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Gavin P
Wednesday, November 27, 2013 8:58:31 AM

ECM and GEM both looking quite encouraging for a northerly blast late next week, though it's far from the best pattern to work with...


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Quantum
Wednesday, November 27, 2013 9:01:10 AM


ECM and GEM both looking quite encouraging for a northerly blast late next week, though it's far from the best pattern to work with...


Originally Posted by: Gavin P 


Taken literally though, the ECM is looking quite snowy, with fronts making the experience more interesting. Even if some spoiler low develops over canada, itl take a while for that ridge to reach the UK from its position in W greenland. A good 5 days of cold/snow at least if the ECM/GEM is to be believed. 


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2023/2024 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):
29/11 (-6), 30/11 (-6), 02/12 (-5), 03/12 (-5), 04/12 (-3), 16/01 (-3), 18/01 (-8), 08/02 (-5)

Total: 8 days with snow/sleet falling.

2022/2023 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

18/12 (-1), 06/03 (-6), 08/03 (-8), 09/03 (-6), 10/03 (-8), 11/03 (-5), 14/03 (-6)

Total: 7 days with snow/sleet falling.

2021/2022 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

26/11 (-5), 27/11 (-7), 28/11 (-6), 02/12 (-6), 06/01 (-5), 07/01 (-6), 06/02 (-5), 19/02 (-5), 24/02 (-7), 30/03 (-7), 31/03 (-8), 01/04 (-8)
Total: 12 days with snow/sleet falling.
winterof79
Wednesday, November 27, 2013 9:01:29 AM



And JFF CFS from Boxing day http://www.meteociel.fr/modeles/cfse_cartes.php?ech=720&mode=0&carte=1&run=10


Originally Posted by: Tractor Boy 


Fun? Looks grim.


Originally Posted by: winterof79 


"FROM" Boxing Day onwards


Jason
Gusty
Wednesday, November 27, 2013 9:05:12 AM


ECM and GEM both looking quite encouraging for a northerly blast late next week, though it's far from the best pattern to work with...


Originally Posted by: Gavin P 


Indeed Gavin. Short, sharp (for the north) and largely transitory in nature. Better than nothing though and pre 2009 this place would have been going into meltdown soon if the pattern persisted.


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GIBBY
Wednesday, November 27, 2013 9:12:08 AM

Good morning folks. Here is my account of how the weather models are shaping up on the next couple weeks prospects taken using the data from the midnight outputs on Tuesday November 27th 2013.


All models show a period of very slow changes in the weather over the UK for the next week or so. High pressure remains stubbornly close to SW England and the weather shows a milder and moister West flow across the UK now with widepread anticyclonic gloom and hill mist and drizzle at times. This weather will likely persist for the next 36 hours or so before brighter and fresher conditions chase the low cloud and murk away on Friday with sunshine and scattered showers wintry on hills in the North briefly. By the second half of the weekend the weather retrns milder and cloudy again as milder and moist air again rounds the Northern periphery of the High still close to the SW and down over the UK. The start of next week looks relatively mild and benign as the High finally starts to relax away SE while maintaining a UK ridge which maintains dry and quiet weather for most.


GFS then shows temporary injections of more unsettled weather starting midweek next week firstly over the North, extending to the South too at times. However, any one weather type remains short-lived as milder air quickly replaces any colder weather and there will be rain at times in the second half of the run although amounts in the South look small on this operational run as High pressure remains fairly close towards the SW or South for much of the time.


UKMO shows High pressure over the mid Alantic with a ridge all the way across the UK to Germany next Tuesday. The quiet and benign weather will still be well established next Tuesday with only a slight increase in the Westerly breeze across the North with perhaps a little light rain in the far North and NW. Temperatures would be relatively mild under relatively cloudy skies.


GEM today holds quiet and benign conditions right out to the end of next week now as High pressure clings on and only briefly looks like giving way at the very end of next week to a spell of rather colder and blustery NW winds with rain at times and some snow showers for a time on Northern and Eastern high ground before the likelihood of mild and damp weather returns to all over next weekend.


NAVGEM closes it's run with a slow deterioration in conditions through the middle of next week as weakening troughs move SE down over Britain with a little rain with the prospect of a phase of more active fronts and wind later in the week but never looking overly cold at any point.


ECM this morning shows fine weather still at the midweek point as High pressure clings on over Britain before a pulse of energy pushes a band of rain and colder weather SE over all areas late in the week before conditions gradually turn less cold but still unsettled in the North in time for the weekend while the South would probably become dry and rather cloudy again and less cold to end the run as High pressure is close by to the South.


The GFS Ensembles continue to show nothing threateningly cold and wintry over the next few weeks. True, there is a period when below average uppers look likely later next week but coming from the NW things could well become modified at the surface by the North Atlantic when crossing the UK to give no more than the threat of wintry showers for a time over Northern hills. There is then strong support for even this pattern to flatten out later as Westerly winds look favoured to take hold with rain at times, chiefly in the North and temperatures well up to average.


The Jet Stream flow remains stubbornly positioned to keep cold weather away from the UK for the reliable future with the main core of the flow well North of the UK. Later next week it does show signs of moving South towards crossing the UK rather than locations to the North but it's orientation remains poor for any sustained cold outbreaks with just transitory NW'lies the only likelihood of anything below average later next week.


In Summary the weather remains stubbornly locked into a High pressure based Winter pattern which provides days of anticyclonic gloom and benign weather. As the High shuffles about over the next 7 days there is some opportunity for clearer and cleaner air to flood South towards the weekend before this becomes displaced by Sunday by more of our current weather pattern lasting into the middle of next week. As on previous runs there is still evidence of a change to colder and more unsettled weather from the end of next week but this seems a lifetime away and if anything as been reined back this morning in it's spread and influence on this morning's output to just bring a day or two of colder air before the Atlantic bandwagon NW of the British Isles flattens the pattern to return milder air with rain at times, chiefly in the North.


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Steve Murr
Wednesday, November 27, 2013 9:28:37 AM

HI Martin-


 


Where are you getting the information to come to this conclusion?


 













but this seems a lifetime away and if anything as been reined back this morning in it's spread and influence on this morning's output to just bring a day or two of colder air before the Atlantic bandwagon NW of the British Isles flattens the pattern to return milder air with rain at times, chiefly in the North.






Martin G
Quantum
Wednesday, November 27, 2013 9:38:02 AM

My personal intepretation is at least 5 days of cold blocked weather, although with some frontal activity coming in from the atlantic. The PV is really damaged by 240, thanks to my bearing high; and spoiler lows are really struggling to develop over the warm air in canada. 


http://meteociel.fr/modeles/ecmwf/runs/2013112700/ECH100-240.GIF?27-12


Look at the anomolies over canada. Very warm in the north, and cold to the south indicating lows that form may be more prone to run under the block rather than through or over it. 


Twitter: @QuantumOverlord (general), @MedicaneWatch (medicane/TC stuff)
2023/2024 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):
29/11 (-6), 30/11 (-6), 02/12 (-5), 03/12 (-5), 04/12 (-3), 16/01 (-3), 18/01 (-8), 08/02 (-5)

Total: 8 days with snow/sleet falling.

2022/2023 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

18/12 (-1), 06/03 (-6), 08/03 (-8), 09/03 (-6), 10/03 (-8), 11/03 (-5), 14/03 (-6)

Total: 7 days with snow/sleet falling.

2021/2022 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

26/11 (-5), 27/11 (-7), 28/11 (-6), 02/12 (-6), 06/01 (-5), 07/01 (-6), 06/02 (-5), 19/02 (-5), 24/02 (-7), 30/03 (-7), 31/03 (-8), 01/04 (-8)
Total: 12 days with snow/sleet falling.
Russwirral
Wednesday, November 27, 2013 9:44:52 AM

Ill be keeping an eye out for where this feature ends up...


 


http://cdn.nwstatic.co.uk/gfsimages/gfs.20131127/00/240/h850t850eu.png


 


Its appearing on the GFS and to an extent the ECM (so a possitive level of agreement there then).  Plenty of wobble time.  On current analysis - would be a decent winter storm...


 


Lets see what the 0600 run makes of it....


Maunder Minimum
Wednesday, November 27, 2013 9:58:37 AM


My personal intepretation is at least 5 days of cold blocked weather, although with some frontal activity coming in from the atlantic. The PV is really damaged by 240, thanks to my bearing high; and spoiler lows are really struggling to develop over the warm air in canada. 


http://meteociel.fr/modeles/ecmwf/runs/2013112700/ECH100-240.GIF?27-12


Look at the anomolies over canada. Very warm in the north, and cold to the south indicating lows that form may be more prone to run under the block rather than through or over it. 


Originally Posted by: Quantum 


Quantum, I think this has been mentioned previously, but don't you mean Baring High?


Also, you can make the link clickable, if you paste it into the "chain" link above.


Cheers, MM


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The Beast from the East
Wednesday, November 27, 2013 10:27:21 AM

Some encouraging trends emerging


ECM ens showing a cooling trend but nothing spectacular, though we would do better out of any northerly than holland


http://www.knmi.nl/exp/pluim/vijftiendaagse/index.php


The control looks mad!


 


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Matty H
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Wednesday, November 27, 2013 10:37:15 AM

Good morning folks. Here is my account of how the weather models are shaping up on the next couple weeks prospects taken using the data from the midnight outputs on Tuesday November 27th 2013.


All models show a period of very slow changes in the weather over the UK for the next week or so. High pressure remains stubbornly close to SW England and the weather shows a milder and moister West flow across the UK now with widepread anticyclonic gloom and hill mist and drizzle at times. This weather will likely persist for the next 36 hours or so before brighter and fresher conditions chase the low cloud and murk away on Friday with sunshine and scattered showers wintry on hills in the North briefly. By the second half of the weekend the weather retrns milder and cloudy again as milder and moist air again rounds the Northern periphery of the High still close to the SW and down over the UK. The start of next week looks relatively mild and benign as the High finally starts to relax away SE while maintaining a UK ridge which maintains dry and quiet weather for most.


GFS then shows temporary injections of more unsettled weather starting midweek next week firstly over the North, extending to the South too at times. However, any one weather type remains short-lived as milder air quickly replaces any colder weather and there will be rain at times in the second half of the run although amounts in the South look small on this operational run as High pressure remains fairly close towards the SW or South for much of the time.


UKMO shows High pressure over the mid Alantic with a ridge all the way across the UK to Germany next Tuesday. The quiet and benign weather will still be well established next Tuesday with only a slight increase in the Westerly breeze across the North with perhaps a little light rain in the far North and NW. Temperatures would be relatively mild under relatively cloudy skies.


GEM today holds quiet and benign conditions right out to the end of next week now as High pressure clings on and only briefly looks like giving way at the very end of next week to a spell of rather colder and blustery NW winds with rain at times and some snow showers for a time on Northern and Eastern high ground before the likelihood of mild and damp weather returns to all over next weekend.


NAVGEM closes it's run with a slow deterioration in conditions through the middle of next week as weakening troughs move SE down over Britain with a little rain with the prospect of a phase of more active fronts and wind later in the week but never looking overly cold at any point.


ECM this morning shows fine weather still at the midweek point as High pressure clings on over Britain before a pulse of energy pushes a band of rain and colder weather SE over all areas late in the week before conditions gradually turn less cold but still unsettled in the North in time for the weekend while the South would probably become dry and rather cloudy again and less cold to end the run as High pressure is close by to the South.


The GFS Ensembles continue to show nothing threateningly cold and wintry over the next few weeks. True, there is a period when below average uppers look likely later next week but coming from the NW things could well become modified at the surface by the North Atlantic when crossing the UK to give no more than the threat of wintry showers for a time over Northern hills. There is then strong support for even this pattern to flatten out later as Westerly winds look favoured to take hold with rain at times, chiefly in the North and temperatures well up to average.


The Jet Stream flow remains stubbornly positioned to keep cold weather away from the UK for the reliable future with the main core of the flow well North of the UK. Later next week it does show signs of moving South towards crossing the UK rather than locations to the North but it's orientation remains poor for any sustained cold outbreaks with just transitory NW'lies the only likelihood of anything below average later next week.


In Summary the weather remains stubbornly locked into a High pressure based Winter pattern which provides days of anticyclonic gloom and benign weather. As the High shuffles about over the next 7 days there is some opportunity for clearer and cleaner air to flood South towards the weekend before this becomes displaced by Sunday by more of our current weather pattern lasting into the middle of next week. As on previous runs there is still evidence of a change to colder and more unsettled weather from the end of next week but this seems a lifetime away and if anything as been reined back this morning in it's spread and influence on this morning's output to just bring a day or two of colder air before the Atlantic bandwagon NW of the British Isles flattens the pattern to return milder air with rain at times, chiefly in the North.

Originally Posted by: GIBBY 





Thanks Martin. Always appreciated 😄
NickR
Wednesday, November 27, 2013 10:47:57 AM


Good morning folks. Here is my account of how the weather models are shaping up on the next couple weeks prospects taken using the data from the midnight outputs on Tuesday November 27th 2013.


All models show a period of very slow changes in the weather over the UK for the next week or so. High pressure remains stubbornly close to SW England and the weather shows a milder and moister West flow across the UK now with widepread anticyclonic gloom and hill mist and drizzle at times. This weather will likely persist for the next 36 hours or so before brighter and fresher conditions chase the low cloud and murk away on Friday with sunshine and scattered showers wintry on hills in the North briefly. By the second half of the weekend the weather retrns milder and cloudy again as milder and moist air again rounds the Northern periphery of the High still close to the SW and down over the UK. The start of next week looks relatively mild and benign as the High finally starts to relax away SE while maintaining a UK ridge which maintains dry and quiet weather for most.


GFS then shows temporary injections of more unsettled weather starting midweek next week firstly over the North, extending to the South too at times. However, any one weather type remains short-lived as milder air quickly replaces any colder weather and there will be rain at times in the second half of the run although amounts in the South look small on this operational run as High pressure remains fairly close towards the SW or South for much of the time.


UKMO shows High pressure over the mid Alantic with a ridge all the way across the UK to Germany next Tuesday. The quiet and benign weather will still be well established next Tuesday with only a slight increase in the Westerly breeze across the North with perhaps a little light rain in the far North and NW. Temperatures would be relatively mild under relatively cloudy skies.


GEM today holds quiet and benign conditions right out to the end of next week now as High pressure clings on and only briefly looks like giving way at the very end of next week to a spell of rather colder and blustery NW winds with rain at times and some snow showers for a time on Northern and Eastern high ground before the likelihood of mild and damp weather returns to all over next weekend.


NAVGEM closes it's run with a slow deterioration in conditions through the middle of next week as weakening troughs move SE down over Britain with a little rain with the prospect of a phase of more active fronts and wind later in the week but never looking overly cold at any point.


ECM this morning shows fine weather still at the midweek point as High pressure clings on over Britain before a pulse of energy pushes a band of rain and colder weather SE over all areas late in the week before conditions gradually turn less cold but still unsettled in the North in time for the weekend while the South would probably become dry and rather cloudy again and less cold to end the run as High pressure is close by to the South.


The GFS Ensembles continue to show nothing threateningly cold and wintry over the next few weeks. True, there is a period when below average uppers look likely later next week but coming from the NW things could well become modified at the surface by the North Atlantic when crossing the UK to give no more than the threat of wintry showers for a time over Northern hills. There is then strong support for even this pattern to flatten out later as Westerly winds look favoured to take hold with rain at times, chiefly in the North and temperatures well up to average.


The Jet Stream flow remains stubbornly positioned to keep cold weather away from the UK for the reliable future with the main core of the flow well North of the UK. Later next week it does show signs of moving South towards crossing the UK rather than locations to the North but it's orientation remains poor for any sustained cold outbreaks with just transitory NW'lies the only likelihood of anything below average later next week.


In Summary the weather remains stubbornly locked into a High pressure based Winter pattern which provides days of anticyclonic gloom and benign weather. As the High shuffles about over the next 7 days there is some opportunity for clearer and cleaner air to flood South towards the weekend before this becomes displaced by Sunday by more of our current weather pattern lasting into the middle of next week. As on previous runs there is still evidence of a change to colder and more unsettled weather from the end of next week but this seems a lifetime away and if anything as been reined back this morning in it's spread and influence on this morning's output to just bring a day or two of colder air before the Atlantic bandwagon NW of the British Isles flattens the pattern to return milder air with rain at times, chiefly in the North.


Originally Posted by: Matty H 





Thanks Martin. Always appreciated Smile

Originally Posted by: GIBBY 


Agreed.


In a weather-watching-world where it seems common for some people just to focus on certain conditions they like and then disappear for the rest of the time, the fact you plug away every day at producing useful, balanced model output discussion, with actual weather forecasts people can use is to your credit. Not that there's anything wrong with just "dipping in" for certain types of weather, of course, but consistent and objective forecasting and discussion is the bedrock of the thread. 


We're fortunate to have other several members too who post decent analysis whatever the conditions. You know who you are, and it is much appreciated.


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moomin75
Wednesday, November 27, 2013 10:55:49 AM

Hmmmm...with the usual caveats that it's the GFS, and it's the 6z run, the signals appear to be growing for a trend towards quite a potent cold snap coming up.


ECM not really on board with it (no surprise there), but if the 6z verified, all of us would see some of the white stuff within the next fortnight.


It's been a very consistent trend from GFS, and this one is at the more extreme end of things, so most likely an outlier.


But it's definitely a "trend" and also, there appears to be a trend for some WAA up into Greenland, pumping up a Greeny high in time.


Typically, the worst of the weather on the 6z is progged for the day AFTER I fly out to Australia - so that must mean it's nailed on!


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100m ASL
Rob K
Wednesday, November 27, 2013 11:00:26 AM


Quantum, I think this has been mentioned previously, but don't you mean Baring High?


Originally Posted by: Maunder Minimum 


Or even Bering High! A Baring High would be prone to collapse suddenly due to unfavourable conditions in Singapore.


Anyway...


I know it's a long time out to cherrypick charts but the 06Z GFS is the first op run I've seen to bring the -10C isotherm to London.


 


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rtavn2402.png


And this little feature running down the country could be nice if it happened...


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rtavn2521.png


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rtavn2641.png


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Jayni C
Wednesday, November 27, 2013 11:06:51 AM



Quantum, I think this has been mentioned previously, but don't you mean Baring High?


Originally Posted by: Rob K 


Or even Bering High! A Baring High would be prone to collapse suddenly due to unfavourable conditions in Singapore.


Anyway...


I know it's a long time out to cherrypick charts but the 06Z GFS is the first op run I've seen to bring the -10C isotherm to London.


 


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rtavn2402.png


And this little feature running down the country could be nice if it happened...


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rtavn2521.png


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rtavn2641.png


Originally Posted by: Maunder Minimum 


Rob, not sure if it's a system glich but you have posted the same chart 3 times, albeit under different timed links

GIBBY
Wednesday, November 27, 2013 11:11:10 AM

IMO despite some optimism this morning I can't see any excitement to be gained from the 10 day mean chart of ECM. High pressure to the SW means there is no way cold will last a day or two on that synopsis.


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Reem2401.gif


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Steve Murr
Wednesday, November 27, 2013 11:11:45 AM



 


The GFS Ensembles continue to show nothing threateningly cold and wintry over the next few weeks. True, there is a period when below average uppers look likely later next week but coming from the NW things could well become modified at the surface by the North Atlantic when crossing the UK to give no more than the threat of wintry showers for a time over Northern hills. There is then strong support for even this pattern to flatten out later as Westerly winds look favoured to take hold with rain at times, chiefly in the North and temperatures well up to average.


The Jet Stream flow remains stubbornly positioned to keep cold weather away from the UK for the reliable future with the main core of the flow well North of the UK. Later next week it does show signs of moving South towards crossing the UK rather than locations to the North but it's orientation remains poor for any sustained cold outbreaks with just transitory NW'lies the only likelihood of anything below average later next week.


In Summary the weather remains stubbornly locked into a High pressure based Winter pattern which provides days of anticyclonic gloom and benign weather. As the High shuffles about over the next 7 days there is some opportunity for clearer and cleaner air to flood South towards the weekend before this becomes displaced by Sunday by more of our current weather pattern lasting into the middle of next week. As on previous runs there is still evidence of a change to colder and more unsettled weather from the end of next week but this seems a lifetime away and if anything as been reined back this morning in it's spread and influence on this morning's output to just bring a day or two of colder air before the Atlantic bandwagon NW of the British Isles flattens the pattern to return milder air with rain at times, chiefly in the North.


Originally Posted by: NickR 





Thanks Martin. Always appreciated Smile

Originally Posted by: Matty H 


Agreed.


In a weather-watching-world where it seems common for some people just to focus on certain conditions they like and then disappear for the rest of the time, the fact you plug away every day at producing useful, balanced model output discussion, with actual weather forecasts people can use is to your credit. Not that there's anything wrong with just "dipping in" for certain types of weather, of course, but consistent and objective forecasting and discussion is the bedrock of the thread. 


We're fortunate to have other several members too who post decent analysis whatever the conditions. You know who you are, and it is much appreciated.


Originally Posted by: GIBBY 


 


I bet its nice being a moderator to be able to post subliminal personal digs to know they wont be deleted.


S

moomin75
Wednesday, November 27, 2013 11:12:45 AM

Really sorry Steve, it was not a dig at you. Apologies if you thought it was. It was referring to what you often say that the 6z is one of the less accurate runs, but certainly wasn't intended as a dig in any way. I think your posts are great, very clear and concise, and I always look forward to reading them.


It definitely has been a trend though hasn't it that there appears to be a cold snap creeping up on us?


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100m ASL
moomin75
Wednesday, November 27, 2013 11:14:17 AM


IMO despite some optimism this morning I can't see any excitement to be gained from the 10 day mean chart of ECM. High pressure to the SW means there is no way cold will last a day or two on that synopsis.


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Reem2401.gif


Originally Posted by: GIBBY 

Fair comment Martin, but an ECM ensemble at +240 hours is about as useful as a GFS one....It can, and probably will change.


ECM isn't all it's cracked up to be after the debacle from a week or so ago.


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100m ASL
idj20
Wednesday, November 27, 2013 11:14:38 AM



Good morning folks. Here is my account of how the weather models are shaping up on the next couple weeks prospects taken using the data from the midnight outputs on Tuesday November 27th 2013.


All models show a period of very slow changes in the weather over the UK for the next week or so. High pressure remains stubbornly close to SW England and the weather shows a milder and moister West flow across the UK now with widepread anticyclonic gloom and hill mist and drizzle at times. This weather will likely persist for the next 36 hours or so before brighter and fresher conditions chase the low cloud and murk away on Friday with sunshine and scattered showers wintry on hills in the North briefly. By the second half of the weekend the weather retrns milder and cloudy again as milder and moist air again rounds the Northern periphery of the High still close to the SW and down over the UK. The start of next week looks relatively mild and benign as the High finally starts to relax away SE while maintaining a UK ridge which maintains dry and quiet weather for most.


GFS then shows temporary injections of more unsettled weather starting midweek next week firstly over the North, extending to the South too at times. However, any one weather type remains short-lived as milder air quickly replaces any colder weather and there will be rain at times in the second half of the run although amounts in the South look small on this operational run as High pressure remains fairly close towards the SW or South for much of the time.


UKMO shows High pressure over the mid Alantic with a ridge all the way across the UK to Germany next Tuesday. The quiet and benign weather will still be well established next Tuesday with only a slight increase in the Westerly breeze across the North with perhaps a little light rain in the far North and NW. Temperatures would be relatively mild under relatively cloudy skies.


GEM today holds quiet and benign conditions right out to the end of next week now as High pressure clings on and only briefly looks like giving way at the very end of next week to a spell of rather colder and blustery NW winds with rain at times and some snow showers for a time on Northern and Eastern high ground before the likelihood of mild and damp weather returns to all over next weekend.


NAVGEM closes it's run with a slow deterioration in conditions through the middle of next week as weakening troughs move SE down over Britain with a little rain with the prospect of a phase of more active fronts and wind later in the week but never looking overly cold at any point.


ECM this morning shows fine weather still at the midweek point as High pressure clings on over Britain before a pulse of energy pushes a band of rain and colder weather SE over all areas late in the week before conditions gradually turn less cold but still unsettled in the North in time for the weekend while the South would probably become dry and rather cloudy again and less cold to end the run as High pressure is close by to the South.


The GFS Ensembles continue to show nothing threateningly cold and wintry over the next few weeks. True, there is a period when below average uppers look likely later next week but coming from the NW things could well become modified at the surface by the North Atlantic when crossing the UK to give no more than the threat of wintry showers for a time over Northern hills. There is then strong support for even this pattern to flatten out later as Westerly winds look favoured to take hold with rain at times, chiefly in the North and temperatures well up to average.


The Jet Stream flow remains stubbornly positioned to keep cold weather away from the UK for the reliable future with the main core of the flow well North of the UK. Later next week it does show signs of moving South towards crossing the UK rather than locations to the North but it's orientation remains poor for any sustained cold outbreaks with just transitory NW'lies the only likelihood of anything below average later next week.


In Summary the weather remains stubbornly locked into a High pressure based Winter pattern which provides days of anticyclonic gloom and benign weather. As the High shuffles about over the next 7 days there is some opportunity for clearer and cleaner air to flood South towards the weekend before this becomes displaced by Sunday by more of our current weather pattern lasting into the middle of next week. As on previous runs there is still evidence of a change to colder and more unsettled weather from the end of next week but this seems a lifetime away and if anything as been reined back this morning in it's spread and influence on this morning's output to just bring a day or two of colder air before the Atlantic bandwagon NW of the British Isles flattens the pattern to return milder air with rain at times, chiefly in the North.


Originally Posted by: NickR 





Thanks Martin. Always appreciated Smile

Originally Posted by: Matty H 


Agreed.


In a weather-watching-world where it seems common for some people just to focus on certain conditions they like and then disappear for the rest of the time, the fact you plug away every day at producing useful, balanced model output discussion, with actual weather forecasts people can use is to your credit. Not that there's anything wrong with just "dipping in" for certain types of weather, of course, but consistent and objective forecasting and discussion is the bedrock of the thread. 


We're fortunate to have other several members too who post decent analysis whatever the conditions. You know who you are, and it is much appreciated.


Originally Posted by: GIBBY 



Hear hear, I third that one. I do sometimes feel that this "cherry picking" effect does detract from the main focus, along with hyping up an already hyped up public - unless you're in the agriculture sector.
   It's not just in here, I get to see all that happening in facebook There's nothing wrong in the "thrill of the chase" and trying to be the first person to spot that real cold spell but I'm getting the impression that it's becoming a bit of an obsession for a few of us. I'll get excited over snowy prospects when it all slips into the 48 hours time frame.
  Sorry I'm not adding much to this thread by me forwarding this post as well as coming up with all that, but it had to be said.


Folkestone Harbour. 
Rob K
Wednesday, November 27, 2013 11:16:15 AM


Rob, not sure if it's a system glich but you have posted the same chart 3 times, albeit under different timed links


Originally Posted by: Jayni C 


Oops. Should be fixed now.


Yateley, NE Hampshire, 73m asl
"But who wants to be foretold the weather? It is bad enough when it comes, without our having the misery of knowing about it beforehand." — Jerome K. Jerome
NickR
Wednesday, November 27, 2013 11:18:49 AM




 


The GFS Ensembles continue to show nothing threateningly cold and wintry over the next few weeks. True, there is a period when below average uppers look likely later next week but coming from the NW things could well become modified at the surface by the North Atlantic when crossing the UK to give no more than the threat of wintry showers for a time over Northern hills. There is then strong support for even this pattern to flatten out later as Westerly winds look favoured to take hold with rain at times, chiefly in the North and temperatures well up to average.


The Jet Stream flow remains stubbornly positioned to keep cold weather away from the UK for the reliable future with the main core of the flow well North of the UK. Later next week it does show signs of moving South towards crossing the UK rather than locations to the North but it's orientation remains poor for any sustained cold outbreaks with just transitory NW'lies the only likelihood of anything below average later next week.


In Summary the weather remains stubbornly locked into a High pressure based Winter pattern which provides days of anticyclonic gloom and benign weather. As the High shuffles about over the next 7 days there is some opportunity for clearer and cleaner air to flood South towards the weekend before this becomes displaced by Sunday by more of our current weather pattern lasting into the middle of next week. As on previous runs there is still evidence of a change to colder and more unsettled weather from the end of next week but this seems a lifetime away and if anything as been reined back this morning in it's spread and influence on this morning's output to just bring a day or two of colder air before the Atlantic bandwagon NW of the British Isles flattens the pattern to return milder air with rain at times, chiefly in the North.


Originally Posted by: Steve Murr 





Thanks Martin. Always appreciated Smile

Originally Posted by: NickR 


Agreed.


In a weather-watching-world where it seems common for some people just to focus on certain conditions they like and then disappear for the rest of the time, the fact you plug away every day at producing useful, balanced model output discussion, with actual weather forecasts people can use is to your credit. Not that there's anything wrong with just "dipping in" for certain types of weather, of course, but consistent and objective forecasting and discussion is the bedrock of the thread. 


We're fortunate to have other several members too who post decent analysis whatever the conditions. You know who you are, and it is much appreciated.


Originally Posted by: Matty H 


 


I bet its nice being a moderator to be able to post subliminal personal digs to know they wont be deleted.


S


Originally Posted by: GIBBY 



Not sure what you're on about, S. 


No digs at anyone, subliminal or otherwise. Like I said: nothing wrong with "dipping in" or focusing on certain types of weather, but, likewise, Gibby's constant toil is much appreciated, and from time to time it's nice to mention that. If anyone takes my post personally, then I can only think it's because it's touched a nerve somewhere. Genuinely no intention to do so on my part.


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Gooner
Wednesday, November 27, 2013 11:20:23 AM

http://modeles.meteociel.fr/modeles/gfs/runs/2013112706/gfsnh-1-240.png?6


GFS keen on increasing teh cold


Remember anything after T120 is really Just For Fun



Marcus
Banbury
North Oxfordshire
378 feet A S L


Gooner
Wednesday, November 27, 2013 11:23:51 AM

http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rtavn21617.png


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rtavn24017.png


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rtavn27617.png


Ice days if verified, probably on the cold side of the runs I should imagine


Remember anything after T120 is really Just For Fun



Marcus
Banbury
North Oxfordshire
378 feet A S L


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