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Hungry Tiger
02 July 2014 21:24:15


 


Last time I looked at the models which was earlier on today, I really hope that was GFS having a bit of a strop because the output for next Wednesday does look seriously crap over the South East on Wednesday. Rain coming in from the north east with fresh NE winds causing temperatures struggling to get up to 13 C at noon time.
  I'm going to have an afternoon 40 winks and when I wake up later, what I got to see in that run was all a bad dream.

*Wakes up*.

Phew, it was a bad dream after all. I must stop putting extra cheese on my usual Wednesday afternoon pizza.



 


 


Originally Posted by: idj20 



I like the way you said all that Ian.


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idj20
02 July 2014 22:54:24



 


Last time I looked at the models which was earlier on today, I really hope that was GFS having a bit of a strop because the output for next Wednesday does look seriously crap over the South East on Wednesday. Rain coming in from the north east with fresh NE winds causing temperatures struggling to get up to 13 C at noon time.
  I'm going to have an afternoon 40 winks and when I wake up later, what I got to see in that run was all a bad dream.

*Wakes up*.

Phew, it was a bad dream after all. I must stop putting extra cheese on my usual Wednesday afternoon pizza.



 


 


Originally Posted by: Hungry Tiger 



I like the way you said all that Ian.


Originally Posted by: idj20 



I think I'm now reliving that bad dream as the GFS chart has flipped back to that rubbish-like scenario for next Wednesday. However, at least ECM is suggesting otherwise so there is no firm agreement at this point.

Of course, it is all a long way off in forecasting terms in any case. 


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bledur
03 July 2014 03:28:10



I was under the impression that the models had 'partially' flipped back his morning and from mid week on next week things were supposedly going to improve in the South at least... ?

Originally Posted by: speckledjim 

it is going to be fine next week apart from a few showersespecially the further south and east you are  end of july different story, rain, thunderstorms and generally more unsettled. Mellow


Originally Posted by: bledur 


"end of july a different story" - that's in la la land i.e. who knows what the weather will be like then....


Originally Posted by: cultman1 

no, nobody knows for sure. thats just the general trend of the long range models at the moment. i suppose it is worth bearing in mind but not treating it as a definite forecast.

Scandy 1050 MB
03 July 2014 07:08:40




Someone on Netweather reckons that the BBC have just announced that at 9.58pm every Wednesday the MetO weather presenter will issue a 10 day forecast!


Anyone else heard that?


Should be interesting if true!


Andy


Originally Posted by: Andy Woodcock 


I've heard about this on my twitter feed. Think it's on News Channel.


Originally Posted by: Gavin P 


Yep, just watched it, the 7-10 outlook was a little vague as you would expect but still useful.


Essentially tied in with tonights models, cool and showery north westerly flow, warmer in SE later as AH extends towards UK.


Look forward to the 10 day forecast on 1st December talking about a massive Greenland High and UK on the verge of record cold spell


Andy


Originally Posted by: Andy Woodcock 


Sounds interesting and must remember for next week - could be very useful during Winter,  always good to hear the general thoughts on where things might be heading along with Gavin P's excellent videos of course - JMA Friday is now a tradition!! 


This morning's MO again repeats the pattern of settled weather at times which isn't surprising when you look at the 10 day 500 MB height charts from ECM / GFS with both showing HP dominating NW Europe:


http://mp1.met.psu.edu/~fxg1/ECMWF_0z/hgtcomp.html


Looks very pleasant weather never too hot but not cool either - in other words close to average or slightly above, almost text book Summer weather looking at the 10 day forecast.

GIBBY
03 July 2014 07:13:17

HERE IS MY LATEST ANALYSIS FROM THE OUTPUTS OF THE WEATHER COMPUTER PREDICTION MODELS FOR TWO WEEKS FROM TODAY THURSDAY JULY 3RD 2014.


THE CURRENT GENERAL SITUATION. A ridge of High pressure across the English Channel will slip further South with pressure falling over the UK in association with an active trough approaching NW Britain later.


HEADLINE  Slightly changeable weather especially in the North and East with driest and warmest weather towards the SW.


GFS The GFS operational today shows Low pressure to the North and NE weakening early next week with early showers becoming more restricted to  Eastern areas by midweek or soon afterwards as a slack NNW flow slowly gives way to a ridge of High pressure slipping down from the NW. Thereafter a ridge will never be far from South and SW Britain with bright and dry conditions here and just patchy rain at times in the North and NE. The Ensembles are broadly similar with a large High to the West and SW restricting the most showery interventions towards the East and NE while West and SW remains best with regard to sunny spells and warmth.


UKMO UKMO closes it's morning run today showing a slack WNW flow over the UK with variable cloud and the risk of the odd shower more likely towards the North and NE in temperatures close to average or a fraction above in the sunnier SW.


GEM The GEM operational today is showing West or NW winds dominant over the UK next week and into the weekend. Pressure remains relatively high towards the SW with the best conditions here while Northern and some Eastern parts see some intermittent showers and these could extend elsewhere at times.


NAVGEM NAVGEM shows a slack North or NW flow around High pressure to the SW. In a shallow slack flow embedded showery troughs could sink South down Eastern Britain in particular in temperatures under a Northerly flow somewhat suppressed but not overly cool.


ECM The ECM operational this morning is not good for next week as the week looks changeable and cooler than of late with several interventions of Low pressure slipping down from the NW across the UK with some rain and showers for all. It's not until late in the run that a slow recovery in conditions under the Azores High gradually edges NE into Britain though even at Day 10 such an improvement proves tentative.


MY THOUGHTS  Taking the output this morning as a whole it appears that there is a high probability that the weather will become quite benign across the UK in association with High pressure anchored to the SW of the UK. All models show this as a permanent feature through the period with differing versions on the extent that this High has over the weather in the UK still proving hard to pin down. This morning most output hold it just too far away to guarantee dry weather with the door always ajar to allow some troughs to swing down Northern and Eastern parts in particular enhancing the risk of rain. Temperatures though reasonable look suppressed by the source of the flow being from the North Atlantic and cloud amounts as a result could be rather large at times. The ECM operational today is rather more concerning as it shows a lengthier and more extensive unsettled period for many lasting much of next week but the Ensembles will be more telling from 09:30 on whether this has support from it's group. So all in all a benign period of rather cloudy West or NW winds looks the favoured option this morning with a little rain or showers at times especially but not exclusively across the North and East while the SW should have the best chance of staying dry and bright with average temperatures or a shade above. The UK should stay largely clear of any wide scale chances of severe weather from any weather parameter over the next 10-14 days.


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vince
03 July 2014 07:35:05


HERE IS MY LATEST ANALYSIS FROM THE OUTPUTS OF THE WEATHER COMPUTER PREDICTION MODELS FOR TWO WEEKS FROM TODAY THURSDAY JULY 3RD 2014.


THE CURRENT GENERAL SITUATION. A ridge of High pressure across the English Channel will slip further South with pressure falling over the UK in association with an active trough approaching NW Britain later.


HEADLINE  Slightly changeable weather especially in the North and East with driest and warmest weather towards the SW.


GFS The GFS operational today shows Low pressure to the North and NE weakening early next week with early showers becoming more restricted to  Eastern areas by midweek or soon afterwards as a slack NNW flow slowly gives way to a ridge of High pressure slipping down from the NW. Thereafter a ridge will never be far from South and SW Britain with bright and dry conditions here and just patchy rain at times in the North and NE. The Ensembles are broadly similar with a large High to the West and SW restricting the most showery interventions towards the East and NE while West and SW remains best with regard to sunny spells and warmth.


UKMO UKMO closes it's morning run today showing a slack WNW flow over the UK with variable cloud and the risk of the odd shower more likely towards the North and NE in temperatures close to average or a fraction above in the sunnier SW.


GEM The GEM operational today is showing West or NW winds dominant over the UK next week and into the weekend. Pressure remains relatively high towards the SW with the best conditions here while Northern and some Eastern parts see some intermittent showers and these could extend elsewhere at times.


NAVGEM NAVGEM shows a slack North or NW flow around High pressure to the SW. In a shallow slack flow embedded showery troughs could sink South down Eastern Britain in particular in temperatures under a Northerly flow somewhat suppressed but not overly cool.


ECM The ECM operational this morning is not good for next week as the week looks changeable and cooler than of late with several interventions of Low pressure slipping down from the NW across the UK with some rain and showers for all. It's not until late in the run that a slow recovery in conditions under the Azores High gradually edges NE into Britain though even at Day 10 such an improvement proves tentative.


MY THOUGHTS  Taking the output this morning as a whole it appears that there is a high probability that the weather will become quite benign across the UK in association with High pressure anchored to the SW of the UK. All models show this as a permanent feature through the period with differing versions on the extent that this High has over the weather in the UK still proving hard to pin down. This morning most output hold it just too far away to guarantee dry weather with the door always ajar to allow some troughs to swing down Northern and Eastern parts in particular enhancing the risk of rain. Temperatures though reasonable look suppressed by the source of the flow being from the North Atlantic and cloud amounts as a result could be rather large at times. The ECM operational today is rather more concerning as it shows a lengthier and more extensive unsettled period for many lasting much of next week but the Ensembles will be more telling from 09:30 on whether this has support from it's group. So all in all a benign period of rather cloudy West or NW winds looks the favoured option this morning with a little rain or showers at times especially but not exclusively across the North and East while the SW should have the best chance of staying dry and bright with average temperatures or a shade above. The UK should stay largely clear of any wide scale chances of severe weather from any weather parameter over the next 10-14 days.


Originally Posted by: GIBBY 


 


Great to see the ECM tease continuing , that model is just unbelievable for unstability ,yet it suppose to be the best verifying model ....beats me why ?

David M Porter
03 July 2014 08:31:41



HERE IS MY LATEST ANALYSIS FROM THE OUTPUTS OF THE WEATHER COMPUTER PREDICTION MODELS FOR TWO WEEKS FROM TODAY THURSDAY JULY 3RD 2014.


THE CURRENT GENERAL SITUATION. A ridge of High pressure across the English Channel will slip further South with pressure falling over the UK in association with an active trough approaching NW Britain later.


HEADLINE  Slightly changeable weather especially in the North and East with driest and warmest weather towards the SW.


GFS The GFS operational today shows Low pressure to the North and NE weakening early next week with early showers becoming more restricted to  Eastern areas by midweek or soon afterwards as a slack NNW flow slowly gives way to a ridge of High pressure slipping down from the NW. Thereafter a ridge will never be far from South and SW Britain with bright and dry conditions here and just patchy rain at times in the North and NE. The Ensembles are broadly similar with a large High to the West and SW restricting the most showery interventions towards the East and NE while West and SW remains best with regard to sunny spells and warmth.


UKMO UKMO closes it's morning run today showing a slack WNW flow over the UK with variable cloud and the risk of the odd shower more likely towards the North and NE in temperatures close to average or a fraction above in the sunnier SW.


GEM The GEM operational today is showing West or NW winds dominant over the UK next week and into the weekend. Pressure remains relatively high towards the SW with the best conditions here while Northern and some Eastern parts see some intermittent showers and these could extend elsewhere at times.


NAVGEM NAVGEM shows a slack North or NW flow around High pressure to the SW. In a shallow slack flow embedded showery troughs could sink South down Eastern Britain in particular in temperatures under a Northerly flow somewhat suppressed but not overly cool.


ECM The ECM operational this morning is not good for next week as the week looks changeable and cooler than of late with several interventions of Low pressure slipping down from the NW across the UK with some rain and showers for all. It's not until late in the run that a slow recovery in conditions under the Azores High gradually edges NE into Britain though even at Day 10 such an improvement proves tentative.


MY THOUGHTS  Taking the output this morning as a whole it appears that there is a high probability that the weather will become quite benign across the UK in association with High pressure anchored to the SW of the UK. All models show this as a permanent feature through the period with differing versions on the extent that this High has over the weather in the UK still proving hard to pin down. This morning most output hold it just too far away to guarantee dry weather with the door always ajar to allow some troughs to swing down Northern and Eastern parts in particular enhancing the risk of rain. Temperatures though reasonable look suppressed by the source of the flow being from the North Atlantic and cloud amounts as a result could be rather large at times. The ECM operational today is rather more concerning as it shows a lengthier and more extensive unsettled period for many lasting much of next week but the Ensembles will be more telling from 09:30 on whether this has support from it's group. So all in all a benign period of rather cloudy West or NW winds looks the favoured option this morning with a little rain or showers at times especially but not exclusively across the North and East while the SW should have the best chance of staying dry and bright with average temperatures or a shade above. The UK should stay largely clear of any wide scale chances of severe weather from any weather parameter over the next 10-14 days.


Originally Posted by: vince 


 


Great to see the ECM tease continuing , that model is just unbelievable for unstability ,yet it suppose to be the best verifying model ....beats me why ?


Originally Posted by: GIBBY 


I too have noticed the amount of flips there have been from ECM recently. There has been very little if any run-to-run consistency from it during recent days, which is fairly unusual in my experience.


Lenzie, Glasgow

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Stormchaser
03 July 2014 08:49:44

Owch ECM... a far more active Atlantic flow on that run, compared to all the others, from as early as 96 hours.


I really hope that's barking up the wrong tree, as it would make a total mess of my time in Wales. I'll be content with the 'steadily improving from Tuesday' theme offered by GFS, thank you very much!


 


UKMO has backed down from the more influential trough next week, which offers some hope that something closer to GFS could verify. Same goes for GEM, which is not far off GFS but not quite as decent at the surface, and perhaps represents a realistic halfway house this morning.


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Charmhills
03 July 2014 08:52:13




HERE IS MY LATEST ANALYSIS FROM THE OUTPUTS OF THE WEATHER COMPUTER PREDICTION MODELS FOR TWO WEEKS FROM TODAY THURSDAY JULY 3RD 2014.


THE CURRENT GENERAL SITUATION. A ridge of High pressure across the English Channel will slip further South with pressure falling over the UK in association with an active trough approaching NW Britain later.


HEADLINE  Slightly changeable weather especially in the North and East with driest and warmest weather towards the SW.


GFS The GFS operational today shows Low pressure to the North and NE weakening early next week with early showers becoming more restricted to  Eastern areas by midweek or soon afterwards as a slack NNW flow slowly gives way to a ridge of High pressure slipping down from the NW. Thereafter a ridge will never be far from South and SW Britain with bright and dry conditions here and just patchy rain at times in the North and NE. The Ensembles are broadly similar with a large High to the West and SW restricting the most showery interventions towards the East and NE while West and SW remains best with regard to sunny spells and warmth.


UKMO UKMO closes it's morning run today showing a slack WNW flow over the UK with variable cloud and the risk of the odd shower more likely towards the North and NE in temperatures close to average or a fraction above in the sunnier SW.


GEM The GEM operational today is showing West or NW winds dominant over the UK next week and into the weekend. Pressure remains relatively high towards the SW with the best conditions here while Northern and some Eastern parts see some intermittent showers and these could extend elsewhere at times.


NAVGEM NAVGEM shows a slack North or NW flow around High pressure to the SW. In a shallow slack flow embedded showery troughs could sink South down Eastern Britain in particular in temperatures under a Northerly flow somewhat suppressed but not overly cool.


ECM The ECM operational this morning is not good for next week as the week looks changeable and cooler than of late with several interventions of Low pressure slipping down from the NW across the UK with some rain and showers for all. It's not until late in the run that a slow recovery in conditions under the Azores High gradually edges NE into Britain though even at Day 10 such an improvement proves tentative.


MY THOUGHTS  Taking the output this morning as a whole it appears that there is a high probability that the weather will become quite benign across the UK in association with High pressure anchored to the SW of the UK. All models show this as a permanent feature through the period with differing versions on the extent that this High has over the weather in the UK still proving hard to pin down. This morning most output hold it just too far away to guarantee dry weather with the door always ajar to allow some troughs to swing down Northern and Eastern parts in particular enhancing the risk of rain. Temperatures though reasonable look suppressed by the source of the flow being from the North Atlantic and cloud amounts as a result could be rather large at times. The ECM operational today is rather more concerning as it shows a lengthier and more extensive unsettled period for many lasting much of next week but the Ensembles will be more telling from 09:30 on whether this has support from it's group. So all in all a benign period of rather cloudy West or NW winds looks the favoured option this morning with a little rain or showers at times especially but not exclusively across the North and East while the SW should have the best chance of staying dry and bright with average temperatures or a shade above. The UK should stay largely clear of any wide scale chances of severe weather from any weather parameter over the next 10-14 days.


Originally Posted by: David M Porter 


 


Great to see the ECM tease continuing , that model is just unbelievable for unstability ,yet it suppose to be the best verifying model ....beats me why ?


Originally Posted by: vince 


I too have noticed the amount of flips there have been from ECM recently. There has been very little if any run-to-run consistency from it during recent days, which is fairly unusual in my experience.


Originally Posted by: GIBBY 


Its not as simple as flips David as it one run from its set of EMS of which there are varying options as to weather types.


The ECM generally is still rated the best by the Met/o.


Loughborough, EM.

Knowledge is power, ignorance is weakness.

Duane.
Polar Low
03 July 2014 09:13:13

ECM operational today is rather more concerning as it shows a lengthier and more extensive unsettled period for many lasting much of next week but the Ensembles will be more telling from 09:30 on whether this has support from it's group. So all in all a benign period of rather cloudy West or NW winds looks the favoured option this morning with a little rain or showers at times especially but not exclusively across the North and East while the SW should have the best chance of staying dry and bright with average temperatures or a shade above. The UK should stay largely clear of any wide scale chances of severe weather from any weather parameter over the next 10-14 days.


 


 


ecm mean looks better than the opp   Martin


http://www.meteociel.fr/modeles/ecmwf.php?ech=168&mode=1&map=1&type=1&archive=0


lower heights throu the pole including Grenny with lobe into n/e compared to its opp


http://www.meteociel.fr/modeles/ecmwf.php?ech=168&mode=1&map=1&type=0&archive=0


gm and gfs means at same time


http://www.meteociel.fr/modeles/cmc_cartes.php?code=21&ech=168&mode=0&carte=1


http://www.meteociel.fr/modeles/gefs_cartes.php?code=21&ech=168&mode=0&carte=1


much lower heights throu the pole with much better holding of heights to our n/e 


 


 


 

vince
03 July 2014 09:44:36





HERE IS MY LATEST ANALYSIS FROM THE OUTPUTS OF THE WEATHER COMPUTER PREDICTION MODELS FOR TWO WEEKS FROM TODAY THURSDAY JULY 3RD 2014.


THE CURRENT GENERAL SITUATION. A ridge of High pressure across the English Channel will slip further South with pressure falling over the UK in association with an active trough approaching NW Britain later.


HEADLINE  Slightly changeable weather especially in the North and East with driest and warmest weather towards the SW.


GFS The GFS operational today shows Low pressure to the North and NE weakening early next week with early showers becoming more restricted to  Eastern areas by midweek or soon afterwards as a slack NNW flow slowly gives way to a ridge of High pressure slipping down from the NW. Thereafter a ridge will never be far from South and SW Britain with bright and dry conditions here and just patchy rain at times in the North and NE. The Ensembles are broadly similar with a large High to the West and SW restricting the most showery interventions towards the East and NE while West and SW remains best with regard to sunny spells and warmth.


UKMO UKMO closes it's morning run today showing a slack WNW flow over the UK with variable cloud and the risk of the odd shower more likely towards the North and NE in temperatures close to average or a fraction above in the sunnier SW.


GEM The GEM operational today is showing West or NW winds dominant over the UK next week and into the weekend. Pressure remains relatively high towards the SW with the best conditions here while Northern and some Eastern parts see some intermittent showers and these could extend elsewhere at times.


NAVGEM NAVGEM shows a slack North or NW flow around High pressure to the SW. In a shallow slack flow embedded showery troughs could sink South down Eastern Britain in particular in temperatures under a Northerly flow somewhat suppressed but not overly cool.


ECM The ECM operational this morning is not good for next week as the week looks changeable and cooler than of late with several interventions of Low pressure slipping down from the NW across the UK with some rain and showers for all. It's not until late in the run that a slow recovery in conditions under the Azores High gradually edges NE into Britain though even at Day 10 such an improvement proves tentative.


MY THOUGHTS  Taking the output this morning as a whole it appears that there is a high probability that the weather will become quite benign across the UK in association with High pressure anchored to the SW of the UK. All models show this as a permanent feature through the period with differing versions on the extent that this High has over the weather in the UK still proving hard to pin down. This morning most output hold it just too far away to guarantee dry weather with the door always ajar to allow some troughs to swing down Northern and Eastern parts in particular enhancing the risk of rain. Temperatures though reasonable look suppressed by the source of the flow being from the North Atlantic and cloud amounts as a result could be rather large at times. The ECM operational today is rather more concerning as it shows a lengthier and more extensive unsettled period for many lasting much of next week but the Ensembles will be more telling from 09:30 on whether this has support from it's group. So all in all a benign period of rather cloudy West or NW winds looks the favoured option this morning with a little rain or showers at times especially but not exclusively across the North and East while the SW should have the best chance of staying dry and bright with average temperatures or a shade above. The UK should stay largely clear of any wide scale chances of severe weather from any weather parameter over the next 10-14 days.


Originally Posted by: Charmhills 


 


Great to see the ECM tease continuing , that model is just unbelievable for unstability ,yet it suppose to be the best verifying model ....beats me why ?


Originally Posted by: David M Porter 


I too have noticed the amount of flips there have been from ECM recently. There has been very little if any run-to-run consistency from it during recent days, which is fairly unusual in my experience.


Originally Posted by: vince 


Its not as simple as flips David as it one run from its set of EMS of which there are varying options as to weather types.


The ECM generally is still rated the best by the Met/o.


Originally Posted by: GIBBY 


 


The ECM generally is still rated the best by the Met/o.


 


how i dont know , someone must be getting a backhander here

Charmhills
03 July 2014 09:56:25

Your very cynical Vince.


Loughborough, EM.

Knowledge is power, ignorance is weakness.

Duane.
Gavin P
03 July 2014 13:00:30

Scandy,


#JMAFriday if you will!


Here's today video - The July Month Ahead Forecast:


http://www.gavsweathervids.com


Another difficult month to pin down, but overall looking OK again I think.


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Scandy 1050 MB
03 July 2014 14:19:54


Scandy,


#JMAFriday if you will!


Here's today video - The July Month Ahead Forecast:


http://www.gavsweathervids.com


Another difficult month to pin down, but overall looking OK again I think.


Originally Posted by: Gavin P 


Thanks Gavin, look forward to watching that this evening - do not envy you trying to forecast July as a lot of changes day to day at the moment from run to run. Will be tuning in tomorrow for JMA of course  , great stuff.


 


Back to MO and latest GFS run shows a very warm second half of the week:


http://www.meteociel.fr/modeles/gfse_cartes.php?&ech=192&mode=0


Seems to be a pattern at the moment of a few fine days before a break down with HP always to the west of the UK before HP moves in again for another few fine days - very normal Summer conditions for the UK almost.


 


 


 

Whether Idle
03 July 2014 15:05:22
Will the GFS stick with it's very warm and settled theme from the 6z, that was a well above average temperature run, one of the best of the summer thus far.? Or will it resort to ECM flip flopping?
Dover, 5m asl. Half a mile from the south coast.
Gavin P
03 July 2014 16:38:14



Scandy,


#JMAFriday if you will!


Here's today video - The July Month Ahead Forecast:


http://www.gavsweathervids.com


Another difficult month to pin down, but overall looking OK again I think.


Originally Posted by: Scandy 1050 MB 


Thanks Gavin, look forward to watching that this evening - do not envy you trying to forecast July as a lot of changes day to day at the moment from run to run. Will be tuning in tomorrow for JMA of course  , great stuff.


 


Back to MO and latest GFS run shows a very warm second half of the week:


http://www.meteociel.fr/modeles/gfse_cartes.php?&ech=192&mode=0


Seems to be a pattern at the moment of a few fine days before a break down with HP always to the west of the UK before HP moves in again for another few fine days - very normal Summer conditions for the UK almost.


 


 


 


Originally Posted by: Gavin P 


Yes, very typical UK summer fare.


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David M Porter
03 July 2014 19:06:25

Another ECM operational run, another potential outcome. Seems that the outlook for what happens beyond the weekend/early next week is full of uncertainty at the moment.


Lenzie, Glasgow

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Hungry Tiger
03 July 2014 19:41:39

I reckon Gavin Ps forecast this weekend might be an awkward one to call.


 


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Whether Idle
03 July 2014 20:22:34


I reckon Gavin Ps forecast this weekend might be an awkward one to call.


 


Originally Posted by: Hungry Tiger 


Maybe, but I think it should settle down nicely, thus:


http://www.meteociel.fr/ukmo/runs/2014070312/UW144-21.GIF?03-18


http://www.meteociel.fr/modeles/jma/runs/2014070312/J168-21.GIF


http://modeles.meteociel.fr/modeles/gfs/runs/2014070312/gfs-0-240.png?12?12


 


 


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Medlock Vale Weather
03 July 2014 20:34:52

Never straightforward the UK climate is it? it's bad enough with those -10 upper easterlies in Winter only to get downgraded 48 hours before the event and then we get a further kick in the teeth in Summer 


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GIBBY
04 July 2014 07:22:19

HERE IS MY LATEST ANALYSIS FROM THE OUTPUTS OF THE WEATHER COMPUTER PREDICTION MODELS FOR TWO WEEKS FROM TODAY FRIDAY JULY 4TH 2014.


THE CURRENT GENERAL SITUATION. An active cold frontal trough in association with Low pressure approaching the far NW will move South and East across the UK over the next 24 hours or so.


HEADLINE  Much more unsettled with rain or showers at times but some drier and brighter spells too, most likely towards the SW.


GFS The GFS operational today keeps a pattern of High pressure tantalisingly close to the SW of the UK through the entire period with a ridge of High pressure lying across the UK at times interuupted on occasion with weak troughs crossing South in the slack winds between west and North. The driest conditions will be towards the SW while the most showers will be towards the East. The ensembles are broadly similar with the ridge axis close to Southern England with brief interruptions from troughs moving South and East across Northern and Eastern areas at times, especially late in the run.


UKMO UKMO shows High pressure well to the SW in the middle of next week with a NW flow across the UK. Low pressure over Germany on Thursday could increase the risk of showers across Eastern England through the day but apart from an isolated shower elsewhere rather cloudy but dry conditions look more likely.


GEM The GEM operational today is showing the same High down to the SW. It hilds a ridge from it across more North-western areas with Low pressure over the near continent keeping the risk of cooler north or NE winds across the South and East with occasional showers while the NW see the best conditions  while the whole UK becomes more settled and somewhat warmer later as pressure builds generally.


NAVGEM NAVGEM shows the feed of Low pressure down across the UK from the NW early next week become slowl moving over the UK with heavy and thundery showers across all areas throughout next week in temperatures much closer to average than of late in cyclonic winds.


ECM The ECM operational this morning is reluctant to improve conditions across the UK next week especially towards the East where a chilly Northerly flow and showers could last well into midweeek or beyond. Sunshine and more scattered showers look likely elsewhere with next weekend showing a warmer NW/SE split in the weather gradually developing as troughs swing NE across the NW while the South and East become warmer and humid and largely dry.


MY THOUGHTS  This morning's output shows a real mish-mash of evolutions in the weather as we move deep into next week and beyond. The one constant between the models is that High pressure will be maintained to the SW of the UK. What is far from agreed is what extent of influence that this has over the UK with a range of options available ranging from a continuation of unstable West or NW winds with showers or occasional rain to a broadscale ridge lying across the UK with fine and sometimes warm weather for most. The fly in the ointment that I can see is the increased focus on Low pressure over Germany or NW Europe for a time later next week which could feed a chilly North flow across the East at times later next week with more enhanced cloud amounts with rain holding the Azores High at bay somewhat. It looks unlikely that any heatwave is expected within this period though I feel on balance there will still be a lot of benign conditions at times for all places between occasional bouts of more changeable weather types with at least a little rain at times and temperatures more frequently than not close to the early and mid July average.


Martin G
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JOHN NI
04 July 2014 07:50:10
Looking at output over the last few days, the flip-flopping nature of the models etc seem to give a message which is basically a westerly type to affect the UK over the coming week or two with a fairly normal/climatological pattern, resulting in potentially changeable weather for the north and northwest with near normal temperatures and longer drier, brigher and warmer periods across the south and east.
Even the north though could see some drier, warmer interludes.
All quite a benign pattern for July which when placed against some of the extremes of 2007-2012 is quite welcome.
John.
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Charmhills
04 July 2014 08:48:00

A very changeable set of runs today so who's where we're heading...........


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Stormchaser
04 July 2014 09:16:57

ECM seems to be consistently finding a fair bit more energy in the Atlantic flow than the other models come up with. I can't imagine why, to be honest!


 


The general consensus is for the trough across the UK at the start of next week to slide away SE into the continent, with an area of high pressure across Scandinavia building in response.


At the same time, the Atlantic westerlies align such as to drive a ridge from the SW towards the UK.


Then it gets complicated, as the models once again struggle to resolve how much influence will be had from the high pressure to the NE as opposed to SW, and the positioning of the Euro trough, plus the angle of the jet in the Atlantic.


GFS doesn't make much of the HP to the NE relative to the other models, while GEM makes the most out of it. UKMO then sits at halfway house.


 


ECM is a very unhelpful anomaly, and alarmingly for those taking a break like myself, the extra energy issue becomes apparent from just 72 hours range, at which the model is rarely far off the mark.


 


As a footnote, ECM is the only 'very changeable' run as far as I can see, with GFS becoming largely settled from Wednesday and UKMO similar. GEM is also largely settled across that range apart from an interruption to the SE.


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Gavin P
04 July 2014 13:37:34

Hi all,


Here's today's video update:


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Am tentatively going for a an unsettled start and end to next week, perhaps drier mid-week.


Still very diccicult to call though.


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