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nsrobins
16 January 2015 22:15:40

Am I the first to comment on the 18Z or has everyone else been banned?


We see another variation now with Tuesday's sliding energy staying further West. A more robust effort then arrives Wednesday and I wouldn't assume anything about it's path or extent. Does anyone have a Scooby?


Neil
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Fothergill
16 January 2015 22:16:49

Well it looks like the GFS has been dragged kicking and screaming towards the UKMO and ECM. Good agreement now. Day 5: spot the difference


GFS: http://images.meteociel.fr/im/2564/gfs-0-114_hcv9.png


ECM: http://images.meteociel.fr/im/2749/ECM1-120_bdc9.GIF


UKMO http://images.meteociel.fr/im/1395/UW120-21_bjj2.GIF


 

warrenb
16 January 2015 22:20:25
The difference between the 12z and the 18z is laughable. Chalk and cheese. Not a sniff of an easterly or a slider.
Brian Gaze
16 January 2015 22:24:28

My take on the 18z is a band of rain, sleet and snow spreads eastwards mid-week then a westerly flow of sorts resumes. The ENS have been favouring  a more mobile pattern w/b 26/01, but the 18z is turbocharging its return.  


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JoeShmoe99
16 January 2015 22:31:53

It looks like a potential return to the n/westerly PM type flow we seem to have defaulted to so far this year , 18z and the cold snap is all but over by Weds .. One run but follows the trend


still a chance for some places to see more snow in the coming days 

colin46
16 January 2015 22:35:54
Have faith model output fans,something is brewing.......LOOK TO THE EAST!..........
shine on you crazy diamond
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nsrobins
16 January 2015 22:44:07

Have faith model output fans,something is brewing.......LOOK TO THE EAST!..........

Originally Posted by: colin46 


Are you predicting another sharp turnaround in the NWP? What is your reasoning?


Neil
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Zubzero
16 January 2015 22:45:30


It looks like a potential return to the n/westerly PM type flow we seem to have defaulted to so far this year , 18z and the cold snap is all but over by Weds .. One run but follows the trend


still a chance for some places to see more snow in the coming days 


Originally Posted by: JoeShmoe99 


Place's that have all ready seen a bit of snow seem most at risk over the coming few days. For most the snow chance's get worse each run so a few cold days with some frost then back to this winters default pattern is more likely this evening


 


http://modeles.meteociel.fr/modeles/gfs/runs/2015011618/gfsnh-0-162.png?18

GIBBY
16 January 2015 22:50:06

A distinct correction West on tonight's 120hr fax when compared with the raw data of the earlier 12z.


http://www.meteociel.fr/modeles/ukmo2.php?carte=2000&ech=0


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GIBBY
16 January 2015 23:03:35


A distinct correction West on tonight's 120hr fax when compared with the raw data of the earlier 12z.


http://www.meteociel.fr/modeles/ukmo2.php?carte=2000&ech=0


Originally Posted by: GIBBY 


Apologies guys. I've quoted last nights by mistake as timeline had updated but chart hasn't. New one is much like the raw data with the front having cleared the East coast.


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Brian Gaze
16 January 2015 23:06:57


 


Apologies guys. I've quoted last nights by mistake as timeline had updated but chart hasn't. New one is much like the raw data with the front having cleared the East coast.


Originally Posted by: GIBBY 


Doesn't really tie in with the Willets forecast.


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Fothergill
16 January 2015 23:07:19

Don't shoot me but despite the uncertainties in the short term there's been good agreement recently on the further outlook. ECM, GEM ens and NAEFS anomalies singing from the hymn sheet day 10 - strong westerlies and well organised vortex to the NW. Looks a fairly strong signal.


Anomalies:


ECM: http://images.meteociel.fr/im/8332/EDM101-240_xiy0.GIF


GEM: http://images.meteociel.fr/im/7209/gens-21-3-240_dgk3.png


NAEFS: http://images.meteociel.fr/im/1281/naefs-0-0-240_ole7.png


 ECM mean day 10, the vortex to the NW looks fairly rampant.



In my opinion, I doubt there'll be a cold spell of note for Jan now but we'll see.

nsrobins
16 January 2015 23:13:40

There are tentative signs of another minor strat warming at 5hPa above Eastern Siberia in about 10 days time. This may, if other factors provide support, deliver some snow over Sheffield before the end of February.


 


 


I'll get me coat and sledge - I'm taking it back to B&Q in the morning


Mods you will be absolutely justified to remove this totally irrelevant post - I thought I'd inject a bit of fun just in case there was anyone still around.


Neil
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colin46
16 January 2015 23:16:03


There are tentative signs of another minor strat warming at 5hPa above Eastern Siberia in about 10 days time. This may, if other factors provide support, deliver some snow over Sheffield before the end of February.


 


 


I'll get me coat and sledge - I'm taking it back to B&Q in the morning


Mods you will be absolutely justified to remove this totally irrelevant post - I thought I'd inject a bit of fun just in case there was anyone still around.


Originally Posted by: nsrobins 


shine on you crazy diamond
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ITSY
16 January 2015 23:29:22

within the realms of model watching, broadly disappointed today. It looked for about 4-5 days beforehand that we were about to some kind of limited but entrenched cold across the UK, with the added uncertain possibility of an Easterly afterwards. With both now gone, it has been quite a turn around. Still, that is precisely what you can expect for an Island on the North West flank of a warm ocean with only limited cold air on the near continent. Still, only a day over half way through the winter so plenty more to chew on between now and Easter time! I wonder how long before we see another prolonged cold spell. It's only at times like these when we understand the difficulty in establishing real cold over the UK that your realise how unusual it was to have Feb '09, Jan '10, Dec '10 and March '13 packed so tightly together. I doubt we'll see a sequence like that for some time, but that's not to say there won't be lots of cold and snow to be had in the interim!

Gooner
16 January 2015 23:41:38


 


Doesn't really tie in with the Willets forecast.


Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 


Yes all very odd as the 21:55 showed the LP sinking South and blue arrows in from Europe?? ( end of the week )


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Solar Cycles
16 January 2015 23:43:37


 


Yes all very odd as the 21:55 showed the LP sinking South and blue arrows in from Europe?? ( end of the week )


" cloudy and cold" said our friend Helen


Originally Posted by: Gooner 

All eyes on the 23:55 forecast then.😜

Andy Woodcock
16 January 2015 23:59:40
The fax charts for Tuesday and Wednesday are a carbon copy of 19th/20th January 1978 which brought a heavy fall of snow from the Midlands northwards (look up the old charts on Wettz)

Snow depths on the 20th included 10cms at Birmingham Airport, 8cms at Manchester and 20cms at Glasgow.

This winter so far has been very much like 1977/78 for those old enough to remember?

Andy
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smeeagain
17 January 2015 00:06:21

Some will recognise this.


It was a new day yesterday, but it's an old day now.


C ya'll tomo.....edit....in the morning.....whats in store.....will it have snowed?


 

tallyho_83
17 January 2015 00:28:27


 


Yes all very odd as the 21:55 showed the LP sinking South and blue arrows in from Europe?? ( end of the week )


" cloudy and cold" said our friend Helen


Originally Posted by: Gooner 

- Yes agreed this is why it's so confusing and Met office forecast outlook at weather online - here is the Helen Willetts forecast, but who is right!?


From 3:00mins - colder easterlies forecasted here yet the models show a return to zonal from midweek!?


http://www.bbc.co.uk/weather/feeds/30842988


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Quantum
17 January 2015 00:44:37


- Yes agreed this is why it's so confusing and Met office forecast outlook at weather online - here is the Helen Willetts forecast, but who is right!?


From 3:00mins - colder easterlies forecasted here yet the models show a return to zonal from midweek!?


http://www.bbc.co.uk/weather/feeds/30842988


Originally Posted by: tallyho_83 




The graphics might be a few hours out of date.


2023/2024 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):
29/11 (-6), 30/11 (-6), 02/12 (-5), 03/12 (-5), 04/12 (-3), 16/01 (-3), 18/01 (-8), 08/02 (-5)

Total: 8 days with snow/sleet falling.

2022/2023 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

18/12 (-1), 06/03 (-6), 08/03 (-8), 09/03 (-6), 10/03 (-8), 11/03 (-5), 14/03 (-6)

Total: 7 days with snow/sleet falling.

2021/2022 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

26/11 (-5), 27/11 (-7), 28/11 (-6), 02/12 (-6), 06/01 (-5), 07/01 (-6), 06/02 (-5), 19/02 (-5), 24/02 (-7), 30/03 (-7), 31/03 (-8), 01/04 (-8)
Total: 12 days with snow/sleet falling.
lezrob
17 January 2015 02:17:51


 


Thanks for the info.


Originally Posted by: hobensotwo 

who are you? 


Been lurking for 7 years... Still know nothing.. Weather fascinates..
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nsrobins
17 January 2015 06:45:04

A rather uninspiring forecast from Matt just now IMY (rain showers, rain near coast Sunday, etc etc), but again what was interesting and why it is in here is when questioned by Naga Munchsettee about next week he said 'Easterly winds bringing even colder weather our way - we'll keep a close eye on it'.


Note this was live not recorded. So, where are they getting this from? Most output continues to develop a westerly pattern later next week. Answers on a postcard.


Neil
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Whether Idle
17 January 2015 06:57:53
Answer is the models. Many GEFS have shown an easterly, and there is an easterly influenced and much improved 0z ECM at day 8. A time of gentle upgrades may await.
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SEMerc
17 January 2015 07:12:36

Answer is the models. Many GEFS have shown an easterly, and there is an easterly influenced and much improved 0z ECM at day 8. A time of gentle upgrades may await.

Originally Posted by: Whether Idle 


Well I'll give you 10 out of 10 for patience/optimism - in terms of upgrades. However, I see no signs of an easterly on the latest ECM. Indeed, it defaults to the FFS 'westerly' solution by day 10.

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