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Whether Idle
25 January 2014 18:58:09


Ends as a cool soggy mess of fronts and troughs. 


http://www.meteociel.fr/modeles/ecmwf.php?ech=240&mode=1&map=1&archive=0


On further inspection as APS says, not so bad, these charts are not far from glory, check the ensembles later...


Dover, 5m asl. Half a mile from the south coast.
Gooner
25 January 2014 18:59:32


I cannot get that opptimistic......sorry


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Marcus
Banbury
North Oxfordshire
378 feet A S L


Ally Pally Snowman
25 January 2014 19:02:28

I cannot get that opptimistic......sorry



Steve Murr saying this is a snowfest even for the south east. Also states the whole run is snowy. Who are we to argue with the Murr.


Bishop's Stortford 85m ASL.
Whether Idle
25 January 2014 19:02:52



http://www.meteociel.fr/modeles/ecmwf.php?ech=216&mode=1&map=1&archive=0  Slidertastic! In the context of this winter a stunning chart for cold fans in N and E Britain. Wet for the SW though, nevermind, its FI!

Originally Posted by: Hade Edge Snowman 

Stunning meaning cool and wet? 😝

Originally Posted by: Whether Idle 


Dripping wet but notherners with elevation should do well.  (Adds obligatory gesture in reponse)


Originally Posted by: doctormog 


That'll be me then WI, hopefully......


Originally Posted by: Whether Idle 


Blimey, What a great altitude YOU have! 


Seriously, you are in pole position here for habitable Britain in this set up!


Dover, 5m asl. Half a mile from the south coast.
Hade Edge Snowman
25 January 2014 19:06:41




http://www.meteociel.fr/modeles/ecmwf.php?ech=216&mode=1&map=1&archive=0  Slidertastic! In the context of this winter a stunning chart for cold fans in N and E Britain. Wet for the SW though, nevermind, its FI!

Originally Posted by: Whether Idle 

Stunning meaning cool and wet? 😝

Originally Posted by: Hade Edge Snowman 


Dripping wet but notherners with elevation should do well.  (Adds obligatory gesture in reponse)


Originally Posted by: Whether Idle 


That'll be me then WI, hopefully......


Originally Posted by: doctormog 


Blimey, What a great altitude YOU have! 


Seriously, you are in pole position here for habitable Britain in this set up!


Originally Posted by: Whether Idle 



Hade Edge Snowman
West Yorkshire
1060 feet/323 metres ASL
Whether Idle
25 January 2014 19:08:49





http://www.meteociel.fr/modeles/ecmwf.php?ech=216&mode=1&map=1&archive=0  Slidertastic! In the context of this winter a stunning chart for cold fans in N and E Britain. Wet for the SW though, nevermind, its FI!

Originally Posted by: Hade Edge Snowman 

Stunning meaning cool and wet? 😝

Originally Posted by: Whether Idle 


Dripping wet but notherners with elevation should do well.  (Adds obligatory gesture in reponse)


Originally Posted by: Hade Edge Snowman 


That'll be me then WI, hopefully......


Originally Posted by: Whether Idle 


Blimey, What a great altitude YOU have! 


Seriously, you are in pole position here for habitable Britain in this set up!


Originally Posted by: doctormog 



Originally Posted by: Whether Idle 


Yep, some serious snow for the Pennines if these charts come to fruition.  Stock up NOW.


Dover, 5m asl. Half a mile from the south coast.
Ally Pally Snowman
25 January 2014 19:09:17
I'm pretty sure this chart shows a snow event for the east of England. It's marginal but our best events are always marginal.

http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Recm2402.html 
Bishop's Stortford 85m ASL.
Gooner
25 January 2014 19:13:19
I cannot get that opptimistic......sorry

Steve Murr saying this is a snowfest even for the south east. Also states the whole run is snowy. Who are we to argue with the Murr.



Snowfest?, as you know I love the cold and snow but I just don't see what Steve is saying, of course we will never know as it won't happen that way


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Marcus
Banbury
North Oxfordshire
378 feet A S L


Hade Edge Snowman
25 January 2014 19:14:34






http://www.meteociel.fr/modeles/ecmwf.php?ech=216&mode=1&map=1&archive=0  Slidertastic! In the context of this winter a stunning chart for cold fans in N and E Britain. Wet for the SW though, nevermind, its FI!

Originally Posted by: Whether Idle 

Stunning meaning cool and wet? 😝

Originally Posted by: Hade Edge Snowman 


Dripping wet but notherners with elevation should do well.  (Adds obligatory gesture in reponse)


Originally Posted by: Whether Idle 


That'll be me then WI, hopefully......


Originally Posted by: Hade Edge Snowman 


Blimey, What a great altitude YOU have! 


Seriously, you are in pole position here for habitable Britain in this set up!


Originally Posted by: Whether Idle 



Originally Posted by: doctormog 


Yep, some serious snow for the Pennines if these charts come to fruition.  Stock up NOW.


Originally Posted by: Whether Idle 


As ever, its IF! Feeling confident about this though........


Hade Edge Snowman
West Yorkshire
1060 feet/323 metres ASL
Ally Pally Snowman
25 January 2014 19:18:21
I cannot get that opptimistic......sorry

Steve Murr saying this is a snowfest even for the south east. Also states the whole run is snowy. Who are we to argue with the Murr.


UserPostedImage
Snowfest, as you know I love the cold and snow but I just don't see what Steve is saying, of course we will never know as it won't happen that way



My view is that the whole run is very marginal but it could be snowy. Uppers often around -5 in low pressure it won't have to upgrade much for it to be a snowmageddon

Bishop's Stortford 85m ASL.
nsrobins
25 January 2014 19:24:48

Many places seeing something in the way of snowfall Thursday, thereafter it's uncertain but upgrades in terms of snowfall still on the table.


Having said that, the MetO extended still looks feasible in terms of a return of the Atlantic influence, albeit cool polar maritime.


Neil
Fareham, Hampshire 28m ASL (near estuary)
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Gusty
25 January 2014 19:51:26

Nice bit of continental undercutting turns things from wet to white. 


http://modeles2.meteociel.fr/modeles_gfs/runs/2014012512/96-779UK.GIF?25-12


 


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jondg14
25 January 2014 20:22:03

Nice bit of continental undercutting turns things from wet to white.UserPostedImage
http://modeles2.meteociel.fr/modeles_gfs/runs/2014012512/96-779UK.GIF?25-12 

Originally Posted by: Gusty 



http://www.weatheronline.co.uk/cgi-bin/expertcharts?LANG=en&MENU=0000000000&CONT=ukuk&MODELL=euro4&MODELLTYP=1&BASE=-&VAR=prty&HH=36&ZOOM=0&ARCHIV=0&RES=0&WMO=&PERIOD= 

Yes never mind the long term conjecture there is some interest in the shorter term
GIBBY
25 January 2014 20:38:38

Good evening. Here is the report on the midday outputs from the NWP for today Saturday January 25th 2014 taken from my website at http://www.norton-radstockweather.co.uk/Model-Analysis(2859336).htm


All models show Low pressure crossing the Atlantic sending a set of troughs quickly East across the UK later tonight and tomorrow with wind and rain sweeping East, heavy at times and giving rise to further flooding problems tomorrow. Through the afternoon and behind the cold front skies will brighten with squally showers of rain and hail likely with thunder in places and sleet or snow over the hills tomorrow night. through the early days of the week the parent Low responsible for the wind and wintry showers sinks South over the UK and away to the South by midweek with the outbreaks of rain and wintry showers clearing away South soon after midweek.


GFS then shows unsettled weather returning from the NW with Westerly winds with rain at times being the order of the day with snow at times over the hills of the North as temperatures only recover slowly from the rather cold levels that will be present this coming week. Late in the run the disturbed weather remains to be shown courtesy of deep Low pressure to the NW with strong SW winds and rain at times and average temperatures for early February.


The GFS Ensembles tonight show a short rather colder spell through the early and middle part of the coming week before temperatures recover to more average levels. The weather remains unsettled throughout with rain or snow at times through this week and strong winds and rain at times through week 2.


UKMO has a new Low pressure up to the NW of the UK next Friday with strengthening West or SW winds with rain sweeping East again over the UK preceded by snow for some places in the East for a time.


GEM also shows the Atlantic winding up again later next week as Low pressure moves in towards the NW of Britain with less cold and windy weather with rain at times and snow over the hills of the North in the showery spells between the rain bands.


NAVGEM keeps Low pressure areas slipping SE over the UK later next week maintaining rather chilly and unsettled weather over the UK with mostly NW winds and rain followed by wintry showers the most likely sequence of events.


ECM tonight also shows an altogether milder outlook from later next week as Low pressure begins to take a more Northerly route as the block over Europe collapses. The weather will remain no less wet with further spells of rain and very breezy conditions returning after a short drier interlude soon after midweek.


The ECM 9 and 10 Day Mean Charts show a trend towards a much shallower circulation over the UK around Low pressure to the NW. With a bias towards a windflow from the South or SW this is at last a departure from a UK or North Sea based trough and I would suggest that with a switch of winds from a NW bias to that shown is indicative of a rather less cold and still unsettled pattern looking likely.


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Reem2161.gif
http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Reem2401.gif 


The GFS Jet Stream Forecast shows a strong flow across the Atlantic and Southern Europe. The general strength of the flow remains unchanged with the basic proximity of the flow remaining close to the UK throughout the period and occasionally to the South.


In Summary tonight the weather has stepped back from the predicted cold of yesterday to something much less wintry again with Low pressure off a volatile Atlantic continuing to pile drive Low pressure areas in towards the British Isles from the NW and west. With the block to the East now showing signs of collapse the door is opened for more progressive Atlantic wind and rain bands to cross over and away to the East of the UK with temperatures slowly recovering to average values later.


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Gusty
25 January 2014 20:45:36


Indeed John. 


There appears to be a lot to keep an eye on. Early Monday, Wednesday, Thursday and Friday all have snow potential of sorts. Even the GFS 12z is not without interest for next Sunday too.  


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Hungry Tiger
25 January 2014 21:06:04


Good evening. Here is the report on the midday outputs from the NWP for today Saturday January 25th 2014 taken from my website at http://www.norton-radstockweather.co.uk/Model-Analysis(2859336).htm


All models show Low pressure crossing the Atlantic sending a set of troughs quickly East across the UK later tonight and tomorrow with wind and rain sweeping East, heavy at times and giving rise to further flooding problems tomorrow. Through the afternoon and behind the cold front skies will brighten with squally showers of rain and hail likely with thunder in places and sleet or snow over the hills tomorrow night. through the early days of the week the parent Low responsible for the wind and wintry showers sinks South over the UK and away to the South by midweek with the outbreaks of rain and wintry showers clearing away South soon after midweek.


GFS then shows unsettled weather returning from the NW with Westerly winds with rain at times being the order of the day with snow at times over the hills of the North as temperatures only recover slowly from the rather cold levels that will be present this coming week. Late in the run the disturbed weather remains to be shown courtesy of deep Low pressure to the NW with strong SW winds and rain at times and average temperatures for early February.


The GFS Ensembles tonight show a short rather colder spell through the early and middle part of the coming week before temperatures recover to more average levels. The weather remains unsettled throughout with rain or snow at times through this week and strong winds and rain at times through week 2.


UKMO has a new Low pressure up to the NW of the UK next Friday with strengthening West or SW winds with rain sweeping East again over the UK preceded by snow for some places in the East for a time.


GEM also shows the Atlantic winding up again later next week as Low pressure moves in towards the NW of Britain with less cold and windy weather with rain at times and snow over the hills of the North in the showery spells between the rain bands.


NAVGEM keeps Low pressure areas slipping SE over the UK later next week maintaining rather chilly and unsettled weather over the UK with mostly NW winds and rain followed by wintry showers the most likely sequence of events.


ECM tonight also shows an altogether milder outlook from later next week as Low pressure begins to take a more Northerly route as the block over Europe collapses. The weather will remain no less wet with further spells of rain and very breezy conditions returning after a short drier interlude soon after midweek.


The ECM 9 and 10 Day Mean Charts show a trend towards a much shallower circulation over the UK around Low pressure to the NW. With a bias towards a windflow from the South or SW this is at last a departure from a UK or North Sea based trough and I would suggest that with a switch of winds from a NW bias to that shown is indicative of a rather less cold and still unsettled pattern looking likely.


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Reem2161.gif
http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Reem2401.gif 


The GFS Jet Stream Forecast shows a strong flow across the Atlantic and Southern Europe. The general strength of the flow remains unchanged with the basic proximity of the flow remaining close to the UK throughout the period and occasionally to the South.


In Summary tonight the weather has stepped back from the predicted cold of yesterday to something much less wintry again with Low pressure off a volatile Atlantic continuing to pile drive Low pressure areas in towards the British Isles from the NW and west. With the block to the East now showing signs of collapse the door is opened for more progressive Atlantic wind and rain bands to cross over and away to the East of the UK with temperatures slowly recovering to average values later.


Originally Posted by: GIBBY 


It's not surprising really.  


 


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Stormchaser
25 January 2014 21:29:05

http://expert-images.weatheronline.co.uk/daten/proficharts/en/euro4/2014/01/25/basis12/ukuk/weas/14012706_2512.gif


The Reading snow island? 


Of course that's just based on a few heavier showers being modelled in that exact location. In reality they could occur anywhere around there, and maybe be more widespread.


Even if only a slight morning accumulation melting by the afternoon was the outcome, it would make for a nice change 


 


Longer term, lots of faffing around from the models and plenty of incoming disturbances to deal with, each and every one of them with the potential to become sliding features. Hopefully they will correct SW from the current model output. Even UKMO, with it's dartboard low, is still showing a progression of energy to the SE on day 6, so that trough would probably drop down through the UK.


 


Further precipitation amount concerns of course, although Friday's event ended up falling short of the model projections for many areas, so perhaps we might just about get away with it... all depends on how much progression the fronts achieve before stalling, and how many showers turn up in between them.


On the face of it, the signal from ECM and GFS for stalling fronts up against blocking to our E and NE in the longer term is tragic... but if the troughs carry less energy east and more SE, then we'll have something to smile about instead. Well, some of us, at least 


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Gooner
25 January 2014 22:18:05

http://modeles.meteociel.fr/modeles/gfs/runs/2014012518/gfsnh-0-150.png?18


shape of the attacking low is different again to the 12z


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Banbury
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Gooner
25 January 2014 22:23:31

http://modeles.meteociel.fr/modeles/gfs/runs/2014012518/gfsnh-0-168.png?18


last 3 runs have shown different outcomes at this point, clearly deep into FI


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North Oxfordshire
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Gooner
25 January 2014 22:36:38

http://modeles.meteociel.fr/modeles/gfs/runs/2014012518/gfsnh-0-228.png?18


The block to the East is back in play on the 18z


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Marcus
Banbury
North Oxfordshire
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Karl Guille
25 January 2014 22:46:19

http://modeles.meteociel.fr/modeles/gfs/runs/2014012518/gfsnh-0-228.png?18 
The block to the East is back in play on the 18z

Originally Posted by: Gooner 



Doesn't quite come off on this run but its immaterial at that range. Need to see a return to the output we saw yesterday if those of us in the Deep South are to have a chance of seeing anything white in the next 10 days. Fascinating stuff but I'm feeling a little pessimistic about the outcome from this latest attempt at winter. 😞

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Guernsey
Gooner
25 January 2014 22:47:59

http://modeles.meteociel.fr/modeles/gfs/runs/2014012518/gfsnh-0-228.png?18  The block to the East is back in play on the 18z

Originally Posted by: Karl Guille 

Doesn't quite come off on this run but its immaterial at that range. Need to see a return to the output we saw yesterday if those of us in the Deep South are to have a chance of seeing anything white in the next 10 days. Fascinating stuff but I'm feeling a little pessimistic about the outcome from this latest attempt at winter. 😞

Originally Posted by: Gooner 


Me too Karl , although lets remember we are still a week away from getting into February., it might be out Winter willl be the 2nd half of Feb and the whole of March


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Marcus
Banbury
North Oxfordshire
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David M Porter
25 January 2014 23:23:20



http://modeles.meteociel.fr/modeles/gfs/runs/2014012506/gfsnh-10-384.png?6


biggest warming of the Winter


Originally Posted by: Quantum 


HOLY BARTLETT


that could be the biggest warming ever.


 


Originally Posted by: Gooner 


Very interesting! I wonder if winter is perhaps going to make a late appearance again, a bit like last year (although hopefully March won't be as cold!)


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Gooner
25 January 2014 23:29:07

http://modeles.meteociel.fr/modeles/gfs/runs/2014012518/gfsnh-10-336.png?18


not so warm on this run but at least that blue thing has been split


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Banbury
North Oxfordshire
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