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Polar Low
Wednesday, October 23, 2013 9:21:05 AM

out of intrest u would not want no7 or 15 perbs  2 major storms to hit uk the first in around 100 hours.


both with storm force winds


 


http://www.meteociel.fr/modeles/gefs_cartes.php?code=7&ech=102&mode=0&carte=0

turbotubbs
Wednesday, October 23, 2013 9:29:11 AM


Although there still appears to be some concensus for a 'daughter low' event on Monday, we are in the guess range and mean charts won't really be of any use.
The models are clearly reacting to the presence of a lot of energy and moisture in the central Atlantic and any subtle baroclinic disturbance could well result in the formation of a daughter low which would likley deepen rapidly and ride the jet west to east, with the UK in the firing line.
Past experience dictates that when the NWP picks up on a signal like this, some sort of significant storm will result but until the parameters can get into the fine grid algorithms (<48hrs) it's not worth being too fussy on track and intensity.


Originally Posted by: nsrobins 

Wise words. What would be interesting in an abstract sense would be a storm similar to that of 1987, would we be better at forecasting/now casting etc? I guess we have far better coverage for data. and I would hope better modelling now, so the chance of being caught unawares is less.


I should say that such a storm does have the potential for serious effects on people and property, so I am in two minds - as a weather geek I love it, but I hate the potential harms too.

doctormog
Polar Low
Wednesday, October 23, 2013 11:18:03 AM

6z navgm sticks to its guns and says no to major storm for southern uk


http://www.meteociel.fr/modeles/navgeme_cartes.php?&ech=126&mode=0&carte=0


 

Stormchaser
Wednesday, October 23, 2013 1:55:27 PM


Ironically, I'll be down on the Isle of Purbeck studying the weather conditions over the weekend as part of my course. This storm is 24 hours too late


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Gusty
Wednesday, October 23, 2013 4:25:14 PM

12z GFS moves 'the bomb' further south on this run. Strongest gusts are further south as a result. A nasty feature nevertheless.


http://91.121.16.5/modeles_gfs/runs/2013102312/114-289.GIF?23-12


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Charmhills
Wednesday, October 23, 2013 4:29:47 PM


12z GFS moves 'the bomb' further south on this run. Strongest gusts are further south as a result. A nasty feature nevertheless.


http://91.121.16.5/modeles_gfs/runs/2013102312/114-289.GIF?23-12


Originally Posted by: Gusty 


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rtavn1141.png


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rtavn1201.png


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rtavn1261.png


Thats the current state of play for Monday.


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Gooner
Wednesday, October 23, 2013 5:10:06 PM

http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rtavn12617.png


A strong NWly really dropping the temps from the current values


 


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GIBBY
Wednesday, October 23, 2013 8:07:55 PM

Good evening. Here is the report on the midday outputs from the regular five weather computer models for today Wednesday October 23rd 2013.


All models show a sustained spell of unsettled weather for the coming few weeks. In the short term a ridge of High pressure tomorrow will be swept away by Low pressure moving up across the UK from the SW on Friday and then becoming absorbed into a strong to gale West to SW flow across the UK with a wet day Friday blending into an equally wet weekend with showers or longer spells of rain with temperatures somewhat lower than of late. By Monday the models diverge as the potential for a major storm system approaching the UK develops and is handled differently by each of the models.


GFS takes this development directly over Southern England with severe gales carried away from the UK to Northern France although a lot ofrain would be likely instead as it passes over. Pressure rises steadily then with sunshine and showers through the middle of the week. Winds then back SW with milder air sweeping back NE over Britain with rain and drizzle over the North and West. This pattern of alternating mild and changeable weather with drier and brighter spells in the South at times continues throughout the rest of the run with at no point anything particularly cold shown.


UKMO tonight looks very stormy Sunday night into Monday as it has the storm system crossing Central England with severe gales over Southern England and Wales. Behind that the rain and showers will continue but with winds decreasing steadily towards the middle of the week with temperatures feeling rather cold.


GEM shows virtually no development of this storm at all and just sends a normal if powerful enough in itself storm across the far North with strong to gale Westerly winds and showers and longer spells of rain with snow on Scottish hills. Further changeable weather is then expected over the remainder of the run with temperatures close to or a little below average but with slacker Low pressure by the end of the run.


NAVGEM takes the less intense storm over Scotland and therefore is less disruptive to infrastructure over Britain while carrying a spell of rain and strong winds for all. Thereafter, it stays windy and relatively unsettled with further rain at times and average temperatures.


The GFS Ensembles tonight look like a colder and very squally and wet period is to come before things moderate somewhat in terms of wind and rainfall from the middle of next week. Temperatures then stay broadly closer to average with more occasional rain and with fairly brisk winds still likely.


The Jet Stream is blowing very strongly over the Atlantic towards the British Isles currently and doesn't look like weakening or moving trajectory or latitude anytime soon.


In Summary the potential for a severe weather event at the end of the weekend remains tonight. Embryonic signs of a depression way out over the Atlantic will get caught up in our Jet flow with the potential for it then to develop explosively as it approaches the weekend at the end of the weekend. the event is by no means certain and may just blend into the general weather picture of wet and windy weather with sunshine and showers in between. As we move through the middle and end of next week and beyond prospects are still very uncertain though it looks more likely that no cold, frosty or foggy weather is likely in the near future.


Transcript taken from:-http://www.norton-ra...is(2859336).htm
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DEW
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Wednesday, October 23, 2013 9:22:16 PM

Thanks Martin. I'll get out this weekend and fix that wobbly fence post ...


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Gooner
Wednesday, October 23, 2013 10:13:57 PM


Thanks Martin. I'll get out this weekend and fix that wobbly fence post ...


Originally Posted by: DEW 


you will be fixing it agin on Tuesday


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Marcus
Banbury
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Gooner
Wednesday, October 23, 2013 10:16:29 PM

http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rtavn1081.png


At this point strongest winds through the channel


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rtavn1141.png


Strong NWlies across more Southern areas of the UK


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rtavn12017.png


will feel cold in the strong winds


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Marcus
Banbury
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Rob K
Thursday, October 24, 2013 7:19:46 AM
Morning, campers. GFS 00Z still looks very blowy, with the strongest winds now through the Channel early on Monday morning then through the southern North Sea. Definitely one to watch.

http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rmgfs1025.gif 
http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rmgfs1055.gif 
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doctormog
Thursday, October 24, 2013 7:24:35 AM
Again a very unsettled spell of weather shown in the current output with the potential for very windy conditions in some places. It's too early to put any specifics but there is a realistic chance of gales in many places through the Sunday to Tuesday time period.
Gooner
Thursday, October 24, 2013 7:34:02 AM

http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rtavn1021.png


looks rough for the far South


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rtavn1024.png


some heavy rain in places also


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Marcus
Banbury
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GIBBY
Thursday, October 24, 2013 8:19:06 AM

Good morning everyone. Here is todays A.M. report on the midnight outputs from GFS, UKMO, GEM, NAVGEM and ECM for today Thursday October 23rd 2013.


All models show Low pressure moving up towards Ireland from the SW over the next 34 hours or so. A ridge of High pressure today will keep most places dry and bright with cloud and a freshening SE breeze reaching the SW by dusk. Rain follows NE and reaches most areas by tomorrow with clearer, mild and showers conditions affecting the South tomorrow while the North stays wet. Through the weekend further troughs advance East off the Atlantic with a rash of showers and strong winds or all later Saturday and Sunday. On Sunday night and into Monday the jury seems to remain out on the potential for a stormy spell of weather as a small, fast moving but significant Low moves East across the South with severe gales, heavy rain and then squally showers rattling through. It will feel rather cold over the UK through this period.


GFS then shows a rapid pressure rise with a ridge crossing East over the UK midweek with drier , quieter and less rainy weather with the South probably becoming completely dry for a time. Elsewhere mild SW winds return with some rain at times, occasionally reaching the SE on weakening cold fronts as they pass. Later in the run High pressure plays a bigger role over the South for a time, extending in from Europe with frost and fog patches night and morning. The North sees more injections of mild Atlantic SW winds and rain which occasionally still reaches down into the SE. Temperatures throughout would be rather mild in the SW flows but occasionally rather chilly behind cold fronts and any clear nights in the drier spells across the misty South.


UKMO this morning shows a weak ridge of High pressure crossing the UK following the very disturbed and stormy period of early in the week. As a result a dry and quiet day is expected next Wednesday before fronts and a renewed injection of SW winds bring further rain back across the North and West especially soon after Day 6.


GEM shows just a squally trough rather than a storm moving quickly East on Monday. Pressure is then shown to rise, especially across the South with a lot of dry and rather mild weather developing thereafter with High pressure held over Europe while the North keeps the Atlantic onslaught going with wind and rain moving West to East at times. Temperatures look to be near or rather above normal in the South later and far from cold in the unsettled North as well.


NAVGEM makes little or nothing of the storm early in the week with just a strong blustery conventional Westerly flow carrying a mix of sunshine and squally showers up to midweek. Thereafter it does differ somewhat in as much as it prefers to keep Low pressure close to all of the British Isles with attendant rain and showers continuing for all in average temperatures.


ECM does whistle a rapidly deepening Low across the South on Monday morning with the risk of severe gales in the extreme South while the general pattern of unsettled and strong wind weather pattern remains in place throughout next week with a drier interlude possible around midweek.


The GFS Ensembles show a typically unsettled and Autumnal pattern with an oscillating set of members pulsing on the mild and cold side of average throughout though never markedly so. As a result the general consensus is that the weather will remain Atlantic based with rain at times throughout the next few weeks with little to be relied upon dry and settled weather. Temperatures should remain near, or just above and below the long term mean throughout.


The Jet Stream is currently positioning itself over the Atlantic and the UK once tomorrows Low has moved North and become absorbed in the Atlantic flow. It doesn't look like straying far from that position either anytime soon blowing very strongly at times.


In Summary the main talking point is how the development of Sunday/Monday storm system develops if at all and where. Little is any clearer today with some output ignoring any chance at all while ECM , UKMO and ECM show potential for a short but worrying period when storm force winds are possible over the highly populated South on Monday. Things then look like settling down briefly midweek but there is plenty of support for the Atlantic to quickly regain momentum with further wind and rain likely for all. It does look like there is a chance of some more prolonged drier interludes in the South later where mist, fog and frost may develop briefly but overall there is nothing for 'cold lovers' to hang there hopes on while the Atlantic stays in such vigorous mode and High pressure remains over Southern Europe.


Transcript taken from:-http://www.norton-ra...is(2859336).htm


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Polar Low
Thursday, October 24, 2013 8:49:10 AM

Thanks Martin


looks like heights in europe are going to be a bugger to shift for us coldies


http://www.meteo.psu.edu/~fxg1/ECMWF_0z/hgtcomp.html

Gavin P
Thursday, October 24, 2013 11:33:30 AM

Hi all,


Here's today's video update:


Stormy Monday Latest;


http://www.gavsweathervids.com


Looks in detail at Mondays possible events + The weather to the start of November as well.


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Rob K
Thursday, October 24, 2013 11:43:06 AM
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ARTzeman
Thursday, October 24, 2013 1:42:47 PM

Be interesting Sunday onward...Along with the far south west on Friday.






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Stormchaser
Thursday, October 24, 2013 5:37:53 PM

GFS 12z op run matches 00z op run very well in terms of the event early on Monday.


UKMO is 5mb deeper with the system at +96 hours, so for once GFS is not the most energetic of the models.


GEM has been showing it as only a wave feature while across the UK for many runs now, but the latest one finally produces a closed low faster, albeit in the N. Sea.


GME out to +72 hours shows a more complex picture, with an extra wave feature just NW of the shortwave we're all keeping an eye on. If they combined, a strong storm would result, but if they stayed seperate, we'd likely see two weaker features crossing the UK in quick succession.


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GIBBY
Thursday, October 24, 2013 7:39:30 PM

Good evening. Here is the report on the 12 midday outputs from GFS, UKMO, GEM, NAVGEM and ECM for today Thursday October 24th 2013.


All models show Low pressure becoming dominant again over the next few days as the first centre moves North North-east across the UK tomorrow and is followed by very deep Low pressure up to the North with a broad run of westerly winds with showers and longer spells of rain over the weekend. On Monday the risk of a severe weather event is still shown by the most powerful models and if the path of the storm takes a track over Northern Wales and England severe or storm force winds are possible for a time on Monday but there is still an element of doubt as to how strong the winds will be and where tonight.


GFS then takes us through the remainder of next week with changeable weather maintained but with less wind than early in the week as Low pressure ends up close to SW England with rain at times and relatively mild conditions in the Southerly flow. Later in the output the Atlantic racks up strength again with gales and spells of rain and showers returning to all areas over week 2 as deep Low pressure moves East to the North of the UK.


UKMO tonight shows a brief lull following the Monday storm with sunshine and showers before a new Low pressure up to the NW brings renewed strong winds and heavy rain East across all areas around midweek. Temperatures wouldn't be far from average but it will feel cold in the wind and rain.


GEM shows a very changeable and windy period through next week with High pressure never far from the South especially later in the run. Nevertheless, it would be sufficiently far away to maintain windy weather for all with Westerly gales on northern and Western coasts and hills at times. rain would be commonplace too with the North and West seeing the most of this until all areas dry out a bit as pressure builds up from the SW at the end of the run.


NAVGEM keeps very unsettled weather next week with spells of rain and showers for all as Low pressure continues to move across or to the North of the UK. Temperatures would fluctuate between average and maybe a little above or below average at times.


ECM tonight shows a brief respite from the wind and rain as we move through midweek as a weak ridge crosses the UK from the West. Later in the week Low pressure intensifies again to the North bringing renewed rain and strong winds across from the West from later in the week. Temperatures will be close to average.


The GFS Ensembles continue to show mostly unsettled weather with rain at times in a strongly Atlantic based weather pattern. Temperatures are never expected to be cold or overly warm through the period with strong winds at times too.


The Jet Stream shows the flow troughed down to the SW of Britain but flattens out on a West to East axis across the Atlantic and the UK from the weekend and well into the end of next week.


In Summary the weather looks like staying very unsettled over the next few weeks. There will just be a few shorter and drier interludes between lengthy spells of rain and showers. The start of next week looks potentially stormy with the risk of some damaging winds over Southern Britain for a time. Temperatures are likely to be average for most of the time but with all the wind and rain it will feel chilly for much of the time too.


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cowman
Thursday, October 24, 2013 7:44:22 PM
Thanks martin, allways look foreward to your report.
Polar Low
Thursday, October 24, 2013 7:59:46 PM

Thanks Martin, bit worried down here about high winds nothing worse for weather for me always in the middle of night it seems with things flying about and damage homes and people and no sleep not my cup of tea,


bad enough now as partner dont sleep because of Adam


hope it changes soon I really do.

Hungry Tiger
Thursday, October 24, 2013 8:15:25 PM

Keep tabs on Monday-  I wonder if it will be overrated though.


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