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Rob K
29 January 2014 08:22:27
I've got next week off work and was hoping to be able to do some jobs outside around the house and garden. I don't think that will be happening looking at the rain spikes on the ensembles:

http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/MT8_London_ens.png 

Well I say spikes, more like whole mountain range!

And to think that for the first 10 days of winter we were worried about anticyclonic gloom persisting into January!
Yateley, NE Hampshire, 73m asl
"But who wants to be foretold the weather? It is bad enough when it comes, without our having the misery of knowing about it beforehand." — Jerome K. Jerome
Andy Woodcock
29 January 2014 09:01:15
Terrible outlook, I have even lost my temporary snowfall ahead of the next band of rain on Friday.

As Morrissey sang 'God only knows I'am miserable now'

Andy
Andy Woodcock
Penrith
Cumbria

Altitude 535 feet

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GIBBY
29 January 2014 09:07:14

Good morning all. Here is the latest review of the latest outputs issued by the NWP for today Wednesday January 29th 2014 and raised from my website at http://www.norton-radstockweather.co.uk/Model-Analysis(2859336).htm


All models show a quieter day today and tomorrow though still with some outbreaks of rain and sleet today as the remains of the recent deep Low over Britain finally leaves the South Coast as it drifts away into Europe. The dry, cold and cloudy weather of tomorrow will be short-lived as a new rapidly deepening Low swings in from the Atlantic towards the NW on Friday spreading a large swathe of rain and strong winds across the area from the SW. This could fall as snow over Northern hills briefly and will be replaced by clearer and chilly weather with squally showers, wintry on hills over the weekend as the Low only slowly drifts away North from Northern Scotland.


GFS then shows the entire remainder of it's run with repeated attacks of deepening Low pressure areas swinging in from the SW close to Western Britain and then moving further North each leaving blustery showers in their wake. The only glimmer of hope visible on this morning's operational run is that pressure rises somewhat later with the worst of the rain transferring to the NW with longer drier periods in the SE. Throughout the run temperatures at the surface will be close to average or a little above.


The GFS Ensembles show complete agreement on the continuation of rain and strong winds from Atlantic depressions close to NW Britain throughout with far too much rain projected for comfort and temperatures on the plus side of average.


UKMO shows another deepening Low having swung North up the Western side of the UK with an active front crossing east over the UK carrying another spell of heavy rain followed by showers.


GEM also shows deeply unsettled weather though it does show the chance of another slip into a cold ESE flow across the NE as the next Low in the series takes a slightly different orientation. This means little for the South with more heavy rain but a short colder snap in the NE with some snow briefly as the rain in the South moves North. By the end of the run all areas are deeply unsettled with centre's all over the place with wet and windy weather for all.


NAVGEM also offers no relief from the recent rains carrying repetitive sequences of weather North and NE over the UK with spells of rain and showers in association with Low pressure spinning NNE up the western coast of the UK.


ECM also shows unsettled and often wet weather next week as Low pressure remains in total domination of the UK weather throughout next week and continuing to provide plenty of rainfall to areas that least need it through the period in average temperatures overall.


The ECM 9 and 10 Day Mean Charts show a continuation of the pattern of deep low pressure over the Atlantic and the UK bathed in relatively mild South or SW winds with heavy rain for all at times with the heaviest rains appearing to be most likely adjacent to the wind in the South and West.


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Reem2161.gif
http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Reem2401.gif


The GFS Jet Forecast remains as active as ever steaming across the Atlantic, strongly at times and then continuing East just to the South of the UK with just a gentle trending of the flow North over Southern Britain very late in the run.


In Summary today the pattern remains unchanged from yesterday with Low pressure looking in total domination of conditions over the UK throughout the entire output, generally positioned to the NW. This promotes frequent periods of rain on troughs crossing North and East across all areas with the heaviest rainfall still most likely in the South and SW where it is least needed. Temperatures present no problems this morning with the average for the time of year achieved on most days with even some days above average if Southerly winds waft North with any brighter weather between weather systems.


Martin G
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Jiries
29 January 2014 10:05:05
http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/MT8_London_ens.png  Well I say spikes, more like whole mountain range! And to think that for the first 10 days of winter we were worried about anticyclonic gloom persisting into January!


Go abroad for a week if you can where snow exist.  I am very glad that I saw what winter is really like in Toronto and they still getting prolonged deep cold so I think this jet stream had been well abnormal by giving very warm and dry weather in W USA/Canada and very cold on the east side while same time we get mild and wet over NW Europe.  No end in sight for all places with same status but surely something will break when Spring come?


 

Russwirral
29 January 2014 10:15:56


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/MT8_London_ens.png  Well I say spikes, more like whole mountain range! And to think that for the first 10 days of winter we were worried about anticyclonic gloom persisting into January!

Originally Posted by: Jiries 


Go abroad for a week if you can where snow exist.  I am very glad that I saw what winter is really like in Toronto and they still getting prolonged deep cold so I think this jet stream had been well abnormal by giving very warm and dry weather in W USA/Canada and very cold on the east side while same time we get mild and wet over NW Europe.  No end in sight for all places with same status but surely something will break when Spring come?


 



 


It was meant to have broken once we got into January when the jet stream 'calms down'


 


Its still hyper, and if the much talked about phantom SSW occurs and brings northern blocking - i can see this running well into Spring and early summer bringing more and more rain.


 


Really want High pressure to the south as we enter Spring.  Its been a while since we had that pressure pattern for spring. 


Maunder Minimum
29 January 2014 10:32:56

Terrible outlook, I have even lost my temporary snowfall ahead of the next band of rain on Friday.

As Morrissey sang 'God only knows I'am miserable now'

Andy

Originally Posted by: Andy Woodcock 



This season is a winter write-off, which will go down in the halls of infamy. The winter of 2013-14 will be etched in our brains as an example of just how wretched the British winter can be.
File it away for future reference - this is as bad as it can get!

New world order coming.
Russwirral
29 January 2014 10:55:09

Terrible outlook, I have even lost my temporary snowfall ahead of the next band of rain on Friday. As Morrissey sang 'God only knows I'am miserable now' Andy

Originally Posted by: Maunder Minimum 

This season is a winter write-off, which will go down in the halls of infamy. The winter of 2013-14 will be etched in our brains as an example of just how wretched the British winter can be. File it away for future reference - this is as bad as it can get!

Originally Posted by: Andy Woodcock 


 


We're quite lucky not to have hurricanes, volcanos, Earthquakes, Poisonous animals (well - severely so) Severly hot weather... Severely Cold weather....


 


but...


 


we have really Naff winters.


idj20
29 January 2014 10:58:33

Good news, spring arrives by the middle part of the month courtesy of the mighty GFS: http://www.weatheronline.co.uk/cgi-bin/expertcharts?LANG=en&MENU=0000000000&CONT=euro&MODELL=gfs&MODELLTYP=1&BASE=201401280600&VAR=pslv&HH=384&ARCHIV=0&ZOOM=0&PERIOD=&WMO = Bad news, it's at 384 hours, that's when Captain Kirk will be born, or something like that. But, still,would come as a huge relief for all if that doescome to fruition.

Originally Posted by: KevBrads1 

Actually that is not Spring, that's a straw clutch chart for Winter, -5C air over parts of the UK

Originally Posted by: idj20 



That light at the end of the tunnel at the far reaches of the GFS output timescale is still there. Hopefully a "trend"  as the idea work it's way onto the reliable time frame: http://www.weatheronline.co.uk/cgi-bin/expertcharts?LANG=en&MENU=0000000000&CONT=euro&MODELL=gfs&MODELLTYP=1&BASE=201401290600&VAR=prec&HH=384&ZOOM=1&ARCHIV=0&RES=0&PANEL=0&LOOP=0&INFO=0&WMO= (I've noticed it's only the 00z outputs that comes up with the idea).

Odds on for a settled and frosty Valentine Day?

PS: Sorry about the extra long links causing my postings to take up twice the width of the page. Not sure why it does that.


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Jiries
29 January 2014 10:58:45


 


It was meant to have broken once we got into January when the jet stream 'calms down'


 


Its still hyper, and if the much talked about phantom SSW occurs and brings northern blocking - i can see this running well into Spring and early summer bringing more and more rain.


 


Really want High pressure to the south as we enter Spring.  Its been a while since we had that pressure pattern for spring. 


Originally Posted by: Russwirral 


I hope by end of Feb is the turning point to see if the jet move back northward like it did in 1995 after 6 months of rain and winds abated and brought decent dry spring and hot summer.   Surely we are well over due for prolonged HP moving in from the south since last August.

Gavin P
29 January 2014 11:04:06


Plumbing new depths the outlook remains very unsettled with a load more rain and very windy at times.
Even the Russian mafiosa running the Winter Olympics may be a little worried as westerly winds look like pushing right into NW Russia over the next few weeks. Extended outlook of 10 - 12deg in Sochi itself but the moutains should retain snowcover - just.

This winter could go down as one we will cite in years to come as being true bile LOL.


Originally Posted by: nsrobins 


This has got to be the "low point" of the decade? It's hard to imagine us having many winters as bad as this for reletnless rain and a total lack of cold/snow?


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Charmhills
29 January 2014 12:03:46

The Atlantic is relentless and we had better get used to it.


More flooding and more rain....


Loughborough, EM.

Knowledge is power, ignorance is weakness.

Duane.
Rob K
29 January 2014 12:08:50
Even the EURO4 has removed all signs of pink shading anywhere south of Sheffield for tomorrow.

http://www.weatheronline.co.uk/cgi-bin/expertcharts?LANG=en&MENU=0000000000&CONT=ukuk&MODELL=euro4&MODELLTYP=1&BASE=-&VAR=prty&HH=3&ARCHIV=0&ZOOM=0&PERIOD=&WMO= 

The cold air totally fails to make inroads into the south.

http://expert-images.weatheronline.co.uk/daten/proficharts/en/euro4/2014/01/29/basis06/ukuk/th85/14013006_2906.gif 
Yateley, NE Hampshire, 73m asl
"But who wants to be foretold the weather? It is bad enough when it comes, without our having the misery of knowing about it beforehand." — Jerome K. Jerome
29 January 2014 12:23:07

I've got next week off work and was hoping to be able to do some jobs outside around the house and garden. I don't think that will be happening looking at the rain spikes on the ensembles:

http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/MT8_London_ens.png 

Well I say spikes, more like whole mountain range!

And to think that for the first 10 days of winter we were worried about anticyclonic gloom persisting into January!

Originally Posted by: Rob K 



Spiking the lawn may be a beneficial task at the moment!
29 January 2014 12:35:38

I for one, love lots of snow and cold, but the other side of me is happy not to be scraping ice off the car every morning.


Does anyone have a link for the SST's? I would expect them to be well above average given our mildish winter so far, would this in turn lead to a quicker spring warming??


 

Maunder Minimum
29 January 2014 12:57:58

I for one, love lots of snow and cold, but the other side of me is happy not to be scraping ice off the car every morning.
Does anyone have a link for the SST's? I would expect them to be well above average given our mildish winter so far, would this in turn lead to a quicker spring warming??

Originally Posted by: 52.3000° N, 1.9333° W 



The North Atlantic is now colder than usual - not surprising, given all the frigid air blasting across it from Canada and the States.
However, cooler SSTs at our latitude, actually favour drier summer weather in the UK.
http://www.ospo.noaa.gov/data/sst/anomaly/2014/anomnight.1.27.2014.gif 
New world order coming.
Quantum
29 January 2014 12:58:07

CFS is now consistently showing only signs of blocking by march 4th which I assume is due to strat warming.



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2023/2024 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):
29/11 (-6), 30/11 (-6), 02/12 (-5), 03/12 (-5), 04/12 (-3), 16/01 (-3), 18/01 (-8), 08/02 (-5)

Total: 8 days with snow/sleet falling.

2022/2023 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

18/12 (-1), 06/03 (-6), 08/03 (-8), 09/03 (-6), 10/03 (-8), 11/03 (-5), 14/03 (-6)

Total: 7 days with snow/sleet falling.

2021/2022 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

26/11 (-5), 27/11 (-7), 28/11 (-6), 02/12 (-6), 06/01 (-5), 07/01 (-6), 06/02 (-5), 19/02 (-5), 24/02 (-7), 30/03 (-7), 31/03 (-8), 01/04 (-8)
Total: 12 days with snow/sleet falling.
Charmhills
29 January 2014 13:04:59

I for one, love lots of snow and cold, but the other side of me is happy not to be scraping ice off the car every morning. Does anyone have a link for the SST's? I would expect them to be well above average given our mildish winter so far, would this in turn lead to a quicker spring warming??

Originally Posted by: Maunder Minimum 

The North Atlantic is now colder than usual - not surprising, given all the frigid air blasting across it from Canada and the States. However, cooler SSTs at our latitude, actually favour drier summer weather in the UK. Originally Posted by: 52.3000° N, 1.9333° W 

">http://www.ospo.noaa.gov/data/sst/anomaly/2014/anomnight.1.27.2014.gif


Do they!


The cold North Atlantic waters of 1912 didn't stop the wettest UK summer on record did it!


Talk of summer is meaningless since its so far away in weather terms.


Loughborough, EM.

Knowledge is power, ignorance is weakness.

Duane.
some faraway beach
29 January 2014 13:05:43


I for one, love lots of snow and cold, but the other side of me is happy not to be scraping ice off the car every morning.


Does anyone have a link for the SST's? I would expect them to be well above average given our mildish winter so far, would this in turn lead to a quicker spring warming??


 


Originally Posted by: 52.3000° N, 1.9333° W 


http://weather.unisys.com/surface/sst_anom_new.gif


Above average to our east, especially between England and the Continent; below average to our west, especially at our latitude in the central Atlantic.


2 miles west of Taunton, 32 m asl, where "milder air moving in from the west" becomes SNOWMAGEDDON.
Well, two or three times a decade it does, anyway.
Roonie
29 January 2014 13:41:52


I for one, love lots of snow and cold, but the other side of me is happy not to be scraping ice off the car every morning.


Does anyone have a link for the SST's? I would expect them to be well above average given our mildish winter so far, would this in turn lead to a quicker spring warming??


 


Originally Posted by: 52.3000° N, 1.9333° W 


 


This may help....


http://weather.unisys.com/surface/sst_anom.gif


Just as an aside, your coordinates are on a dual carriageway in the middle of a roundabout.......


 


Still Lurking.......

North Worcestershire
Russwirral
29 January 2014 14:14:15


CFS is now consistently showing only signs of blocking by march 4th which I assume is due to strat warming.



Originally Posted by: Quantum 


 


can you provide some links please? would be interesting to see what you mean :)


Gooner
29 January 2014 14:43:59


CFS is now consistently showing only signs of blocking by march 4th which I assume is due to strat warming.



Originally Posted by: Quantum 



 


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ozone_aurora
29 January 2014 15:16:35



I for one, love lots of snow and cold, but the other side of me is happy not to be scraping ice off the car every morning.


Does anyone have a link for the SST's? I would expect them to be well above average given our mildish winter so far, would this in turn lead to a quicker spring warming??


 


Originally Posted by: Roonie 


 


This may help....


http://weather.unisys.com/surface/sst_anom.gif


Just as an aside, your coordinates are on a dual carriageway in the middle of a roundabout.......


 


Originally Posted by: 52.3000° N, 1.9333° W 


 


See also this,


http://www.ospo.noaa.gov/Products/ocean/sst/anomaly/


 

Dougie
29 January 2014 15:19:04


I for one, love lots of snow and cold, but the other side of me is happy not to be scraping ice off the car every morning.


Does anyone have a link for the SST's? I would expect them to be well above average given our mildish winter so far, would this in turn lead to a quicker spring warming??


 


Originally Posted by: 52.3000° N, 1.9333° W 


Just for the record, the SST 200 miles off the NW coast of Scotland, and again approx. 200 miles West of Southern Ireland are virtually identical to this time last year.


The North Sea however is about one degree warmer, and the English Channel about half a degree warmer.


Ha'way the lads
Quantum
29 January 2014 15:24:46

I'm going to get the crayons out, as I know how much MattyH loves my drawings! :D



Anyway this is the NAFES mean at 384h, which I have found to be very accurate so far this winter. I have drawn fronts on merley to get an idea where the various airmasses are, because obviously the fronts themselves will look nothing like this in 384 hours; but the airmasses may well do.


Anyway the UK is not suprisingly still in a returning polar airmass, and there is a slight hint there could be some continental influence at times; so very unsettled and wet, but not overly mild or cold. The exception to that may be the far south which seems to be closer to a tropical airmass. The fact that the NAFES mean has us at the intersection of 3 airmasses at 384h just goes to indicate how wet it is likely to be; wettest winter on record?


Still I note the frigid Arctic air mass is actually pretty close, just starting to come in towards northern scandanavia; this illustrates the story of the winter so far. If the atlantic could just settle down for just a second (or a few days when not talking metaphorically) there is plenty of cold air knocking on our door ready to come in. In fact I would hazard a guess, that a bout of warm air advected into canada for a few weeks in december would have us in quite a different position now. 


Twitter: @QuantumOverlord (general), @MedicaneWatch (medicane/TC stuff)
2023/2024 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):
29/11 (-6), 30/11 (-6), 02/12 (-5), 03/12 (-5), 04/12 (-3), 16/01 (-3), 18/01 (-8), 08/02 (-5)

Total: 8 days with snow/sleet falling.

2022/2023 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

18/12 (-1), 06/03 (-6), 08/03 (-8), 09/03 (-6), 10/03 (-8), 11/03 (-5), 14/03 (-6)

Total: 7 days with snow/sleet falling.

2021/2022 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

26/11 (-5), 27/11 (-7), 28/11 (-6), 02/12 (-6), 06/01 (-5), 07/01 (-6), 06/02 (-5), 19/02 (-5), 24/02 (-7), 30/03 (-7), 31/03 (-8), 01/04 (-8)
Total: 12 days with snow/sleet falling.
Osprey
29 January 2014 16:25:18

I don't see any signs of winter cold on the CFS right through to mid March http://modeles.meteociel.fr/modeles/cfs/run1m/cfs-0-1074.png?00 To me looks like a continuous south east HP blocking off the uk, I'm gussing if this is modeled right it means more rain too?


Never thought I'd say this but I'd like an easterly to dry everything out (Even if it means cold )


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