickly enough


Thereafter, the theme of this August kicks in again, and the output to the end of FI becomes benign but pleasant enough with low 20's temps and not much rain to be had.


FI continues to hint at a particularly warm spell in September as HP becomes displaced from the Azores and wanders over the UK, bringing a large amount of subtropical air but without the hefty showers. Despite it's range, the resilliance of the signal and the fact that the pre-FI synoptics evolve in the right way for such a thing do make it something worth watching


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DaveinHull
22 August 2013 19:04:16

The ECM 12z has removed the chilly northwesterlies early next week and has fallen more in line with the UKMO and GFS. Plenty of pleasant weather to come next week with temperatures ranging from average to above average by a couple of degrees. Northing overly warm though but pleasant nevertheless.

Rob K
22 August 2013 19:14:30


The ECM 12z has removed the chilly northwesterlies early next week and has fallen more in line with the UKMO and GFS. Plenty of pleasant weather to come next week with temperatures ranging from average to above average by a couple of degrees. Northing overly warm though but pleasant nevertheless.


Originally Posted by: DaveinHull 


Yes that trough has been on and off and on and off the ECM output for days now. Hopefully that's it gone for good.


 


Having said that the GFS brings plenty of showers in on Tuesday in association with a week trough/col between the two HP systems. http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rtavn1264.png


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GIBBY
22 August 2013 19:24:06

Good evening. Here is the report on the 12 noon report on the outputs from GFS, UKMO, GEM, NAVGEM and ECM for Thursday August 22nd 2013.


All models show a slowly improving picture weather-wise over the long weekend after a rather mixed start. In the interim period a former trough continues to clear away East from Eastern England to be followed by another moving into Western Britain through tomorrow with occasional rain or showers spreading East. Over the weekend the very warm conditions in the SE on Friday dissolve away as showers and thunderstorms look likely through Saturday in Central and Eastern Britain while Northern and Western Britain become cooler and clearer. This showery area contracts over Sunday and Bank Holiday Monday retreating to the far SE by the end of Monday.


GFS then shows maintained improvements as we look towards the middle and end of next week with a strong ridge of high pressure extending NE overall areas with plenty of attendant fine weather and sunshine. In the second half of the run High pressure remains the dominant force out to the West of the UK with a Northerly wind for much of the time bringing fine and mostly settled weather with sunny spells. The far North and East could be more cloudy at times with a little rain while all areas look like turning warmer at the end of the run as the High slips further NE over the UK.


The GFS Ensembles show quite a wide spread tonight when compared to this morning's. Nevertheless, the report is still shown to be very High pressure based with the position of the High having some repercussions on temperatures at the surface. Needless to say away from the far North rainfall amounts continue to be predicted as below average.


The Jet Stream shows the promise of being sent high over the Atlantic towards Iceland and Greenland as High pressure builds over the Atlantic next week and probably beyond. It then turns South over the North Sea and Western Europe while hopefully maintaining that Southern course far enough East to unaffect conditions over the UK.


UKMO tonight shows the midweek period governed by High pressure building strongly North over the UK with fine and dry weather over all areas with temperatures recovering from the normal values of early in the week to rather warm levels with time.


GEM tonight shows a High pressure belt across the UK next week before it is shown to recede somewhat towards the SW at the end of the run. Fine, warm and settled weather is shown to affect all areas with cooling conditions developing later as wind and cloud amounts increase from the NW.


NAVGEM shows a ridge of High pressure across the UK with a weak front moving SE early next week with some cloud and a little rain possible before the fine and settled weather shown by other output develops in full later next week. 


ECM tonight shows High pressure being a little more reluctant to build High pressure across the UK without complications tonight but the result is basically the same with fine weather for all areas with weak troughs throwing in the chance of more cloud cover and the odd shower at times. Winds would stay light through next week with temperatures on the warm side of average.


In Summary the weather continues to look pretty good after the weekend. There will be some good sunny spells and and temperatures will spend much of their time on the warm side of average with little in the way of significant rainfall likely in a pretty benign spell of late summer weather.


Martin G
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cowman
22 August 2013 19:41:30
Thanks martin that will do for me.
GIBBY
23 August 2013 07:36:24
Hi everyone. On the eve of our last long weekend of the Summer here is the report on weather proceedings as they stand according to the models for the next couple of weeks as at Friday August 23rd 2013.

All models show a fairly clear pattern now to take us out towards the end of the next working week. Currently a cold front is approaching from the West. As it runs into the warm and humid air ahead of it it invigorates later today changing the occasional rain that reaches the West today into a much more vigorous affair with some torrential rain and local flooding issues possible as it reaches central and Eastern Britain late today and lasts here through tonight and well into tomorrow. The West will see clearer and much cooler and fresher air arrive by tomorrow which extends slowly East to reach all areas by Sunday with a cool NNE wind over the SE with a few showers while the rest of the UK stays dry and bright. Through next week the weather looks fairly benign with a lot of dry and bright weather to be found in all areas. Tuesday will see a weak front cross SE with a little rain followed by a strong rise of pressure with increasingly warm and sunny weather developing towards the end of the week for all as High pressure drifts over the UK from the West or SW.


GFS then shows the second half of it's run governed by this High pressure. It slips briefly South next weekend with a little rain possible in the North for a time before building back over the top of all areas for the remainder of the output with fine, sunny and reasonably warm early September weather likely for all with the risk of fog at night and the odd shower late in the run as pressure falls a little.


The GFS Ensembles show a lot of uniformity between the members across the South with a lot more spread further North with a few members here breaching the 0C isotherm line later in the run. Rainfall remains small in amount in the South but more variable between members in the North.


The Jet Stream forecast continues to support an Atlantic high next week with the flow riding high to it's North over Iceland. Later in the run as the High moves East across the UK it slips slowly South maintaining a West to East movement just to the North of the UK until it sinks South across the UK at the very end of the run.


UKMO today shows High pressure ridging NE across the UK in the middle of next week with the prospect of fine and settled weather for all of the UK for several days in rather warm conditions by day with cool and misty nights.


GEM shows much the same pattern before at the very end of it's run it pulls it's influence away from the UK somewhat as it moves SW allowing an Atlantic Low to begin to affect the North in 10 days time.


NAVGEM too shows the Atlantic ridge extending NE across the UK by the middle of next week giving all areas fine, settled and reasonably warm conditions for several days late next week, especially towards the South.


ECM holds High pressure over the UK next week once established with only small but subtle changes towards the end of the run as cooler air infiltrates the UK. Some good spells of sunshine could be expected with warm conditions for several days before slightly cooler and moister air arrives by the weekend with chilly nights leading to fog formation at night in places.


In Summary all looks good for the weather next week. Admittedly, Tuesday looks a little 'iffy' as a weak front sinks SE over the UK but this serves as a catalyst to strongly rising pressure from midweek with warm and settled conditions developing over the UK which will be sitting under High pressure with light winds and cool, misty nights for some considerable time thereafter with no real sign of a breakdown from reliable output today. Temperatures will not be record breakingly high but will be comfortably above average for the most part and will serve to give us those mellow late Summer/early Autumn days that September's often produce. Enjoy.


Martin G
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soperman
23 August 2013 07:42:18

Thanks Martin. Almost a poetic summary

ARTzeman
23 August 2013 08:10:31

Thanks Martin....






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David M Porter
23 August 2013 08:36:35

Thanks martin that will do for me.

Originally Posted by: cowman 


Yes, same here.


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23 August 2013 08:54:20

I've noticed that every time there is the risk of heavy rain or snow for parts of the UK the various models show my area to be hardest hit right up until a couple of runs before the actual event. For example, the NAE model update has just halved the rainfall for here tonight through tomorrow. Does anyone know why this might be

Hungry Tiger
23 August 2013 09:27:19


Hi everyone. On the eve of our last long weekend of the Summer here is the report on weather proceedings as they stand according to the models for the next couple of weeks as at Friday August 23rd 2013.

All models show a fairly clear pattern now to take us out towards the end of the next working week. Currently a cold front is approaching from the West. As it runs into the warm and humid air ahead of it it invigorates later today changing the occasional rain that reaches the West today into a much more vigorous affair with some torrential rain and local flooding issues possible as it reaches central and Eastern Britain late today and lasts here through tonight and well into tomorrow. The West will see clearer and much cooler and fresher air arrive by tomorrow which extends slowly East to reach all areas by Sunday with a cool NNE wind over the SE with a few showers while the rest of the UK stays dry and bright. Through next week the weather looks fairly benign with a lot of dry and bright weather to be found in all areas. Tuesday will see a weak front cross SE with a little rain followed by a strong rise of pressure with increasingly warm and sunny weather developing towards the end of the week for all as High pressure drifts over the UK from the West or SW.


GFS then shows the second half of it's run governed by this High pressure. It slips briefly South next weekend with a little rain possible in the North for a time before building back over the top of all areas for the remainder of the output with fine, sunny and reasonably warm early September weather likely for all with the risk of fog at night and the odd shower late in the run as pressure falls a little.


The GFS Ensembles show a lot of uniformity between the members across the South with a lot more spread further North with a few members here breaching the 0C isotherm line later in the run. Rainfall remains small in amount in the South but more variable between members in the North.


The Jet Stream forecast continues to support an Atlantic high next week with the flow riding high to it's North over Iceland. Later in the run as the High moves East across the UK it slips slowly South maintaining a West to East movement just to the North of the UK until it sinks South across the UK at the very end of the run.


UKMO today shows High pressure ridging NE across the UK in the middle of next week with the prospect of fine and settled weather for all of the UK for several days in rather warm conditions by day with cool and misty nights.


GEM shows much the same pattern before at the very end of it's run it pulls it's influence away from the UK somewhat as it moves SW allowing an Atlantic Low to begin to affect the North in 10 days time.


NAVGEM too shows the Atlantic ridge extending NE across the UK by the middle of next week giving all areas fine, settled and reasonably warm conditions for several days late next week, especially towards the South.


ECM holds High pressure over the UK next week once established with only small but subtle changes towards the end of the run as cooler air infiltrates the UK. Some good spells of sunshine could be expected with warm conditions for several days before slightly cooler and moister air arrives by the weekend with chilly nights leading to fog formation at night in places.


In Summary all looks good for the weather next week. Admittedly, Tuesday looks a little 'iffy' as a weak front sinks SE over the UK but this serves as a catalyst to strongly rising pressure from midweek with warm and settled conditions developing over the UK which will be sitting under High pressure with light winds and cool, misty nights for some considerable time thereafter with no real sign of a breakdown from reliable output today. Temperatures will not be record breakingly high but will be comfortably above average for the most part and will serve to give us those mellow late Summer/early Autumn days that September's often produce. Enjoy.


Originally Posted by: GIBBY 



Now that is nice - That is really very nice.


 


Gavin S. FRmetS.
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