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Stormchaser
24 March 2014 11:19:10



ECM continues to show the potential for the collision of airmasses


Will feel more chilly this week in the South east with the easterly wind than perhaps the whole of winter


 


 

Originally Posted by: nsrobins 


Indeed.


http://www.meteociel.fr/modeles/ecmwf.php?ech=240&mode=0&map=0&type=0&archive=0


A real continental US style gradient there. One of the 'best' charts of the 'winter' LOL


Originally Posted by: The Beast from the East 


If we could get a warm and moist low level flow from the SE, a drier and colder mid-level flow from the west and a cold, dry upper level flow from the northeast, we'd be mimicing the setup that produces supercells and tornados in the U.S.


Not nearly as extreme, of course, but it would be interesting to say the least 


 


...and no, I'm not forecasting an outbreak of violent storms and tornados... just going for a bit of extreme speculation, for fun 


 


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Stormchaser
24 March 2014 11:37:43

http://www.meteociel.fr/modeles/ecmwf/runs/2014032400/ECM100-120.GIF?24-12


http://www.meteociel.fr/modeles/ecmwf/runs/2014032400/ECM100-240.GIF?24-12


The 850hPa anomalies across parts of Scandinavia flip from +8 to -8*C in the space of 5 days.


Not the most dramatic of changes (it can be much quicker), but a sizeable one!


 


http://www.meteociel.fr/modeles/ecmwf/runs/2014032400/ECH100-0.GIF?24-12


http://www.meteociel.fr/modeles/ecmwf/runs/2014032400/ECH100-240.GIF?24-12


Much of the U.S. is shown to warm up big-time over the next 10 days, while the West Coast finally sees an end to the largely above average temperatures.


This all reflects the first major hemisphere-wide pattern change to occur in months. With any luck, the new pattern won't stick us under troughing for most of 3 and a half months like the last one did 


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Quantum
24 March 2014 12:26:09




ECM continues to show the potential for the collision of airmasses


Will feel more chilly this week in the South east with the easterly wind than perhaps the whole of winter


 


 

Originally Posted by: Stormchaser 


Indeed.


http://www.meteociel.fr/modeles/ecmwf.php?ech=240&mode=0&map=0&type=0&archive=0


A real continental US style gradient there. One of the 'best' charts of the 'winter' LOL


Originally Posted by: nsrobins 


If we could get a warm and moist low level flow from the SE, a drier and colder mid-level flow from the west and a cold, dry upper level flow from the northeast, we'd be mimicing the setup that produces supercells and tornados in the U.S.


Not nearly as extreme, of course, but it would be interesting to say the least 


 


...and no, I'm not forecasting an outbreak of violent storms and tornados... just going for a bit of extreme speculation, for fun 


 


Originally Posted by: The Beast from the East 


And also low level cold air advection could trigger ice storms as a possibility, rare for the UK. 


GEM0Z is one to check out too, the coldest core of uppers in the NH gets wrapped up in a low close to the UK. 


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2023/2024 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):
29/11 (-6), 30/11 (-6), 02/12 (-5), 03/12 (-5), 04/12 (-3), 16/01 (-3), 18/01 (-8), 08/02 (-5)

Total: 8 days with snow/sleet falling.

2022/2023 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

18/12 (-1), 06/03 (-6), 08/03 (-8), 09/03 (-6), 10/03 (-8), 11/03 (-5), 14/03 (-6)

Total: 7 days with snow/sleet falling.

2021/2022 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

26/11 (-5), 27/11 (-7), 28/11 (-6), 02/12 (-6), 06/01 (-5), 07/01 (-6), 06/02 (-5), 19/02 (-5), 24/02 (-7), 30/03 (-7), 31/03 (-8), 01/04 (-8)
Total: 12 days with snow/sleet falling.
Gavin P
24 March 2014 13:33:00

Hi all,


Here's today's video update:


Northern Blocking For April?


http://www.gavsweathervids.com


Certainly good signs of northern blocking, but will it all align right to bring us a late cold/wintry snap?


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Charmhills
24 March 2014 17:45:32

Cheers Gav.


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Gooner
24 March 2014 18:44:11

http://www.meteociel.fr/modeles/ecmwf/runs/2014032412/ECH1-192.GIF?24-0


Big cold push from the NE by ECM


Remember anything after T120 is really Just For Fun



Marcus
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Quantum
24 March 2014 18:56:22


http://www.meteociel.fr/modeles/ecmwf/runs/2014032412/ECH1-192.GIF?24-0


Big cold push from the NE by ECM


Originally Posted by: Gooner 


Now I feel sorry for my old school teachers that had to deal with me turning up to the lesson 55 minutes late with a smile on my face saying "sorry I'm late miss". 


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2023/2024 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):
29/11 (-6), 30/11 (-6), 02/12 (-5), 03/12 (-5), 04/12 (-3), 16/01 (-3), 18/01 (-8), 08/02 (-5)

Total: 8 days with snow/sleet falling.

2022/2023 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

18/12 (-1), 06/03 (-6), 08/03 (-8), 09/03 (-6), 10/03 (-8), 11/03 (-5), 14/03 (-6)

Total: 7 days with snow/sleet falling.

2021/2022 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

26/11 (-5), 27/11 (-7), 28/11 (-6), 02/12 (-6), 06/01 (-5), 07/01 (-6), 06/02 (-5), 19/02 (-5), 24/02 (-7), 30/03 (-7), 31/03 (-8), 01/04 (-8)
Total: 12 days with snow/sleet falling.
Quantum
24 March 2014 19:00:58

Right then, who is going to break the bad news to MattyH?


 


Twitter: @QuantumOverlord (general), @MedicaneWatch (medicane/TC stuff)
2023/2024 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):
29/11 (-6), 30/11 (-6), 02/12 (-5), 03/12 (-5), 04/12 (-3), 16/01 (-3), 18/01 (-8), 08/02 (-5)

Total: 8 days with snow/sleet falling.

2022/2023 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

18/12 (-1), 06/03 (-6), 08/03 (-8), 09/03 (-6), 10/03 (-8), 11/03 (-5), 14/03 (-6)

Total: 7 days with snow/sleet falling.

2021/2022 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

26/11 (-5), 27/11 (-7), 28/11 (-6), 02/12 (-6), 06/01 (-5), 07/01 (-6), 06/02 (-5), 19/02 (-5), 24/02 (-7), 30/03 (-7), 31/03 (-8), 01/04 (-8)
Total: 12 days with snow/sleet falling.
Gooner
24 March 2014 19:07:39

http://www.meteociel.fr/modeles/ecmwf/runs/2014032412/ECH1-240.GIF?24-0


My birthday could be chilly


Remember anything after T120 is really Just For Fun



Marcus
Banbury
North Oxfordshire
378 feet A S L


Essan
24 March 2014 19:13:33

Meanwhile, GFS ensembles in good agreement for above ave 850hPa temps from the 29th onwards


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The Beast from the East
24 March 2014 20:24:27
ECM seems to be going out on a limb with the clean full blown easterly. We need to see GFS on board.
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Sevendust
24 March 2014 21:24:36

ECM seems to be going out on a limb with the clean full blown easterly. We need to see GFS on board.

Originally Posted by: The Beast from the East 


For the sake of balance, even at T240 the -5'c 850 hpa line has barely reached the UK.


There appears to an element of ramping creeping in which is related to fairly deep FI by the usual suspects.


If we get to around T120 and that scenario I might be interested but at that time we have a mild push from the SE on ECM.


The trend to northern blocking remains but it could manifest a number of set-ups down the line 

Stormchaser
24 March 2014 21:58:45

5 days of temperatures potentially in the mid to high teens widely across the south. That's what ECM offers, before the chilly flow on day 10.


There has been an overall shift in the direction of some warmth on a SE flow, at least for England. ECM actually does a better job of it than GFS, as does UKMO.


 


Given how lucky we would then have to be to avoid seeing a UK trough setup at some point during the period of high latitude blocking, I'm looking on it as a pre-emtive counteraction; a spell of nice weather to balance against some unpleasant weather thereafter.


That's not to say that such is destined to unfold - we could be lucky after all. The point is that by expecting it to go markedly downhill afterwards, it will be all the more satisfying if it doesn't  


 


So with that in mind, I really hope that tonight's trend for days 5-9 holds  


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Matty H
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25 March 2014 07:44:59

ECM seems to be going out on a limb with the clean full blown easterly. We need to see GFS on board.

Originally Posted by: Sevendust 


For the sake of balance, even at T240 the -5'c 850 hpa line has barely reached the UK.
There appears to an element of ramping creeping in which is related to fairly deep FI by the usual suspects.
If we get to around T120 and that scenario I might be interested but at that time we have a mild push from the SE on ECM.
The trend to northern blocking remains but it could manifest a number of set-ups down the lineUserPostedImage

Originally Posted by: The Beast from the East 



Something that Gusty alluded to the other day. Shame really as it does, indeed, drive people out of this thread, as he mentioned.

Lovely warming trend in the GFS ens this morning right out to the middle of next week after this current cooler, albeit just average for the time of year for many, blip.
doctormog
25 March 2014 07:53:38

ECM seems to be going out on a limb with the clean full blown easterly. We need to see GFS on board.

Originally Posted by: Matty H 


For the sake of balance, even at T240 the -5'c 850 hpa line has barely reached the UK.
There appears to an element of ramping creeping in which is related to fairly deep FI by the usual suspects.
If we get to around T120 and that scenario I might be interested but at that time we have a mild push from the SE on ECM.
The trend to northern blocking remains but it could manifest a number of set-ups down the lineUserPostedImage

Originally Posted by: Sevendust 



Something that Gusty alluded to the other day. Shame really as it does, indeed, drive people out of this thread, as he mentioned.

Lovely warming trend in the GFS ens this morning right out to the middle of next week after this current cooler, albeit just average for the time of year for many, blip.

Originally Posted by: The Beast from the East 



You're definitely in the right place based on the outlook. You and much of the south generally hould see some lovely warm conditions [sn_cool] meanwhile here in the NE....[sn_dead]

It looks like generally anticyclonic conditions may be the form horse but with a SEly flow off the N Sea it is likely to be cool grey and chilly here. No sign of the repeat of the winter deluges though thankfully.


The Beast from the East
25 March 2014 08:20:57

Shame really as it does, indeed, drive people out of this thread.

Originally Posted by: Matty H 


Why would a purely model related observation drive someone out of a thread. Everyone is entitled to their opinion.


Anyway, back OT, and ECM has backed off the cold scenario which will please you


 


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Matty H
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25 March 2014 09:00:44

Shame really as it does, indeed, drive people out of this thread.

Originally Posted by: The Beast from the East 


Why would a purely model related observation drive someone out of a thread. Everyone is entitled to their opinion.
Anyway, back OT, andECM has backed off the cold scenario which will please you

Originally Posted by: Matty H 



Because I have pms that say so, and certain others that bring it up regularly on Facebook.

Anyway, as you say, back on topic...
Scandy 1050 MB
25 March 2014 09:41:18


Shame really as it does, indeed, drive people out of this thread.

Originally Posted by: The Beast from the East 


Why would a purely model related observation drive someone out of a thread. Everyone is entitled to their opinion.


Anyway, back OT, and ECM has backed off the cold scenario which will please you


 


Originally Posted by: Matty H 


GEM in FI going for yesterday's ECM though:


 


http://www.meteociel.fr/modeles/geme_cartes.php?&ech=240&mode=0&carte=0


 


GEM is often prone to this though in going for colder conditions only to back off, however still a long way off so no doubt there will be some further changes before we reach that time frame. At the moment based on the ECM / GFS it does look like the cold will stay in Europe and we will be warmer than currently.

Sevendust
25 March 2014 11:18:22



Shame really as it does, indeed, drive people out of this thread.

Originally Posted by: Scandy 1050 MB 


Why would a purely model related observation drive someone out of a thread. Everyone is entitled to their opinion.


Anyway, back OT, and ECM has backed off the cold scenario which will please you


 


Originally Posted by: The Beast from the East 


GEM in FI going for yesterday's ECM though:


 


http://www.meteociel.fr/modeles/geme_cartes.php?&ech=240&mode=0&carte=0


 


GEM is often prone to this though in going for colder conditions only to back off, however still a long way off so no doubt there will be some further changes before we reach that time frame. At the moment based on the ECM / GFS it does look like the cold will stay in Europe and we will be warmer than currently.


Originally Posted by: Matty H 


The problem remains that the intitial cold air from this last weekend is being modified as warmer air and ambient conditions erode it. The trend in mid-term is for a more SE input and hence warmer uppers. If, and its a big one, cold air can feed down into eastern Europe from the north then there may be some reasonable cold to tap into. 


Additional factors are that SST's are significantly higher than this time last year so modification will be greater and these events are still way into FI if they should occur

Stormchaser
25 March 2014 11:23:40

On Wednesday night, dew points are shown by GFS to fall to around freezing, with a bit of precipitation about giving some sleet and snow in places... EURO-4 is close for midnight, but not quite there, so I wouldn't take it too seriously - a wintry mix is possible, but the vast majority of people are unlikely to notice it unless for some reason they were up lampost watching!


 


By contrast, we're still on course for a decent sort of weekend for England and Wales, in fact GFS has edged towards ECM in showing slightly higher 850hPa temps and 2m temps widely into the mid teens Saturday, high teens Sunday 


This carries further on the GFS 06z op, all the way to the end of higher-res, in fact it warms up a bit more too.


The 00z GFS op was similar for Mon-Tue, but Saturday saw a frontal system far east enough to hold back the warm-up for the west until Sunday, with the far SW struggling to see much of a rise until Monday.


Both op runs are not bad through FI, with some unsettled spells but plenty of dry weather too, and temperatures mostly (the exception being a few days on the 00z) above average 


 


The ECM 00z op tells a similar story to the 06z GFS op, but with more of an emphasis on unsettled by day 10, with the chance of some reasonable convective activity 


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Gavin P
25 March 2014 13:51:41

Hi all,


Here's today's video update:


April Blocking And South Korean Model Update;


http://www.gavsweathervids.com


Quite a lot to talk about today.


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ARTzeman
25 March 2014 14:47:33

Thanks Gavin.. A start on the cool side...






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Charmhills
25 March 2014 17:24:46


Hi all,


Here's today's video update:


April Blocking And South Korean Model Update;


http://www.gavsweathervids.com


Quite a lot to talk about today.


Originally Posted by: Gavin P 


Cheers Gav.


A bit mixed than.


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briggsy6
25 March 2014 21:42:33

Well the head of the Met Office has predicted that the future UK climate will consist of "all sorts". Hmm. Delicious. I'm hoping for lots of those round, yellow ones with the liquorice centre.


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Hungry Tiger
25 March 2014 22:15:47


Well the head of the Met Office has predicted that the future UK climate will consist of "all sorts".


Originally Posted by: briggsy6 


That's not new really. Its always like that.


 


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