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Whether Idle
15 July 2014 07:21:44


 


MY THOUGHTS  Quite a mixed bag between the output this morning and not much of it very good for fine weather fans. However, there are some encouraging signals still shown by ECM in particular. The differences begin as soon as this weekend in how quickly the Low pressure to the West bringing the thundery weather this weekend moves away and allows pressure to build again behind. Pressure building to the NE is also a factor with many ourput runs placing this to far North and East and as a result trapping Low pressure over or close to the UK having trundled in from the West off the Atlantic. The ECM operational has a clean break from Low pressure as this Northern High builds and links to our High to the SW bringing a steady return to fine and warm conditions for many next week. Which is right? Well despite being in the minority I feel that ECM won't be far off the money with better weather developing at least for many Southern and Eastern areas next week following a volatile and showery weekend to come. Pressure from Atlantic depressions could be too strong for the High pressure to the NE to withstand or prevent Low pressure near Iceland to affect more Northern and Western parts of the British Isles at times but even here I think some of the output over does the extent of these systems. As always of course more runs are needed and time alone will tell if my theory is correct or not.


Originally Posted by: GIBBY 


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Recm1921.gif  This is what I want to see


 The ECM led the way with the high to our east later this week being present, and then robust through Thursday/Friday at a 6 day range.  I am therefore more inclined to trust the ECM than the GFS a further 6 days ahead now.


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Recm1441.gif


 


Dover, 5m asl. Half a mile from the south coast.
Polar Low
15 July 2014 07:55:38

Thanks Martin


The ecm mean will be intresting in the next few hours many more members took the opp with them last night becoming hot once again just over the small pond the last model status i saw at t144 had ecm on top again after a bad time  apart from the ph model


http://www.knmi.nl/exp/pluim/vijftiendaagse/Data/15DAAGSE_06260_NWT.png


 


 



HERE IS MY LATEST ANALYSIS FROM THE OUTPUTS OF THE WEATHER COMPUTER PREDICTION MODELS FOR TWO WEEKS FROM TODAY TUESDAY JULY 15TH 2014.


THE CURRENT GENERAL SITUATION. Winds will be slack Westerly over the UK today as a trough moves NE over NW areas tonight and slowly SE tomorrow.


MODELS-2 WEEK HEADLINE  Warm for many areas with occasional rain at times especially in the NW following the showery period this weekend.


GFS The GFS operational today shows cooler weather following a thundery period at the end of the week and through the weekend. Cooler Westerly winds with sunshine and showers leads on into a fairly unsettled operational run this morning with further troughs and Low pressure in the vicinity of the UK for the remainder of the run with rain and showers at times with temperatures returning to near average. The GFS Ensembles also show changeable conditions maintained over the UK next week and beyond but with more chance of dry weather from High pressure to the SW of the UK over the South at times while Northern Britain see more Low pressure to the North influencing conditions there.


UKMO UKMO this morning closes it's run with a developing ridge across the UK replacing the thundery and showery weekend. Things look like turning cooler and fresher for a time.


GEM The GEM operational today is unimpressive if it's fine weather your after. Low pressure developing this weekend with thundery showers opens the door to more slow moving UK based Low pressure next week with showers or outbreaks of rain mixed with some brighter spells in temperatures returning close to the seasonal normal for many next week.


NAVGEM NAVGEM also shows cooler Westerly winds next week following the heat and thundery plume at the start of the weekend. High pressure remains fairly close to Southern Britain and this could feed some warmer and drier conditions into Southern and Eastern Britain at times.


ECM The ECM operational still flies the flag for a good week of fine and sunny conditions next week as it stands alone in building pressure strongly enough just to the NE of the UK and linking SW over the UK resulting in sunny and increasingly warm conditions developing again for many through next week following the sultry and thundery period at the start of this weekend.


MY THOUGHTS  Quite a mixed bag between the output this morning and not much of it very good for fine weather fans. However, there are some encouraging signals still shown by ECM in particular. The differences begin as soon as this weekend in how quickly the Low pressure to the West bringing the thundery weather this weekend moves away and allows pressure to build again behind. Pressure building to the NE is also a factor with many output runs placing this too far North and East and as a result trapping Low pressure over or close to the UK having trundled in from the West off the Atlantic. The ECM operational has a clean break from Low pressure as this Northern High builds and links to our High to the SW bringing a steady return to fine and warm conditions for many next week. Which is right? Well despite being in the minority I feel that ECM won't be far off the money with better weather developing at least for many Southern and Eastern areas next week following a volatile and showery weekend to come. Pressure from Atlantic depressions could be too strong for the High pressure to the NE to withstand or prevent Low pressure near Iceland to affect more Northern and Western parts of the British Isles at times but even here I think some of the output over does the extent of these systems. As always of course more runs are needed and time alone will tell if my theory is correct or not.


Originally Posted by: GIBBY 

Stormchaser
15 July 2014 08:20:02

ECM and UKMO are seeing a path for a trough to slide SE from the UK and down towards the eastern Mediterranean, supporting a block of high pressure to the NE that keeps conditions very warm to hot for the SE, while rebuilding the heat elsewhere, as the ridge from the SW joins in on the act 


 


On the other side of the coin, GFS and GEM aren't seeing this, with the Atlantic jet proving too strong, driving more development from the west which then combines with the trough trying to head SE to produce a trough right over the UK while also allowing the blocking to shift to our NW 


 


I do tend to favour UKMO/ECM over GFS/GEM when the two pairs are in agreement, though it's never a clear cut thing. Adding some more weight to the UKMO/ECM solution is that something not too dissimilar unfolded quite recently in terms of the trough behaviour, though conditions to the NE didn't prove favourable for a blocking high to develop that time.


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Whether Idle
15 July 2014 09:30:32


Very interesting, the 12zs will be worth scrutinising to see whether GFS/GEM move to the high pressure-warmth ECM camp.


If this does happen, it should further propel 2014 as the warmest year on record up to end of July:


2014 10.66C (prov.)
1846 10.55C
2007 10.52C
1990 10.50C
1733 10.50C
1868 10.43C


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Polar Low
15 July 2014 10:34:11

wow we  dont have to wait that long WI


 http://www.meteociel.fr/modeles/gfse_cartes.php?&ech=216&mode=0&carte=1


http://www.meteociel.fr/modeles/gfse_cartes.php?ech=168&code=0&mode=0&carte=1


 


 




Very interesting, the 12zs will be worth scrutinising to see whether GFS/GEM move to the high pressure-warmth ECM camp.


If this does happen, it should further propel 2014 as the warmest year on record up to end of July:


2014 10.66C (prov.)
1846 10.55C
2007 10.52C
1990 10.50C
1733 10.50C
1868 10.43C


Originally Posted by: Polar Low 

Stormchaser
15 July 2014 12:37:40

https://max.nwstatic.co.uk/gfsimages/gfs.20140715/00/66/hgt300.png


GFS 00z jet at +66 hours. Taking quite a straight path as it dives south. 


https://max.nwstatic.co.uk/gfsimages/gfs.20140715/06/60/hgt300.png


GFS 06z for the equivalent time. Jet stream taking a more wavy path, and also a little weaker.


 


This change is important in terms of the impacts a day or so later on:


https://max.nwstatic.co.uk/gfsimages/gfs.20140715/00/102/hgt300.png


On the 00z run, the jet is relatively vigorous to the SW of the UK, and drives trough development which pushes the plume of heat away to the east. The resulting surface low then takes a fair while to dissipate, getting in the way of the ridge to the SW. It also seems to give the block to the NE some means of retrogressing towards the NW.


https://max.nwstatic.co.uk/gfsimages/gfs.20140715/06/96/hgt300.png


On the 06z run, the jet is weaker and has a more marked ridge/trough shape to it (more amplified). There is less to drive trough development to the SW, and instead a shallow low within the plume takes advantage of the jet to develop and drift north. Being part of a seperate trough in the jet to the Atlantic feature, there is room for the ridge from the SW to squeeze in between the two lows. The Atlantic trough, hitting a wall, also lifts north a bit, and the block to the NE isn't able to retrogress.


This goes on to further support the ridge from the SW, which keeps the SE'rn third warm to very warm, even hot at times, throughout the entire run going forward!


Troughs graze past the far NW, bringing a minor influence. Eventually one drops to the SW for a sensational end to the run, and July:


https://max.nwstatic.co.uk/gfsimages/gfs.20140715/06/384/h850t850eu.png


Given the time of year, that one would be a very hot and energetic event if it verified (don't count on it at that range...).


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Gavin P
15 July 2014 13:23:38

Hi all,


Here's today's main video update:


Could Heat Reload Net Week?


http://www.gavsweathervids.com


VERY uncertain what's happening next week, but the chance for another spell of fine and very warm weather is there, IMO.


BTW, am hoping to have Terry Scholey's mid July to mid August forecast for you this evening.


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sriram
15 July 2014 13:43:25
Thanks gavin

Hope you had a nice break

The difference in models is quite striking for next week - summer or properly autumnal conditions it seems
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Gusty
15 July 2014 15:45:22

Evidence continues to grow in my opinion for a very warm/hot second half of July.


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Medlock Vale Weather
15 July 2014 17:23:59

Dew point on the rise tomorrow as seen below, so with temps into the low mid 20's it will start to feel humid.


http://modeles.meteociel.fr/modeles/wrfnmm/runs/2014071506/nmmuk-18-33-0.png?15-13


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Whether Idle
15 July 2014 17:38:16


Evidence continues to grow in my opinion for a very warm/hot second half of July.


Originally Posted by: Gusty 


 


It will need to if your CET prediction is to come close...


 


This will help a bit


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rukm1441.gif


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Whether Idle
15 July 2014 17:43:24



Very interesting, the 12zs will be worth scrutinising to see whether GFS/GEM move to the high pressure-warmth ECM camp.


If this does happen, it should further propel 2014 as the warmest year on record up to end of July:


2014 10.66C (prov.)
1846 10.55C
2007 10.52C
1990 10.50C
1733 10.50C
1868 10.43C


Originally Posted by: Polar Low 


Heres GEM:http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rgem1801.gif


heres GFS:  http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rtavn1561.gif


Looks like ecm may be leading (Will the 12z stand firm???)


 


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Polar Low
15 July 2014 17:58:27

Gfs has it by the skin of here teeth at 10 days


https://f1.nwstatic.co.uk/forum/uploads/monthly_07_2014/post-14819-0-01389300-1405439481.png





Very interesting, the 12zs will be worth scrutinising to see whether GFS/GEM move to the high pressure-warmth ECM camp.


If this does happen, it should further propel 2014 as the warmest year on record up to end of July:


2014 10.66C (prov.)
1846 10.55C
2007 10.52C
1990 10.50C
1733 10.50C
1868 10.43C


Originally Posted by: Whether Idle 


Heres GEM:http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rgem1801.gif


heres GFS:  http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rtavn1561.gif


Looks like ecm may be leading (Will the 12z stand firm???)


 


Originally Posted by: Polar Low 

Polar Low
15 July 2014 18:05:22

im pleased with that gfs mean for now looks good for the south and most of England


http://www.meteociel.fr/modeles/gefs_cartes.php?code=21&ech=174&mode=0&carte=1


 

Polar Low
15 July 2014 18:25:45

goodness me 20 uppers s/e england T96


http://www.meteociel.fr/modeles/ecmwf.php?ech=96&mode=0&map=1&type=0&archive=0

Whether Idle
15 July 2014 18:32:30


goodness me 20 uppers s/e england T96


http://www.meteociel.fr/modeles/ecmwf.php?ech=96&mode=0&map=1&type=0&archive=0


Originally Posted by: Polar Low 


Stonking!  If any sunshine prevails somewhere in SE will get 32C


Scorchio


Dover, 5m asl. Half a mile from the south coast.
Gooner
15 July 2014 18:41:29



goodness me 20 uppers s/e england T96


http://www.meteociel.fr/modeles/ecmwf.php?ech=96&mode=0&map=1&type=0&archive=0


Originally Posted by: Whether Idle 


Stonking!  If any sunshine prevails somewhere in SE will get 32C


Scorchio


Originally Posted by: Polar Low 


Matt Taylor did suggest some places could well get above 30c on Friday


Remember anything after T120 is really Just For Fun



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Banbury
North Oxfordshire
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Polar Low
15 July 2014 18:47:09

why oh why could not get nothing like that from the east last winter  


stonking summer push from the east


http://www.meteociel.fr/modeles/ecmwf.php?ech=192&mode=1&map=1&type=0&archive=0


http://www.meteociel.fr/modeles/ecmwf.php?ech=216&mode=0&map=3&type=0&archive=0


Perhaps Steve is right we might have a summer monster on our hands


http://www.meteociel.fr/modeles/ecmwf.php?ech=216&mode=1&map=1&type=0&archive=0


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Hade Edge Snowman
15 July 2014 18:52:57


why oh why could not get nothing like that from the east last winter  


stonking summer push from the east


http://www.meteociel.fr/modeles/ecmwf.php?ech=192&mode=1&map=1&type=0&archive=0


http://www.meteociel.fr/modeles/ecmwf.php?ech=216&mode=0&map=3&type=0&archive=0


Originally Posted by: Polar Low 


I've booked the same synoptics to return in 6 month's time


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West Yorkshire
1060 feet/323 metres ASL
Stormchaser
15 July 2014 19:33:33

The ECM 12z run joins GEM in having more of a plume than GFS, now at just 72 hours range. Are they overcooking it, or is GFS undercooking it? That's the million dollar question! 


At 96 hours, both ECM and GEM have the 20*C 850hPa isotherm clipping the far SE. 


UKMO, JMA and GFS have 850's 2-4*C lower, which probably corresponds to a similar drop in the maximum possible temperatures at the surface... to around 25-28*C as opposed to 28-32*C.


I say maximum possible because of the usual sunshine caveat.


 


JMA goes on to behave a lot like GFS, which is a little concerning. Thankfully UKMO abandons them in favour of something more like ECM and GEM.


I do wonder if the high terrain of Greenland is messing about with the model output in this delicate situation.


 


It's not surprising really that in this plume situation, where as much as amplification as possible is required for the hottest and longest lasting plume event, that the two models going for it most are those which seem to have a tendency to favour amplification for whatever reason.


Sometimes they turn out to be right in doing so, but sometimes not. Plumes are never remotely straightforward in the UK 


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Matty H
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15 July 2014 22:36:01
http://http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rtavn1921.gif

Bank
Stormchaser
15 July 2014 23:21:03

http://http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rtavn1921.gif

Bank

Originally Posted by: Matty H 


Another huge shift in the jet position from the 12z:


https://max.nwstatic.co.uk/gfsimages/gfs.20140715/12/150/hgt300.png


It was going flat across to run along the channel...


https://max.nwstatic.co.uk/gfsimages/gfs.20140715/18/144/hgt300.png


...now it heads to the north of the UK as the ridge is far more defined! The differences unfold from day 4 and bring GFS right in line with ECM out to day 8 - but lately the 00z and 12z runs have tended to be the flatter operational runs for some reason, so I wont be surprised if it drifts a bit further away again. That assumes ECM holds position, which of course isn't a given either 


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Matty H
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15 July 2014 23:28:26

http://http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rtavn1921.gif

Bank

Originally Posted by: Stormchaser 


Another huge shift in the jet position from the 12z:


https://max.nwstatic.co.uk/gfsimages/gfs.20140715/12/150/hgt300.png


It was going flat across to run along the channel...


https://max.nwstatic.co.uk/gfsimages/gfs.20140715/18/144/hgt300.png


...now it heads to the north of the UK as the ridge is far more defined! The differences unfold from day 4 and bring GFS right in line with ECM out to day 8 - but lately the 00z and 12z runs have tended to be the flatter operational runs for some reason, so I wont be surprised if it drifts a bit further away again. That assumes ECM holds position, which of course isn't a given either 

Originally Posted by: Matty H 




Indeed. Feels like winter with the models at odds with each other to such an extent at times. Now if this were winter you can guarantee that as soon as the GFS comes into line with ECM, the ECM will now flip totally. [sn_clown]
GIBBY
16 July 2014 07:08:27

HERE IS MY LATEST ANALYSIS FROM THE OUTPUTS OF THE WEATHER COMPUTER PREDICTION MODELS FOR TWO WEEKS FROM TODAY WEDNESDAY JULY 16TH 2014.


THE CURRENT GENERAL SITUATION. A cold front will move slowly SE across the British Isles today and tonight.


MODELS-2 WEEK HEADLINE  Warm for many areas with occasional rain at times especially in the NW following the showery period this weekend.


GFS The GFS operational today shows the weekend thundery period gradually waning away next week as pressure High to the NE and SE link to bring a drier and brighter period when the NW continues to be affected by some cloud and occasional rain. During Week 2 the High pressure ridge declines to be replaced by a slow moving Low pressure over the North of the UK with cooler, fresher air and rain at times. The Ensemble data is largely supportive of this trend pushing back the very warm and hot mid summer conditions back South to Iberia while the UK becomes afficted by showery and cooler Low pressure.


UKMO UKMO this morning closes it's run with a developing ridge across the South and East early next week while the North and West look like holding on to moist SW winds and occsional rain as troughs brush NE over these areas.


GEM The GEM operational today also shows a rise in pressure next week, first across the South and then to all areas for a time brnging fine and very warm conditions back especially over the South and East. Weak Low pressure is shown to return by Day 10 with thundery showers and cooler conditions returning from the SW.


NAVGEM NAVGEM builds pressure strongly next week behind this weekends thundery interlude, especially to the NE extending a ridge back across the British Isles with fine and very warm conditions developing for many with just the chance of a thundery shower in the SE.


ECM The ECM operational also builds High pressure strongly over Scandinavia early next week squeezing the life out of the thundery weather early next week with a return to very warm and sunny weather for many away from the NW where SW winds and occasional rain might be more reluctant to clear. This theme then continues right out to the end of next week with High pressure strectching from the Azores to Scandinavia and offering most areas the prospect of warm and sunny weather.


MY THOUGHTS  Still quite a lot of differences of the longer term prospects between the outputs today. The differences hinge on the result and evolution beyond the well supported rise of pressure next week behind this weekend's thundery Low. Some output, mostly from the GFS group indicate more unsettled Low pressure based weather type returning quite soon after the middle to end of next week and through Week 2 while GEM, NAVGEM, headed by ECM show a strong ridge extending SW to NE from the Azores to Scandinavia bringing the chance of a more sustained period of fine, very warm and sunny weather though admittedly the 10 day chart weakens the certainty of this theme as Low pressure moves down from the NWalbeit that it looks a temporary blip. My own thoughts are that ECM remain the strongest model in supporting the school of thinking on how I think things will pan out next week and beyond. So as yesterday I feel a lot of fine and very warm weather is likely for the rest of July due to a belt of High pressure across the UK from the Azores to Scandinavia, especially the further South and East in the UK you happen to be. As always with high temperatures the odd thundery shower or two will always be possible and the NW will equally be at risk of Atlantic fronts at times. So I think good summer weather will remain in place for many through the period of the output today.


Martin G
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