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Rob K
12 January 2015 19:52:52

I know this is last night's fax chart but this looks quite interesting from a southern perspective. Will await tonight's update with interest


 


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/brack4.gif


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Quantum
12 January 2015 20:03:19

Current synoptic situation.



Cold front still stubbornly sitting across the south. In the north a nasty little wave depression has developed, giving snow on its northern edge and a real risk of freezing rain on its southern side. This is expected to clear off into the N sea and disapate, but on the cold front another meseo system is likely to develop, which could give some snow for a time in N england tommorow morning first thing.


 


2023/2024 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):
29/11 (-6), 30/11 (-6), 02/12 (-5), 03/12 (-5), 04/12 (-3), 16/01 (-3), 18/01 (-8), 08/02 (-5)

Total: 8 days with snow/sleet falling.

2022/2023 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

18/12 (-1), 06/03 (-6), 08/03 (-8), 09/03 (-6), 10/03 (-8), 11/03 (-5), 14/03 (-6)

Total: 7 days with snow/sleet falling.

2021/2022 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

26/11 (-5), 27/11 (-7), 28/11 (-6), 02/12 (-6), 06/01 (-5), 07/01 (-6), 06/02 (-5), 19/02 (-5), 24/02 (-7), 30/03 (-7), 31/03 (-8), 01/04 (-8)
Total: 12 days with snow/sleet falling.
Rob K
12 January 2015 20:03:39

Some interesting twists appearing for next week, with troughs disrupting and sliding SE across the UK on most models. Quite a complicated picture and one to watch e.g GEM
http://modeles.meteociel.fr/modeles/gem/runs/2015011212/gemnh-0-156.png?12

GME has a slightly different take

http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rgme1321.gif

Originally Posted by: squish 


 


The charts are puzzling me at the moment... why are the troughs disrupting and sliding when there is no block to our east?


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Brian Gaze
12 January 2015 20:09:41

HIRLAM also looks quite interesting tomorrow night:



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idj20
12 January 2015 20:28:47

It's all starting to look more and more like January '84 - I was 17 at the time and remember how I gnashed my teeth in frustration at it all.

Like to think I'm a bit more mature about it now, just wish I don't have to put up with all this rain and wind expected over the next couple or three days - I have a feeling it won't be long before flooding is going to make its presence felt around here - and that's on top of the gale force winds on Wednesday night.



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Quantum
12 January 2015 20:37:58


 


 


The charts are puzzling me at the moment... why are the troughs disrupting and sliding when there is no block to our east?


Originally Posted by: Rob K 


Because there is such a low height latitude gradient. The surface is steered by the upper atmosphere, without a steep gradient nothing goes anywhere, you also need strong winds in the upper atmosphere to fuel cyclogenesis which the charts are not showing. Ofc we don't have particularly high heights over Greenland/Scandi either, hence the absence of blocking.


This is why I am not overly concerned with the Azors high, as long as the atlantic remains like this, we arn't going to stay mild for long.  


2023/2024 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):
29/11 (-6), 30/11 (-6), 02/12 (-5), 03/12 (-5), 04/12 (-3), 16/01 (-3), 18/01 (-8), 08/02 (-5)

Total: 8 days with snow/sleet falling.

2022/2023 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

18/12 (-1), 06/03 (-6), 08/03 (-8), 09/03 (-6), 10/03 (-8), 11/03 (-5), 14/03 (-6)

Total: 7 days with snow/sleet falling.

2021/2022 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

26/11 (-5), 27/11 (-7), 28/11 (-6), 02/12 (-6), 06/01 (-5), 07/01 (-6), 06/02 (-5), 19/02 (-5), 24/02 (-7), 30/03 (-7), 31/03 (-8), 01/04 (-8)
Total: 12 days with snow/sleet falling.
12 January 2015 20:44:32


 


 


The charts are puzzling me at the moment... why are the troughs disrupting and sliding when there is no block to our east?


Originally Posted by: Rob K 


 


 


Hi Rob


I saw your question then just happened to watch Nick Miller doing the 6-10 day outlook on the BBC Weathersite.


The jet stream will be diving southwards to the west of the UK next week and will also be about 100mph slower than this week


so the impetus to drive the systems across the UK with such great force like this week is no longer there. 


 


 

Whether Idle
12 January 2015 20:47:48

There are all sorts of possibilities now in the 144-240 time frame.  I think theres a reasonable chance (1 in 3) of something cold and blocked developing, perhaps not dissimilar to January 2013.  Anyhow, here are a few charts:


This is on offer @ 240 from the CMA, for example:



and this from GFSP @ 192:



This is the GME @ 132:



You get the idea - yes charts are cherry picked but they do illustrate the possibilities as the jet digs south and offers the chance for pressure to rise to our N and NE....


 


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Quantum
12 January 2015 20:47:55


 


 


 


Hi Rob


I saw your question then just happened to watch Nick Miller doing the 6-10 day outlook on the BBC Weathersite.


The jet stream will be diving southwards to the west of the UK next week and will also be about 100mph slower than this week


so the impetus to drive the systems across the UK with such great force like this week is no longer there. 


 


 


Originally Posted by: blizzard of 78 


Netweather GFS Image


Indeed, trough forming at 200hpa level, a bit like a car trap for depressions. A depression stuck under an upper level trough is a gonner, while rapid cyclogenesis happens just to the SW of a very strong jetstream. 


2023/2024 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):
29/11 (-6), 30/11 (-6), 02/12 (-5), 03/12 (-5), 04/12 (-3), 16/01 (-3), 18/01 (-8), 08/02 (-5)

Total: 8 days with snow/sleet falling.

2022/2023 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

18/12 (-1), 06/03 (-6), 08/03 (-8), 09/03 (-6), 10/03 (-8), 11/03 (-5), 14/03 (-6)

Total: 7 days with snow/sleet falling.

2021/2022 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

26/11 (-5), 27/11 (-7), 28/11 (-6), 02/12 (-6), 06/01 (-5), 07/01 (-6), 06/02 (-5), 19/02 (-5), 24/02 (-7), 30/03 (-7), 31/03 (-8), 01/04 (-8)
Total: 12 days with snow/sleet falling.
doctormog
12 January 2015 22:28:20
There are a few rather chilly charts being shown for the start of next week on recent GFS runs and the 18z op run continues this theme:

http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rtavn15017.html 
Zubzero
12 January 2015 22:32:16

http://modeles.meteociel.fr/modeles/gfs/runs/2015011218/gfsnh-0-162.png?18


GFS going for a slider 


GFSP looking good to http://modeles.meteociel.fr/modeles/gfsp/runs/2015011218/gfsnh-0-162.png?18


 


Nice trend for the Atlantic calming down and height rise's around Iceland,scandi 

Gooner
12 January 2015 22:39:50

Weather type GFS Tu 13.01.2015 18 GMT


PPN starts to turn to snow in some Southern areas ^^^^^^^


 


Weather type GFS We 14.01.2015 06 GMT


By Wednesday morning a few Central and Southern areas might get a slight covering


Remember anything after T120 is really Just For Fun



Marcus
Banbury
North Oxfordshire
378 feet A S L


Russwirral
12 January 2015 22:47:09

GFSP taking large strides to an overall colder pattern with lots of different features to talk about. One in particular is the feature that is forecasted to arrive Saturday-Sunday. Interestingly combining 2 Low pressures with lots of cold air over the UK. That would be very interesting and potentially extremely snowy.


Gooner
12 January 2015 22:48:21


 


Some cold air is certainly keen to get across the UK


Remember anything after T120 is really Just For Fun



Marcus
Banbury
North Oxfordshire
378 feet A S L


Chiltern Blizzard
12 January 2015 22:57:58


Weather type GFS Tu 13.01.2015 18 GMT


PPN starts to turn to snow in some Southern areas ^^^^^^^


 


Weather type GFS We 14.01.2015 06 GMT


By Wednesday morning a few Central and Southern areas might get a slight covering


Originally Posted by: Gooner 


Looking increasingly good for snow IMBY!.... As with most snowfalls, it's not nailed until you see the flakes though...   If it's more than the briefest blob of sleet it will be the best since March 2013 , but nothing to get especially excited about - probably won't make even the top 10 snowfalls since 2009.


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Matty H
12 January 2015 22:58:24

Ferguson:


 


W COUNTRY Tues PM/Night may yield 'thundersnow' in some western fringes, as cumulonimbus clouds bring combination of lightning, hail & snow


Darren S
12 January 2015 23:02:01


Ferguson:


 


W COUNTRY Tues PM/Night may yield 'thundersnow' in some western fringes, as cumulonimbus clouds bring combination of lightning, hail & snow


Originally Posted by: Matty H 


The accumulated depths on the Met Office video discussed on the previous page, which shows 20cm+ for you (and nothing at all for here) suggests a Bristol Channel streamer. You've done quite well from those in the past I recall?


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South Berks Winter Snow Depth Totals:
2023/24 0 cm; 2022/23 7 cm; 2021/22 1 cm; 2020/21 13 cm; 2019/20 0 cm; 2018/19 14 cm; 2017/18 23 cm; 2016/17 0 cm; 2015/16 0.5 cm; 2014/15 3.5 cm; 2013/14 0 cm; 2012/13 22 cm; 2011/12 7 cm; 2010/11 6 cm; 2009/10 51 cm
Gooner
12 January 2015 23:03:58

Meanwhile, some further (mostly modest) snow accumulation does show again Thurs-early Fri in E4 for parts of upland S England (W Country/S-Central England/some S coastal districts).


 From IF over on the other side
Remember anything after T120 is really Just For Fun



Marcus
Banbury
North Oxfordshire
378 feet A S L


seringador
12 January 2015 23:07:43
Well read sometime ago during a opening post that would be by the end of January with the same topic...heeehee
the SSW that occoured a few days ago almost reach the 30hPa an is being propagated dowards and at some distance is notable the propagation to lower layers +120h and could be a AH drift later on to NE helped by a N Med Low SE show on operational run at 186h
http://www.cpc.ncep.noaa.gov/products/stratosphere/strat_a_f/gif_files/gfs_t100_nh_f120.gif 
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Matty H
12 January 2015 23:07:56


 


The accumulated depths on the Met Office video discussed on the previous page, which shows 20cm+ for you (and nothing at all for here) suggests a Bristol Channel streamer. You've done quite well from those in the past I recall?


Originally Posted by: Darren S 


Back in 2009, yes. 


Such an incredibly rare situation, and by definition it takes a myriad of things to fall into place for it to happen. The chances of it happening favourably again tomorrow remain as remote as ever, but at least - if only for a while - the potential exists. There wasn't even the potential for a passing flurry all of last winter. 


Matty H
12 January 2015 23:15:04

The NAE is starting to trickle out. 


 


Edit: Euro 4 or whatever stupid name it's got now. 


Gooner
12 January 2015 23:21:20

Rain/Snowfall EURO4 Tu 13.01.2015 18 GMT


Heavy Snow in Scotland , wintry ppn coming in from the West further South


Remember anything after T120 is really Just For Fun



Marcus
Banbury
North Oxfordshire
378 feet A S L


Gooner
12 January 2015 23:25:27

Rain/Snowfall EURO4 We 14.01.2015 00 GMT


Turning to Snow as it moves inland ( South ) again Scotland and Ireland getting Snowfall


 


Rain/Snowfall EURO4 We 14.01.2015 06 GMT


Wednesday morning Snow still falling in Central / SW parts of England.


IMBY post


Remember anything after T120 is really Just For Fun



Marcus
Banbury
North Oxfordshire
378 feet A S L


tallyho_83
12 January 2015 23:31:35
Looking wintry- early Wed Morning for the south! But perhaps just rain or sleet for the far south!!

http://max.nwstatic.co.uk/gfsimages/gfs.20150112/18/36/prectypeuktopo.png 

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Jonesy
12 January 2015 23:33:28

FI but this caught my eye


http://modeles2.meteociel.fr/modeles_gfs/runs/2015011218/156-574PUK.GIF?12-18


Modele GFS - Carte prévisions


http://expert-images.weatheronline.co.uk/daten/proficharts/en/2015/01/12/basis18/ukuk/t850/15011906_1218.gif


Height/Temp. 850 hPa GFS Mo 19.01.2015 06 GMT


http://expert-images.weatheronline.co.uk/daten/proficharts/en/2015/01/12/basis18/ukuk/weas/15011918_1218.gif


Snow accu. GFS Mo 19.01.2015 18 GMT


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