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sriram
20 March 2014 20:27:59
Thanks Gavin

It's Sod's law that we get a scandy high now - but absolutely nothing dec to feb !!
Sriram
Sedgley, West Midlands ( just south of Wolverhampton )
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Medlock Vale Weather
20 March 2014 21:16:14

Check out Wick on the temp tab.... currently -25C the cold really digging down tonight 


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David M Porter
20 March 2014 23:35:57


Both GFS and ECM seem to be suggesting a Scandi-based high around 144 - and it does seem to be an increasing pattern over recent runs.  No real cold pool to tap into if it comes off though.


Originally Posted by: jamesthemonkeh 


At least it will be (mostly) dry!


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Gusty
21 March 2014 06:24:35

http://www.theweatheroutlook.com/charts/gefs/gefsens850London0.png


It's looking like a cool and relatively dry period of weather coming up. Hopefully High Pressure will become established over the UK in time to give the daytimes a springlike feel in lights winds and any sunshine. 


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Andy Woodcock
21 March 2014 08:23:31
Models really firming up on a scandy high later next week but with little cold air to rap into it will not be cold, however, scandy highs in early April can bring some nice weather here so for those of us in the NW it would be a good result.

Surely the MetO must pick up on this in their MRF today instead of issuing the bog standard 'best weather in the south' outlook every 24 hours.

I see the new MetO chief will be earning £200,000 a year, I hope the quality of his forecast reflect that ridiculous salary!

Andy
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Cumbria

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Stormchaser
21 March 2014 08:55:57

So for next week in the south, it's looking like below average temperatures (but perhaps not by all that much), a few slow moving but fairly weak frontal systems, and occasional showers.


Further north, its looking more settled from Tuesday, and potentially quite pleasant in places with light winds - but that depends on how clear the skies are, of course!


 


The setup is a fairly common occurence in March, with easterlies nearly always on the menu at some point or other.


 


What may happen afterwards is starting to catch my eye a bit now - the models are being consistent in signalling a marked drop in pressure across the Mediterranean and Spain in particular, with instabillity across N. Africa generating a trough laden with warm air, which then drifts up across the Med. and stalls out.


That setup could generate quite interesting conditions across the south of the UK in particular, with a generally warm airflow and above average temperatures, but also areas of instabillity having some influence at times at least, generating some convective activity with the chance of continental imports.


Having said that, past experience points towards the trough being corrected to a weaker feature, with the UK high and dry - in fact we sometimes get prolonged spells of stable conditions from that sort of setup.


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Gavin P
21 March 2014 13:16:31

Hi all,


Here's today's video update;


JMA Friday + April-May Look-Ahead;


http://www.gavsweathervids.com


After a very warm start to 2014 I think we may be entering a cooler phase?


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Dougie
21 March 2014 14:11:03

Thanks Gavin


Ha'way the lads
Solar Cycles
21 March 2014 16:28:06

Models really firming up on a scandy high later next week but with little cold air to rap into it will not be cold, however, scandy highs in early April can bring some nice weather here so for those of us in the NW it would be a good result.

Surely the MetO must pick up on this in their MRF today instead of issuing the bog standard 'best weather in the south' outlook every 24 hours.

I see the new MetO chief will be earning £200,000 a year, I hope the quality of his forecast reflect that ridiculous salary!

Andy

Originally Posted by: Andy Woodcock 


Lol, I'll dig out that tin hat if I was you Andy as those MetO fanboys will be on your case pretty soon. Joking aside I think they've been pretty good with the MRF for the last couple of years. it still doesn't justify the big chief earning more than the PM though, all at the taxpayers expense as well. :)
Gooner
21 March 2014 17:40:09

Models really firming up on a scandy high later next week but with little cold air to rap into it will not be cold, however, scandy highs in early April can bring some nice weather here so for those of us in the NW it would be a good result.

Surely the MetO must pick up on this in their MRF today instead of issuing the bog standard 'best weather in the south' outlook every 24 hours.

I see the new MetO chief will be earning £200,000 a year, I hope the quality of his forecast reflect that ridiculous salary!

Andy

Originally Posted by: Solar Cycles 


Lol, I'll dig out that tin hat if I was you Andy as those MetO fanboys will be on your case pretty soon. Joking aside I think they've been pretty good with the MRF for the last couple of years. it still doesn't justify the big chief earning more than the PM though, all at the taxpayers expense as well. :)

Originally Posted by: Andy Woodcock 


That's what Rooney earns in 4 days , so it seems to be a reasonable salary


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Banbury
North Oxfordshire
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Charmhills
21 March 2014 17:46:08


Hi all,


Here's today's video update;


JMA Friday + April-May Look-Ahead;


http://www.gavsweathervids.com


After a very warm start to 2014 I think we may be entering a cooler phase?


Originally Posted by: Gavin P 


Cheers Gav.


Thats one of the straightest lines you're ever drown on the temp graph.


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Stormchaser
21 March 2014 18:52:54


Hi all,


Here's today's video update;


JMA Friday + April-May Look-Ahead;


http://www.gavsweathervids.com


After a very warm start to 2014 I think we may be entering a cooler phase?


Originally Posted by: Gavin P 


Cheers as always Gavin 


 


I hope you don't mind if I quickly sum up my own, slightly different angle on things:


The JMA ensemble mean clearly has more members placing low pressure right by the UK rather than to the south and NW with a ridge in between. Looking at the ECM 00z ensemble mean, the low anomaly on day 10 is more focused to the NW with a ridge close to our east. The GEFS 12z mean is very similar for the same timeframe.


They all show a fair risk of seeing some Atlantic influence, but ECM and GFS leave room for ridges from the SW to move across the UK and continue on eastward - this is being reflected in recent operational runs.


 


I think that the orientation of low and high pressure anomalies on the ensemble means, even the JMA, could allow us to be on the warmer side of the jet at times, feeling the effects of either tropical maritime or continental air. CFS looks a bit bonkers, and for some reason the chart you have differs greatly from this:


http://www.cpc.ncep.noaa.gov/products/people/wwang/cfsv2fcst/imagesInd3/glbz700MonInd1.gif


...which shows a tendency for Atlantic westerlies, often rather unsettled but not too chilly out of the rain, with transient settled spells possible as ridges move through from the SW between low pressure systems.




The overall trend across the models does seem to be towards the mean trough locating somewhere south of Greenland or Iceland, with high pressure not far to the east of the UK. This signals near average temperatures and changeable conditions.


 


Finally, a comment on the May outlook - this time the chart you show is similar to my usual source:


http://www.cpc.ncep.noaa.gov/products/people/wwang/cfsv2fcst/imagesInd3/glbz700MonInd2.gif


...but to me it shows a setup that could place the UK on the warm side of the jet stream, with a good chance of seeing imports of warm air drawn up from the Mediterranean. Low pressure areas would likely track across the UK at times, so we'd see some rather cool spells too - but overall I'm seeing a slightly warmer than average month there.


 


I figure I may as well have a copy of this both here and in the seasonal thread, given how quiet both are at the moment 


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Adrian W
21 March 2014 21:43:00

Models really firming up on a scandy high later next week but with little cold air to rap into it will not be cold, however, scandy highs in early April can bring some nice weather here so for those of us in the NW it would be a good result.

Surely the MetO must pick up on this in their MRF today instead of issuing the bog standard 'best weather in the south' outlook every 24 hours.

I see the new MetO chief will be earning £200,000 a year, I hope the quality of his forecast reflect that ridiculous salary!

Andy

Originally Posted by: Solar Cycles 


Lol, I'll dig out that tin hat if I was you Andy as those MetO fanboys will be on your case pretty soon. Joking aside I think they've been pretty good with the MRF for the last couple of years. it still doesn't justify the big chief earning more than the PM though, all at the taxpayers expense as well. :)

Originally Posted by: Andy Woodcock 


 


I don't post in here very often and I'm sorry this is off topic but just wanted to make sure you (and others) aware that the Met Office operates as a trading fund and has to return a profit through the selling of services on a commercial basis. 


When it comes to the CE salary you get what you pay for and to find some suitable I expect they are having to compete against the pay scales of that of private commercial companies in order to get someone who will continue to deliver a growth in revenue and operating profit.


The time you take off the £76,127 in income tax and £7,231 in national insurance your only really talking about £115k. For a job (by the very nature of being CE) with high stress, working 60-70 hours a week, being on call at all times, in the public eye, I'm not sure I'd want to do it! The adverts been out for over a year now. 


 


 


 

Solar Cycles
22 March 2014 08:26:28


Models really firming up on a scandy high later next week but with little cold air to rap into it will not be cold, however, scandy highs in early April can bring some nice weather here so for those of us in the NW it would be a good result.

Surely the MetO must pick up on this in their MRF today instead of issuing the bog standard 'best weather in the south' outlook every 24 hours.

I see the new MetO chief will be earning £200,000 a year, I hope the quality of his forecast reflect that ridiculous salary!

Andy

Originally Posted by: Adrian W 


Lol, I'll dig out that tin hat if I was you Andy as those MetO fanboys will be on your case pretty soon. Joking aside I think they've been pretty good with the MRF for the last couple of years. it still doesn't justify the big chief earning more than the PM though, all at the taxpayers expense as well. :)

Originally Posted by: Solar Cycles 


 


I don't post in here very often and I'm sorry this is off topic but just wanted to make sure you (and others) aware that the Met Office operates as a trading fund and has to return a profit through the selling of services on a commercial basis. 


When it comes to the CE salary you get what you pay for and to find some suitable I expect they are having to compete against the pay scales of that of private commercial companies in order to get someone who will continue to deliver a growth in revenue and operating profit.


The time you take off the £76,127 in income tax and £7,231 in national insurance your only really talking about £115k. For a job (by the very nature of being CE) with high stress, working 60-70 hours a week, being on call at all times, in the public eye, I'm not sure I'd want to do it! The adverts been out for over a year now. 


 


 


 


Originally Posted by: Andy Woodcock 

All CE jobs are stressful Adrian and require long working hours, very few are funded by the taxpayer though, but I agree on the excellent job they do with their short and medium range forecasting.

Andy Woodcock
22 March 2014 08:45:09

Models really firming up on a scandy high later next week but with little cold air to rap into it will not be cold, however, scandy highs in early April can bring some nice weather here so for those of us in the NW it would be a good result.

Surely the MetO must pick up on this in their MRF today instead of issuing the bog standard 'best weather in the south' outlook every 24 hours.

I see the new MetO chief will be earning £200,000 a year, I hope the quality of his forecast reflect that ridiculous salary!

Andy

Originally Posted by: Adrian W 


Lol, I'll dig out that tin hat if I was you Andy as those MetO fanboys will be on your case pretty soon. Joking aside I think they've been pretty good with the MRF for the last couple of years. it still doesn't justify the big chief earning more than the PM though, all at the taxpayers expense as well. :)

Originally Posted by: Solar Cycles 



I don't post in here very often and I'm sorry this is off topic but just wanted to make sure you (and others) aware that the Met Office operates as a trading fund and has to return a profit through the selling of services on a commercial basis.
When it comes to the CE salary you get what you pay for and to find some suitable I expect they are having to compete against the pay scales of that of private commercial companies in order to get someone who will continue to deliver a growth in revenue and operating profit.
The time you take off the£76,127 in income tax and£7,231 in national insurance your only really talking about £115k. For a job (by the very nature of being CE) with high stress, working 60-70 hours a week, being on call at all times, in the public eye, I'm not sure I'd want to do it! The adverts been out for over a year now.


Originally Posted by: Andy Woodcock 



Bankers use the same argument to justify their massive bonus's and I find it incredible that anyone can defend or justify a salary higher than that for the Prime Minister!

Many people work long hours for little pay and paying very large salaries does not mean you will get the right person - far from it.

Anyway back on topic and models still all calling for high pressure next weekend which could bring some fine weather to the north and west, beyond that GFS FI is a horror with a UK through and northern blocking.

We reeeeeeally do not want to see that.

Andy

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Cumbria

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The Beast from the East
22 March 2014 12:11:19

Interesting 06z for coldies with the high better positioned and retrogressing. We had no snow this winter, but perhaps we might see a flake in April!


 


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Gooner
22 March 2014 12:22:51


Interesting 06z for coldies with the high better positioned and retrogressing. We had no snow this winter, but perhaps we might see a flake in April!


 


Originally Posted by: The Beast from the East 


http://modeles.meteociel.fr/modeles/gfs/runs/2014032206/gfsnh-0-276.png?6


Day before my birthday, now that would be funny


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Banbury
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Karl Guille
22 March 2014 15:20:32
Only just got my laptop back today after some four months without it! Did I miss much? I had access through my iPad but just couldn't summons up the interest to say much with such poor charts. So now what do I see, a five day easterly on the cards for the end of March. Now why doesn't that surprise me?
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Hungry Tiger
22 March 2014 15:42:37



Interesting 06z for coldies with the high better positioned and retrogressing. We had no snow this winter, but perhaps we might see a flake in April!


 


Originally Posted by: Gooner 


http://modeles.meteociel.fr/modeles/gfs/runs/2014032206/gfsnh-0-276.png?6


Day before my birthday, now that would be funny


Originally Posted by: The Beast from the East 


Good heavens.


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moomin75
22 March 2014 16:34:04




Interesting 06z for coldies with the high better positioned and retrogressing. We had no snow this winter, but perhaps we might see a flake in April!


 


Originally Posted by: Hungry Tiger 


http://modeles.meteociel.fr/modeles/gfs/runs/2014032206/gfsnh-0-276.png?6


Day before my birthday, now that would be funny


Originally Posted by: Gooner 


Good heavens.


Originally Posted by: The Beast from the East 

Thankfully the 12z is (not surprisingly) totally different with a warm south easterly at the same time....


Thankfully, FI never verifies so Marcus you will hopefully be out of luck for your birthday and we will have something slightly more springlike.


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doctormog
22 March 2014 16:43:41




Interesting 06z for coldies with the high better positioned and retrogressing. We had no snow this winter, but perhaps we might see a flake in April!

Originally Posted by: moomin75 


http://modeles.meteociel.fr/modeles/gfs/runs/2014032206/gfsnh-0-276.png?6 
Day before my birthday, now that would be funny UserPostedImage

Originally Posted by: Hungry Tiger 


Good heavens. UserPostedImageUserPostedImageUserPostedImage

Originally Posted by: Gooner 

Thankfully the 12z is (not surprisingly) totally different with a warm south easterly at the same time....
Thankfully, FI never verifies so Marcus you will hopefully be out of luck for your birthday and we will have something slightly more springlike.

Originally Posted by: The Beast from the East 



So what you're saying is that there won't be a warm south easterly either?💤 😝
moomin75
22 March 2014 16:49:36

Interesting 06z for coldies with the high better positioned and retrogressing. We had no snow this winter, but perhaps we might see a flake in April!

Originally Posted by: doctormog 

http://modeles.meteociel.fr/modeles/gfs/runs/2014032206/gfsnh-0-276.png?6  Day before my birthday, now that would be funny UserPostedImage

Originally Posted by: moomin75 

Good heavens. UserPostedImageUserPostedImageUserPostedImage

Originally Posted by: Hungry Tiger 

Thankfully the 12z is (not surprisingly) totally different with a warm south easterly at the same time.... Thankfully, FI never verifies so Marcus you will hopefully be out of luck for your birthday and we will have something slightly more springlike.

Originally Posted by: Gooner 

So what you're saying is that there won't be a warm south easterly either?💤 😝

Originally Posted by: The Beast from the East 


Yes I'm saying we won't get either.


Witney, Oxfordshire
100m ASL
Stormchaser
22 March 2014 18:55:34

With the broad-scale signal from long range models generally being for the jet to track well south of normal, but with higher than average heights in close proximity to the E and NE, or over more northern parts of the UK, we are likely to walk a fine line between decent weather and miserable weather.


The GFS 12z holds the Atlantic far enough W and SW to leave us in good shape; temps in the mid-teens by day, a few showers but nothing too bothersome, and at times unusually slack conditions which would allow it to feel very nice in any sunshine.


This is far more in line with the ECM 00z operational output than the 00z and 06z GFS op runs were. So it seems that there is a consensus for the UK to get lucky... but it's still at far enough range that a shift in the mean trough location towards us is very much a possibility - cross your fingers and hope that we don't see such a thing... unless you like unsettled conditions in April, that is!


 


Obviously I wouldn't mind if the trough got close to our west/southwest at times and generated some decent convective setups  ... but ideally they would need to occur with long enough dry intervals in between to prevent flooding issues!


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Medlock Vale Weather
22 March 2014 19:25:20

The beast lurking to the east but very late in the season. 


http://www.meteociel.fr/modeles/ecmwf/runs/2014032212/ECM0-240.GIF?22-0


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David M Porter
22 March 2014 19:37:31


The beast lurking to the east but very late in the season. 


http://www.meteociel.fr/modeles/ecmwf/runs/2014032212/ECM0-240.GIF?22-0


Originally Posted by: Medlock Vale Weather 


Which leaves one asking where was it during the last three months when many people wanted it to make an appearance!


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