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Nordic Snowman
12 February 2014 23:25:01
I also think next week will be generally wet but the output is now firming up on a respite from the strong winds.

The conveyor belt of LPs undergoing rapid cyclogenesis to our SW and bombing over the country appears to be weakening after this weekend. I can't see a big freeze and instead I'd go for a more buckled flow next week.
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The Beast from the East
12 February 2014 23:40:58

GFS 18z would be a disaster in terms of rainfall


Ground water levels here are already at capacity. The Caterham Bourne may become a permanent feature instead of an ancient underground river.


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roger63
13 February 2014 07:57:33

0h GFS op goes off on a colder track,with a rather unlikely semi slder LP>No support from GEFS ensembles ot other models.


http://www.meteociel.fr/modeles/gfse_cartes.php?&ech=174&mode=0


 

The Beast from the East
13 February 2014 08:18:43


0h GFS op goes off on a colder track,with a rather unlikely semi slder LP>No support from GEFS ensembles ot other models.


http://www.meteociel.fr/modeles/gfse_cartes.php?&ech=174&mode=0


 


Originally Posted by: roger63 


Perhaps some support from UKMO as well


 


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Maunder Minimum
13 February 2014 08:31:56

ECM seems to have taken over as the lemon model this season - sod all consistency from it!


Needs a new engine!


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GIBBY
13 February 2014 09:04:50

Hi everyone. Here is the report on the midnight outputs from GFS, UKMO, GEM, NAVGEM and ECM for today Thursday February 13th 2014.


All models show a showery westerly flow across the UK today with wintry showers on hills and in the North. Tonight sees a new low developing to the SW and spreading NE across Ireland and the North tomorrow bringing renewed heavy rain and severe gales to all areas tomorrow. As it moves North through tomorrow night the UK will again be affected by a very showery westerly flow with the risk of hill snow remaining in a cold and blustery wind. On Sunday a showery start to the day will lessen as a ridge moves across from the West ahead of the next less deep Low pressure which arrives over the South on Monday with rain and showers and hill snow across the UK to start next week.


GFS then shows the remainder of next week as rather changeable with rain at times as weakening Low pressure areas spill in from the West delivering rain at times and snow over Northern hills. Longer term the weather remains and becomes somewhat colder still with some dry and bright weather with always the risk of rain, sleet and snow around as pressure falls slack over the British Isles.


UKMO ends it's run this morning showing next Wednesday with a slack and chilly Westerly flow across the UK with a trough sliding in from the West bringing some rain across the South and maybe snow in the North as it bumps into colder air.


GEM today has already brought a trough across the UK by Wednesday leading to the rest of the run showing breezy Westerly winds and further rain bearing systems across the UK in largely average temperatures.


NAVGEM closes it's run with Westerly winds well in control still with rain and showers at times with the heaviest rain more likely towards the NW in average temperatures once more.


ECM today carries a ridge across the UK through the middle of next week with two or three welcome days of dry weather across the South which would be very welcome. However, by the weekend the weather slides downhill again as Atlantic troughs bear down on the UK from the West with more rain edging slowly East


The ECM Mean Charts today have limited support to the operational for the midweek period next week but are less supportive of anything more than a transient ridge as Low pressure is still shown with a strong foothold over the UK weather positioned just to the West of Scotland with SW winds and rain at times likely for all again by next weekend after a brief respite midweek.


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Reem1681.gif


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Reem1921.gif


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Reem2161.gif


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Reem2401.gif


The GFS Ensembles are not at all supportive of the operational's colder solution towards the end of it's run instead opting for very unsettled conditions continuing with rain and strong winds at times in a strong Atlantic influence of Westerly winds.


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The GFS Jet Stream Forecast shows the flow trying to move north and weaken after this week which it does succeed in doing briefly before it strengthens again later and edges South again in an undulating form through Week 2.


In Summary after the next powerful depression tomorrow and Saturday there looks certain to be at least some moderation in the weather as we move out of the weekend and into next week. This may not be that apparent early in the week as a new Low will bring further rain but the winds will be less strong. Then towards midweek pressure may rise sufficiently across the South at least to give a brief drier interlude. However, the overall pattern remains unsettled and there looks plenty of scope in the later period for the Atlantic to return in one form or another delivering yet more rain and some windy weather too with temperatures probably recovering from the rather chilly levels currently to something nearer the average and maybe a little above at times in the South.


Martin G
Kilmersdon Radstock Bath Somerset



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DEW
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13 February 2014 09:08:25

Thanks, Martin


 


Suggestions of drier weather in FI http://www.wxmaps.org/pix/prec4.html - the first time for a couple of months that GFS predicts that the whole country will have under 15mm of rain for the week (the second week, that is); and we'd normally consider even that figure as quite a wet period!


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David M Porter
13 February 2014 09:56:26


ECM seems to have taken over as the lemon model this season - sod all consistency from it!


Needs a new engine!


Originally Posted by: Maunder Minimum 


ECM has been poor this winter IMO. I know that all models have their off-days, but ECM seems to have been some way below its usual high standards from what I can make out.


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The Beast from the East
13 February 2014 10:07:04

1st hurdle cleared with the initial slider. Lets see where we go from here


 


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Russwirral
13 February 2014 10:07:16



ECM seems to have taken over as the lemon model this season - sod all consistency from it!


Needs a new engine!


Originally Posted by: David M Porter 


ECM has been poor this winter IMO. I know that all models have their off-days, but ECM seems to have been some way below its usual high standards from what I can make out.


Originally Posted by: Maunder Minimum 


 


I would never discount the ECM.  based on experience, if often picks up on something weeks in advance, to drop it and pick it up again a week later.


The Beast from the East
13 February 2014 10:16:16

http://modeles.meteociel.fr/modeles/gfs/runs/2014021306/gfs-1-132.png?6


Unfortunately it does seem likely that the huge temp gradient in the atlantic will power up the jet and blast away any ridge.


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The Beast from the East
13 February 2014 10:22:33

http://modeles.meteociel.fr/modeles/gfs/runs/2014021306/gfs-0-156.png?6


Ridge holding, so a good chance to dry out, but now need an undercut for the easterly


 


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Arcus
13 February 2014 10:23:41




ECM seems to have taken over as the lemon model this season - sod all consistency from it!


Needs a new engine!


Originally Posted by: Russwirral 


ECM has been poor this winter IMO. I know that all models have their off-days, but ECM seems to have been some way below its usual high standards from what I can make out.


Originally Posted by: David M Porter 


 


I would never discount the ECM.  based on experience, if often picks up on something weeks in advance, to drop it and pick it up again a week later.


Originally Posted by: Maunder Minimum 


Over the past month the ECM 00z still has better verification stats than all other models at 1,3,5,6,8 and 10 days for SLP for the northern hemisphere. That continues the same trend from prevoius months.


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The Beast from the East
13 February 2014 10:26:11

close but no cigar. heavy rain again by thursday, but it probably will keep changing


 


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The Beast from the East
13 February 2014 10:28:47

worst case scenario for us, stuck in the battleground, lots of rain again,


 


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Charmhills
13 February 2014 10:48:20

If I'm gona sum up the outlook for next week its changeable.



http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/brack0a.gif


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http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/brack1a.gif


Another potent system to come though.


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Gooner
13 February 2014 10:52:11

An Easterly end to GFS


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roger63
13 February 2014 11:16:57


An Easterly end to GFS


Originally Posted by: Gooner 


Will need to see ENS support as step 1

RobN
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13 February 2014 12:44:16



An Easterly end to GFS


Originally Posted by: roger63 


Will need to see ENS support as step 1


Originally Posted by: Gooner 


Both GFS Op and Control hanging their bats out to dry on opposite sides


http://modeles.meteociel.fr/modeles/gens/runs/2014021306/graphe3_1000_306_141___Londres.gif


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Gooner
13 February 2014 13:16:20




An Easterly end to GFS


Originally Posted by: RobN 


Will need to see ENS support as step 1


Originally Posted by: roger63 


Both GFS Op and Control hanging their bats out to dry on opposite sides


http://modeles.meteociel.fr/modeles/gens/runs/2014021306/graphe3_1000_306_141___Londres.gif


Originally Posted by: Gooner 


http://modeles.meteociel.fr/modeles/gfs/runs/2014021306/gfsnh-0-384.png?6


yet this does have support , different ways of getting there I guess


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Quantum
13 February 2014 13:23:43

Outlook no less uncertain, the first low is guaranteed to be a slider but the models can't work out quite what to do with the 2nd one. Could go either way, and with -30C uppers threatning to get into Europe there is a lot to play for. 


In fact the trend seems to be, less likely to come off, but greater rewards if it does. 


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2023/2024 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):
29/11 (-6), 30/11 (-6), 02/12 (-5), 03/12 (-5), 04/12 (-3), 16/01 (-3), 18/01 (-8), 08/02 (-5)

Total: 8 days with snow/sleet falling.

2022/2023 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

18/12 (-1), 06/03 (-6), 08/03 (-8), 09/03 (-6), 10/03 (-8), 11/03 (-5), 14/03 (-6)

Total: 7 days with snow/sleet falling.

2021/2022 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

26/11 (-5), 27/11 (-7), 28/11 (-6), 02/12 (-6), 06/01 (-5), 07/01 (-6), 06/02 (-5), 19/02 (-5), 24/02 (-7), 30/03 (-7), 31/03 (-8), 01/04 (-8)
Total: 12 days with snow/sleet falling.
Osprey
13 February 2014 14:03:07


Outlook no less uncertain, the first low is guaranteed to be a slider but the models can't work out quite what to do with the 2nd one. Could go either way, and with -30C uppers threatning to get into Europe there is a lot to play for. 


In fact the trend seems to be, less likely to come off, but greater rewards if it does. 


Originally Posted by: Quantum 


4 Models at a crossroads


3 of em say to the reserved good looking model (UKMO)


"Which way now "


 


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Russwirral
13 February 2014 14:52:05

i think what the models are trying to figure out is where this lump of cold air entering northern russia is going to end up.  Hopefully with southern europe warming up - it could direct it this way - would create some very severe storms over Italy/balklands


 


http://cdn.nwstatic.co.uk/gfsimages/gfs.20140213/06/216/h850t850eu.png


JACKO4EVER
13 February 2014 15:11:34


Outlook no less uncertain, the first low is guaranteed to be a slider but the models can't work out quite what to do with the 2nd one. Could go either way, and with -30C uppers threatning to get into Europe there is a lot to play for. 


In fact the trend seems to be, less likely to come off, but greater rewards if it does. 


Originally Posted by: Quantum 


Very interesting period of model watching coming up for sure. With that first low appearing to slide- we could end up anywhere. However- this could spell utter disaster. The last thing we need is an Eastern block forming and dissipating the Atlantic upon the UK in a stand off situation. This could well end up being the case- that seems to have been a pattern this winter and don't bet against it.


Sevendust
13 February 2014 16:09:13

Listening to Chris Fawkes earlier he intimated a zonal pattern throughout this month although I think tomorrows low will be the last big one for a while.


There is some high pressure around but recently some of the ECM operationals have been off the wall with their easterlies so a less unsettled spell after another low on Monday but nothing much in terms of cold other than an increased frost risk maybe.


A spell of proper anticyclonic weather would be great but Im not seeing that at the moment

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