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AIMSIR
24 January 2014 01:10:59


Anyone got any thoughts on the fax 120?.


Everything seems to be going West or South?.


Link below.


http://cdn.nwstatic.co.uk/fax/PPVO89.png


Originally Posted by: doctor snow 



Looks like that low being pushed back west and south to me

Originally Posted by: AIMSIR 

I don't think it's being pushed west.


.but it is nice to see there is a chance of it's predecessor breaking in two and heading a bit further south,for a change.


Do we also see a chance of the Scandi high meeting the Greenland high?.


Mabey?.

Retron
24 January 2014 04:04:49
The ECM operational last night shows most areas north of the M4 (and some to the south, ie my part of Kent) seeing snow falling by 120. By 240 every bit of the UK except the southewesternmost bit of Cornwall is shown to have seen snow falling. The associated snow depth chart at 240 shows a cover across all areas except SW Conrwall and easternmost Kent.

Of course, it won't happen exactly like that but it shows that the 12z ECM did in fact bring snow for most of us.

Let's see if this morning's run will do the same - I'm off work today and will look at the charts when they appear around 11 o'clock.


Leysdown, north Kent
Retron
24 January 2014 04:13:12


ECM 32 day update is crap unfortunately.


Originally Posted by: jan1987blizzard 


The control isn't though - it shows a succession of lows stallling and sinking south or southeast over the UK with several easterly or NE'ly shots and marginal conditions for snow for much of the time. There's also a period towatds the end when a ridge builds from the east, which would settle things down (and continue the generally cold theme) were it to happen.


The ECM-32 also shows a 10-day long cold spell for Glasgow, starting on the 26th.


I hope this "ECM 32 day update is crap" comment isn't relating to someone abusing mean charts!


Leysdown, north Kent
Sevendust
24 January 2014 05:27:52



ECM 32 day update is crap unfortunately.


Originally Posted by: Retron 


The control isn't though - it shows a succession of lows stallling and sinking south or southeast over the UK with several easterly or NE'ly shots and marginal conditions for snow for much of the time. There's also a period towatds the end when a ridge builds from the east, which would settle things down (and continue the generally cold theme) were it to happen.


The ECM-32 also shows a 10-day long cold spell for Glasgow, starting on the 26th.


I hope this "ECM 32 day update is crap" comment isn't relating to someone abusing mean charts!


Originally Posted by: jan1987blizzard 


It's as good as its been all winter in terms of cold synoptics.


The fact that may be a lot of marginality around makes it all the more interesting.


Last nights metofax T120 looked very promising for my area given the close proximity of the 528 dam line.


Anyone seen YD btw?


 


 

Retron
24 January 2014 05:31:43


It's as good as its been all winter in terms of cold synoptics.


The fact that may be a lot of marginality around makes it all the more interesting.


Originally Posted by: Sevendust 


Indeed, aside from the (very rare in recent times) lake-effect scenario caused by negative double-digit 850s on the east coast, the heaviest snow often comes from marginal situations. The unpredictability of those just adds to the interest!


The 0z GEFS maintain the cold theme out to 180, with a 60% snow risk appearing down here - highest of the winter so far, but as it's associated with a departing fromt on Sunday night I doubt it's the sort of risk that'd lead to a covering. Still, for those who are yet to see snowflakes it's a promising outlook.


 


Leysdown, north Kent
Karl Guille
24 January 2014 06:31:56
Very interesting Op run from GEM this morning as by T144 the Scandi High pokes its nose out into the Atlantic sufficiently enough to tempt the incoming low to divert some pf its energy S/E across the English Channel and re-invigorate our easterly flow out into the T216-240 period! An interesting development and one certainly to keep an eye on for chances of prolonged cold.
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KevBrads1
24 January 2014 06:54:26
The mean 240hr GFS 500hpa chart is interesting, instead of the classic Icelandic low and WSWly flow over the UK, it has a saggy low, angled NW to SE with hints of undercutting.

Says to me, perhaps the Atlantic isn't going to simply blast through

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Weathermac
24 January 2014 08:08:33
The rain on the radar appears to be sliding away SE .Is the High starting to assert itself ?
Andy Woodcock
24 January 2014 08:19:06
Big upgrade in the model output this morning.

Very good MetO run up to 144 and an interesting ECM beyond that as throughs are disrupted and the Atlantic doesn't crash through.

Plenty of rain sleet and snow to come but for the first time this winter the outlook is interesting within the reliable timeframe.

A few folk are going to get a good dumping next week and at the moment I would say the Midland Wales and East Anglia look best placed.

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Retron
24 January 2014 08:24:57

0z ECM ensembles for Reading - firming up on the details now, with much less scatter than last night.


http://oi43.tinypic.com/21n2o7p.jpg




The median remains the same from Wednesday onwards, showing a cold spell (as opposed to snap) on the way.


Of note is the way the control dumps a good 8 inches of snow on Reading next weekend - not supported by the others though!


(Edit: stupid HTML editor!)


Leysdown, north Kent
roger63
24 January 2014 08:34:40

Outlook for Sunday to Tuesday:


Wet and windy on Sunday. Colder thereafter, with showers or longer spells of rain, much of this turning increasingly wintry, particularly across northeastern parts. Staying windy across most areas.


Updated: 0308 on Fri 24 Jan 2014


METO confirming cooldown.

The Beast from the East
24 January 2014 08:38:12

Very impressive EC ens. Of course, it could still go all pete tong if the jet and polar profile and upstream pattern is wrong. At the moment the models want to slide the incoming troughs from the NW to SE across or just west of the UK which is great. but its a dangerous route to cold. if the slide happens a few hundred miles further east, then we are left bridesmaids again whilst Europe gets the wedding cake


 


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Gooner
24 January 2014 08:45:37

The rain on the radar appears to be sliding away SE .Is the High starting to assert itself ?

Originally Posted by: Weathermac 


Yes I have noticed that , it was supposed to be across us


Remember anything after T120 is really Just For Fun



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some faraway beach
24 January 2014 08:47:48


0z ECM ensembles for Reading - firming up on the details now, with much less scatter than last night.


http://oi43.tinypic.com/21n2o7p.jpg




The median remains the same from Wednesday onwards, showing a cold spell (as opposed to snap) on the way.


Of note is the way the control dumps a good 8 inches of snow on Reading next weekend - not supported by the others though!


(Edit: stupid HTML editor!)


Originally Posted by: Retron 


Yes, Impressive how tightly clustered the central 80% of the runs are on the 2m temperature graph all the way through the coming week. Real confidence of a cool down throughout the ECM ensemble in other words.


2 miles west of Taunton, 32 m asl, where "milder air moving in from the west" becomes SNOWMAGEDDON.
Well, two or three times a decade it does, anyway.
Girthmeister
24 January 2014 08:53:19
Yes, the rain looks to be a bit further West, and fizzling, and the MO forecast (automated, I know) have updated to show less precipitation in CS England.... come hither, high pressure....
GIBBY
24 January 2014 09:03:27

Good morning folks. Here is the report on the midnight outputs from the big 5 weather models for today Friday January 24th 2014 lifted from my website at http://www.norton-radstockweather.co.uk/Model-Analysis(2859336).htm


All models show a distinctly disturbed pattern as we move through the next 5-6 days with Low pressure slipping slowly down over the UK early next week to lie close to Southern Britain by midweek. I can more definitively confirm too this morning that it is going to turn colder across all areas next week allowing some of the rain to turn to sleet and snow, principally but not exclusively towards the North and East. Much of the rain and snow will be showery though a prolonged spell of heavy rain is likely to sweep East on Sunday with strong Westerly winds early in the week swing easterly by midweek over all areas except Southernmost Britain.


GFS then shows a brief respite in the wind, rain and snow later next week with frost at night for a time before further unsettled and chilly weather with rain at times and snow on hills return from next weekend onward to the end of the run with further snow at times on Northern hills.


The GFS Ensembles this morning show a period of colder weather on the way if not desperately so. Nevertheless with unsettled conditions continuing throughout there is plenty more distressing levels of rain shown at times with certainly some snowfall over the higher ground in particular before a trend towards more average temperatures but still unsettled weather is shown towards the end of the run.


UKMO today shows a cold Easterly flow across the UK through the middle section of next week with Low pressure just to the South. Outbreaks of rain across the UK will fall as snow in places with some accumulation possible over the hills, more especially but not exclusively in the North and East.


GEM today shows increasingly cold and wintry conditions next week with further spells of rain turning to snow giving some accumulations of snow at times, even in the South as cold Easterly winds undercut advancing Low pressure towards the SW of the UK.


NAVGEM shows the colder weather midweek with rain and snow clearing away South to be followed by a return to milder westerly winds and rain at times by the end of next week.


ECM shows an altogether colder feed of air across the UK as the North Sea trough backs West. the net result is a colder spell to come with spells of rain still bothering in amount at times across the South and West. In addition with colder air making deeper inroads into the UK from both the East and NW at times the trend towards rain turning to snow in places next week is an increasing one even in the South.


The ECM 9 and 10 Day Mean Charts show that the trough that has been shown down the North Sea, too far away from the UK to receive anything cold from the East pulled back West by 200 miles or so over the last day or so to lie down across the UK and on SE into Europe. This has increased the risk of cold weather developing widely across Northern and Eastern areas later next week with snow at times and with Low pressure areas expected to continue to slide SE down across the SW of the UK then some of this could extend to Southern and western areas too at times. The charts also indicate that there is unlikely to be much relief from flooding issues either with pressure values circa 1000mbs or less.


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Reem2161.gif
http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Reem2401.gif


The Jet Stream is currently undergoing it's strengthening across the Atlantic, turning South to the West of the UK and then turning East across Europe. The flow diverted South to the West of the UK rather than over the UK (shown in recent days) is as a net result of colder conditions from Europe making more inroads into UK air space.


In Summary this morning I can easily declare this to be my most wintry report so far this Winter. With a shift West of the trough which has recently been lying down the North Sea recently looks like it is going to lie across the UK later next week. As a result the UK rather than the North Sea becomes the battleground for Low pressure areas bumping into the cold block to the East with cold air allowed to undercut from the East, all this following a Low pressure sinking South away from Southern Britain midweek with it's own mixture of rain and snow to get rid of. Snowfall will be most coherent across the North and East especially over the hills with rain rather than snow still most likely towards the SW. However, this remains unwelcome news as there remains little prospect of anything other than misery for quite a while yet for those flood stricken areas of my area in the SW with so much more precipitation of any form likely.


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idj20
24 January 2014 09:05:16

Yes, the rain looks to be a bit further West, and fizzling, and the MO forecast (automated, I know) have updated to show less precipitation in CS England.... come hither, high pressure....

Originally Posted by: Girthmeister 



I think that may be a leading decaying occluded front coming up against that high pressure but then another warm or occluded front should break through as planned later on today.

Anyway, sorry for steering this off topic. But yes, next week has some interest even though it looks all chaotic and messy, seems a lot of hard work trying to pick at it. I'll wait until we are going through the rough and tumble stuff over the weekend and then tackle next week when we get into it. Probably still won't be any wiser for it!


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24 January 2014 09:08:29

Yes, the rain looks to be a bit further West, and fizzling, and the MO forecast (automated, I know) have updated to show less precipitation in CS England.... come hither, high pressure....

Originally Posted by: Girthmeister 



We live in west Worcestershire and it should be raining heavily by now, according to the most recent forecasts. Instead, it is still dry and with a SE wind - perhaps the HP to our NE is exerting its influence - will be interesting to see how this develops.

Edit - just looked at the satellite sequence - I would say the front is shearing against the HP - could end up with complete trough disruption. Interesting to watch.
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roger63
24 January 2014 09:09:04

GFS 0h op shows a very short cold snap.


However ENS are more encouraging with a lot showing development  of asecond sliding LKP  northern blocking.


Here is the easterly flow count for next week 


 


96h (Mon) 5%


120h (Tue) 50%


144h (Wed) 90%


168h (thu) 55%


192h (fri) 55%


216h (sat) 60%


240h (sun) 60%


So slight majority for a longer cold spell.


 

ARTzeman
24 January 2014 09:19:15

Thank  you Martin for your output.


Shame about the S.W. more likely to have rain rather than white stuff ..Will hope it happens for T120..


Mr Ian Fergusson on twitter site 1 Min ago saying  Monday's cold spell "snow/ice possible across the parts of the region...






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GIBBY
24 January 2014 09:22:26


Thank  you Martin for your output.


Shame about the S.W. more likely to have rain rather than white stuff ..Will hoe it happens for T120..


Mr Ian Fergusson on twitter site 1 Min ago saying "snow/ice possible across the parts of the region...


Originally Posted by: ARTzeman 


 


Yes I wouldn't disagree with that. Our area is going to be borderline with snow and ice a feature more especially over the higher ground of our area. However, be it rain or snow next week no precipitation is good news for our parts at this time.


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Whiteout
24 January 2014 09:23:42

Good tweet that from Ian, must be a change in the outlook today


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vince
24 January 2014 09:30:27


Good tweet that from Ian, must be a change in the outlook today


Originally Posted by: Whiteout 


 


Indeed, its all going a bit wrong , I reckon this cold spell is going to arrive a lot quicker than though ,given the way the todays rain is sheering off  SE wards  . I need one good short spell of a freeze up ,Its good for the soil i'm told :-)

24 January 2014 09:58:32


Good tweet that from Ian, must be a change in the outlook today


Originally Posted by: vince 


 


Indeed, its all going a bit wrong , I reckon this cold spell is going to arrive a lot quicker than though ,given the way the todays rain is sheering off  SE wards  . I need one good short spell of a freeze up ,Its good for the soil i'm told :-)

Originally Posted by: Whiteout 



Hi, its essential for the soil, especially farmland/allotments etc, soil gets severely compacted over the year, its usually double dug and when the hard frost gets into it it draws out moisture and as well as breaking the soil up, it releases important nutrients that then get washed back into the the soil but redistributed... Also, nearly all plant life needs a deep frost to "flick a switch" which completes the wintering and re awakens certain plant houskeeping processes. ...
This is Essential for a seeds first winter... not completely critical for trees/shrubs
The Beast from the East
24 January 2014 10:14:51

block should hold better


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