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SEMerc
23 June 2014 17:52:17


Netherlands vs Chile coming up. Now this is a game I've been looking forward to.


Of course, it could end up being totally pants.


Originally Posted by: Matty H 



Well you certainly drew the curtains over this one.

Originally Posted by: SEMerc 


I feel like the Ghanaian witchdoctor.

David M Porter
23 June 2014 19:15:05


So somewhat a timeout for me this weekend as I was getting a bit of a World Cup burnout.  My ESPN app on the TV is delayed by about 1 minutes to live broadcast so yesterday I could do some gardening at same time as watching the game.  Every time I would hear my neighbours cheer/shout/moan* (delete as apppropriate) I would duck my head insode and see the replay, a kind of live highlights viewing of the game.


As for England, I think there are several causes/solutions identified in this thread, all of which have merit in some way or other. Certainly, we have the talent coming through at youth level, and it is really about how do we get them to kick on and become first teamers at their clubs and also stop clubs from monopolising youth to prevent competition. Some of the key considerations:


1. Limits on foreigners in match day squads and first XI for the game.


2. Exposue of various football styles (time abroad?).


3. Eradicate fear of failure.


4. Instilled pride of pulling the national shirt on.  Look at other global superstars. Many of them are earning megabucks but still want to perform for their national sides and wear the countries shirt.


5. Salary caps.


6. Tough penalties for teams that break the rules. None of this 'wishy washy can't hurt the elite clubs but can shaft the smaller ones as much as we like' attitudes.  This may also make the leagues more competitive and narrow the widening gap between the rich and poor. Let's face it, most of our supported teams (mine included -Leeds) will never compete competitively at the top of the Premier League again.


I am sure there are a bunch more ideas touched up on that I have missed but it is clear that no single measure will work in isolation, it has to be a whole and holistic redefinition of football in England.  No-one has the stomach for it and sadly, the status quo will remain.  Yours sincerely, A well and truly jaded football fan.


Originally Posted by: Lumi-Ukko 


Sums up my own feelings nicely.

Lenzie, Glasgow

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pnepaul
23 June 2014 19:24:24



So somewhat a timeout for me this weekend as I was getting a bit of a World Cup burnout.  My ESPN app on the TV is delayed by about 1 minutes to live broadcast so yesterday I could do some gardening at same time as watching the game.  Every time I would hear my neighbours cheer/shout/moan* (delete as apppropriate) I would duck my head insode and see the replay, a kind of live highlights viewing of the game.


As for England, I think there are several causes/solutions identified in this thread, all of which have merit in some way or other. Certainly, we have the talent coming through at youth level, and it is really about how do we get them to kick on and become first teamers at their clubs and also stop clubs from monopolising youth to prevent competition. Some of the key considerations:


1. Limits on foreigners in match day squads and first XI for the game.


2. Exposue of various football styles (time abroad?).


3. Eradicate fear of failure.


4. Instilled pride of pulling the national shirt on.  Look at other global superstars. Many of them are earning megabucks but still want to perform for their national sides and wear the countries shirt.


5. Salary caps.


6. Tough penalties for teams that break the rules. None of this 'wishy washy can't hurt the elite clubs but can shaft the smaller ones as much as we like' attitudes.  This may also make the leagues more competitive and narrow the widening gap between the rich and poor. Let's face it, most of our supported teams (mine included -Leeds) will never compete competitively at the top of the Premier League again.


I am sure there are a bunch more ideas touched up on that I have missed but it is clear that no single measure will work in isolation, it has to be a whole and holistic redefinition of football in England.  No-one has the stomach for it and sadly, the status quo will remain.  Yours sincerely, A well and truly jaded football fan.


Originally Posted by: David M Porter 


Sums up my own feelings nicely.


Originally Posted by: Lumi-Ukko 


None of which will happen while we have foreign ownership of many of our top clubs who care little for the national team. Who buy players, many of whom are glorified mercanries.. They buy them for short term success in the cash cow aka the "champions" league. They also want short term for their fly by night fans both home and abroad. Rant over 

Medlock Vale Weather
23 June 2014 19:25:30

Going to go for a Brazil win later, whilst they themselves haven't been that impressive so far I think they still be too much for Cameroon who have performed worse than England and that's saying something!

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howham
23 June 2014 19:29:52
Is it wrong that part of me wants Brazil to go out tonight?
Lumi-Ukko
23 June 2014 19:45:12

Is it wrong that part of me wants Brazil to go out tonight?

Originally Posted by: howham 


Hell no! Me too.


But don't bet your house on it. Fifa will make sure that Brazil get through. Should they be trailing the game, I am sure the referee will suddenly see all those brutal assaults on the Brazilian players. 

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Ally Pally Snowman
23 June 2014 20:13:17
Brazil are definitely dodgy at the back. Can't see them beating either Holland or Chile.
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Matty H
23 June 2014 20:15:44

Is it wrong that part of me wants Brazil to go out tonight?

Originally Posted by: howham 



Wrong? It's essential!
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Ally Pally Snowman
23 June 2014 20:19:50

Brazil are definitely dodgy at the back. Can't see them beating either Holland or Chile.

Originally Posted by: Ally Pally Snowman 




Great finish from Neymar. Looks like brazil v chile 2nd round then that should be some game.

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Medlock Vale Weather
23 June 2014 20:22:03

Later get ready for the Brazilian praise "they are getting better" "one of the favourites again"....completely discounting Cameroon are bottom of the group and haven't even scored a goal in the tournament ! lol 

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Medlock Vale Weather
23 June 2014 20:26:10

LOL!!! Goal for Cameroon

Alan in Medlock Valley - Oldham's frost hollow. 103 metres above sea level.
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Ally Pally Snowman
23 June 2014 20:26:19

Later get ready for the Brazilian praise "they are getting better" "one of the favourites again"....completely discounting Cameroon are bottom of the group and haven't even scored a goal in the tournament ! lol 

Originally Posted by: Medlock Vale Weather 



They have now shocking defending!
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Lumi-Ukko
23 June 2014 21:27:16

Mexico Croatia game is breathless stuff. Very entertaining for a 0-0 (so far).  This Mexico team are a good little outfit going forward.


Edit - no sooner had I written that and Mexico are two goals up. mind, Croatia had to win this game and leaving huge gaps.  Poor goalkeeping to concede the first goal.

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SEMerc
23 June 2014 21:39:24


Mexico Croatia game is breathless stuff. Very entertaining for a 0-0 (so far).  This Mexico team are a good little outfit going forward.


Edit - no sooner had I written that and Mexico are two goals up. mind, Croatia had to win this game and leaving huge gaps.  Poor goalkeeping to concede the first goal.


Originally Posted by: Lumi-Ukko 


Mexico let Croatia come at them in the first half and have slowly stepped up the gears in the second. I wouldn't be surprised to see them beat the Dutch.


EDIT: 3-0.

Ally Pally Snowman
23 June 2014 21:50:39
There really has been an insane amount of goals in thi World Cup. Must be on for the record.
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Matty H
23 June 2014 22:52:12
BBC commentator:

"Fred may well have been offside. Possibly level"

He was clearly at least 6 feet offside. Why can't commentators just call a bad decision. What is it with this constant inability to criticise anything?
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Matty H
23 June 2014 22:55:19

I think Brazil will win it at a canter. In fact I just cannot see anyone else winning it over there. As good a nailed on cert as you can get, in my opinion.

Originally Posted by: Matty H 



I've changed my mind on this. They cannot possibly win it with their defence. It's as poor as England's. In a bit they're going to meet a team they can't outscore.

I'm starting to believe Germany could be the first European side to win a World Cup in South America.
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SEMerc
23 June 2014 22:56:15

BBC commentator:

"Fred may well have been offside. Possibly level"

He was clearly at least 6 feet offside. Why can't commentators just call a bad decision. What is it with this constant inability to criticise anything?

Originally Posted by: Matty H 


I didn't watch the match but heard his reaction to Brazil's goals. I rapidly concluded he had one hand on the mike and the other where the sun doesn't shine. Disgracefully fawning.

SydneyonTees
23 June 2014 22:57:14


So somewhat a timeout for me this weekend as I was getting a bit of a World Cup burnout.  My ESPN app on the TV is delayed by about 1 minutes to live broadcast so yesterday I could do some gardening at same time as watching the game.  Every time I would hear my neighbours cheer/shout/moan* (delete as apppropriate) I would duck my head insode and see the replay, a kind of live highlights viewing of the game.


As for England, I think there are several causes/solutions identified in this thread, all of which have merit in some way or other. Certainly, we have the talent coming through at youth level, and it is really about how do we get them to kick on and become first teamers at their clubs and also stop clubs from monopolising youth to prevent competition. Some of the key considerations:


1. Limits on foreigners in match day squads and first XI for the game.


2. Exposue of various football styles (time abroad?).


3. Eradicate fear of failure.


4. Instilled pride of pulling the national shirt on.  Look at other global superstars. Many of them are earning megabucks but still want to perform for their national sides and wear the countries shirt.


5. Salary caps.


6. Tough penalties for teams that break the rules. None of this 'wishy washy can't hurt the elite clubs but can shaft the smaller ones as much as we like' attitudes.  This may also make the leagues more competitive and narrow the widening gap between the rich and poor. Let's face it, most of our supported teams (mine included -Leeds) will never compete competitively at the top of the Premier League again.


 


Originally Posted by: Lumi-Ukko 


 


Good post Lumi. Just about how you watch the games in USA. Dont you have a geo-unblocker installed? I have one of these installed (at a very small monthly subscription) on my laptop and on my smart TV. This basically means that the computer / TV seem to be in the UK for all UK geoblocked content.


I can watch BBC and ITV live on my computer and TV and have full access to the BBC and ITV iplayer's and 4oD plus any others.


My TV veiwing access is pretty much exactly that of the UK.


You can get free packages like Expat Shield of Hola but I found them too unreliable. All the world cup games I have watched have been ITV and BBC.


 


 

SydneyonTees
23 June 2014 23:16:07




So somewhat a timeout for me this weekend as I was getting a bit of a World Cup burnout.  My ESPN app on the TV is delayed by about 1 minutes to live broadcast so yesterday I could do some gardening at same time as watching the game.  Every time I would hear my neighbours cheer/shout/moan* (delete as apppropriate) I would duck my head insode and see the replay, a kind of live highlights viewing of the game.


As for England, I think there are several causes/solutions identified in this thread, all of which have merit in some way or other. Certainly, we have the talent coming through at youth level, and it is really about how do we get them to kick on and become first teamers at their clubs and also stop clubs from monopolising youth to prevent competition. Some of the key considerations:


1. Limits on foreigners in match day squads and first XI for the game.


2. Exposue of various football styles (time abroad?).


3. Eradicate fear of failure.


4. Instilled pride of pulling the national shirt on.  Look at other global superstars. Many of them are earning megabucks but still want to perform for their national sides and wear the countries shirt.


5. Salary caps.


6. Tough penalties for teams that break the rules. None of this 'wishy washy can't hurt the elite clubs but can shaft the smaller ones as much as we like' attitudes.  This may also make the leagues more competitive and narrow the widening gap between the rich and poor. Let's face it, most of our supported teams (mine included -Leeds) will never compete competitively at the top of the Premier League again.


 


Originally Posted by: SEMerc 


 


Good post Lumi. Just about how you watch the games in USA. Dont you have a geo-unblocker installed? I have one of these installed (at a very small monthly subscription) on my laptop and on my smart TV. This basically means that the computer / TV seem to be in the UK for all UK geoblocked content.


I can watch BBC and ITV live on my computer and TV and have full access to the BBC and ITV iplayer's and 4oD plus any others.


My TV veiwing access is pretty much exactly that of the UK.


You can get free packages like Expat Shield of Hola but I found them too unreliable. All the world cup games I have watched have been ITV and BBC.


 


 


Originally Posted by: SydneyonTees 


Why pay at all? Hola is free of charge.


Originally Posted by: Lumi-Ukko 


Two reasons, not so long ago the BBC found them out and blocked Hola from accessing the BBC. Hola spends a lot of time and effort stopping that happening but often fail.


I also found it unrelaible here in Australia.


Now I pay probably around $20 a year for a much better service that maintains full access to all UK TV live and iplayer content.

Matty H
23 June 2014 23:19:23
Robben's after game interview is impressive. Grounded, humble and realistic.
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SEMerc
24 June 2014 00:53:00

So farewell Frank. Your last game for England will hopefully? probably? be Tuesday afternoon against Costa Rica.


When I think of your international legacy I think of the implementation of goal line technology.


That is all.

SydneyonTees
24 June 2014 03:57:38

Where is Wallaw (Ian) these days? He alway had something worthwhile to say about football.

ARTzeman
24 June 2014 07:26:48

Holland was good ...at the end.....





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David M Porter
24 June 2014 08:46:34

I think Brazil will win it at a canter. In fact I just cannot see anyone else winning it over there. As good a nailed on cert as you can get, in my opinion.

Originally Posted by: Matty H 



I've changed my mind on this. They cannot possibly win it with their defence. It's as poor as England's. In a bit they're going to meet a team they can't outscore.

I'm starting to believe Germany could be the first European side to win a World Cup in South America.

Originally Posted by: Matty H 


That's been their undoing before, famously back in '82 when virtually all the pundits at the time reckoned Brazil were an almost certainty to win it.


The Germans are great going forward, but that said I'm not so sure about their defence either after watching their game against Ghana. Will be interesting to see how their game against the USA pans out with Klinsmann facing his own countrymen.

Lenzie, Glasgow

"Let us not take ourselves too seriously. None of us has a monopoly on wisdom, and we must always be ready to listen and respect other points of view."- Queen Elizabeth II 1926-2022

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