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Karl Guille
17 January 2015 17:47:23

Clutching at straws maybe, but there are half a dozen decent (if not especially cold) easterlies on the 12z GFS ensembles in the T228 period! I can't recall seeing those in the 06z ensembles?


St. Sampson
Guernsey
Whether Idle
17 January 2015 17:49:07


Extremely disappointing UKMO this evening.


Energy is forced on a ESE track meaning that disruption takes place to our north east. The door will no doubt open soon after for atlantic influences.


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Originally Posted by: Gusty 


GEFS PERTUBATION ALERT - there's about 5 of these out of 20 (25%) here's #17 @168:



and here's the slp spread at 126 on the 12 z GEFS:



To Scandi or not to Scandi? That is the question.


 


 


Dover, 5m asl. Half a mile from the south coast.
Whether Idle
17 January 2015 18:16:03

Thoughts on the 96 hour ECM?



 


Dover, 5m asl. Half a mile from the south coast.
Caz
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17 January 2015 18:18:23


Clutching at straws maybe, but there are half a dozen decent (if not especially cold) easterlies on the 12z GFS ensembles in the T228 period! I can't recall seeing those in the 06z ensembles?


Originally Posted by: Karl Guille 

I hope you get birthday snow Karl but I'm off to somewhere hot and sunny for mine this year.  So for a change I'm hoping we don't get snow, at least not disruptive snow overnight on Tuesday as we have a long drive to Gatwick in the early hours of Wednesday.  


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The Beast from the East
17 January 2015 18:23:07

Why cant this next low slide as well?


http://www.meteociel.fr/modeles/ecmwf/runs/2015011712/ECH1-120.GIF?17-0


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Whether Idle
17 January 2015 18:23:24

By 120 we have an easterly of sorts


 


Given the massive uncertainty even by this point, this is as far as you should look.



Dover, 5m asl. Half a mile from the south coast.
The Beast from the East
17 January 2015 18:25:22

at least its better than UKMO


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Kelly-Ann Conway - special adviser to the President
David M Porter
17 January 2015 18:26:50


 


Why do we always get suckered by eye candy?  Never believe it even at t+96 with cross model support! 


Originally Posted by: Maunder Minimum 


I'm sure that some people said the same about the eye candy that was appearing on the model runs in early December 2009, late November 2010 and then at various times in early 2013 to name a few recent occasions. One just never knows.


Lenzie, Glasgow

"Let us not take ourselves too seriously. None of us has a monopoly on wisdom, and we must always be ready to listen and respect other points of view."- Queen Elizabeth II 1926-2022
The Beast from the East
17 January 2015 18:29:15

http://www.meteociel.fr/modeles/ecmwf/runs/2015011712/ECH1-144.GIF?17-0


There is some disruption and some energy going under. Block is not dead yet


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Kelly-Ann Conway - special adviser to the President
Quantum
17 January 2015 18:33:21

People should focus on the low near Newfoundland, not the one hitting us, it is the rapid cyclogenesis of that which disrupts the amplificaton and plunges us back into a westerly. It really doesn't matter what the other low does.


 


2023/2024 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):
29/11 (-6), 30/11 (-6), 02/12 (-5), 03/12 (-5), 04/12 (-3), 16/01 (-3), 18/01 (-8), 08/02 (-5)

Total: 8 days with snow/sleet falling.

2022/2023 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

18/12 (-1), 06/03 (-6), 08/03 (-8), 09/03 (-6), 10/03 (-8), 11/03 (-5), 14/03 (-6)

Total: 7 days with snow/sleet falling.

2021/2022 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

26/11 (-5), 27/11 (-7), 28/11 (-6), 02/12 (-6), 06/01 (-5), 07/01 (-6), 06/02 (-5), 19/02 (-5), 24/02 (-7), 30/03 (-7), 31/03 (-8), 01/04 (-8)
Total: 12 days with snow/sleet falling.
SEMerc
17 January 2015 18:50:45


http://www.meteociel.fr/modeles/ecmwf/runs/2015011712/ECH1-144.GIF?17-0


There is some disruption and some energy going under. Block is not dead yet


Originally Posted by: The Beast from the East 


You can invoke the dead parrot sketch by T+192 though.

Gooner
17 January 2015 18:54:07

The GFS control is rather interesting


Remember anything after T120 is really Just For Fun



Marcus
Banbury
North Oxfordshire
378 feet A S L


bledur
17 January 2015 19:15:16

When you look at the ensembles , gfs and ecmwf , i dont think they ever showed it very cold so snow was always to be marginal in this colder spell for lowland england. Of course parts of Scotland are doing very well for snowfall as they did last year.


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David M Porter
17 January 2015 20:08:23

While the models are not showing a "holy grail" type cold spell anytime soon, the runs we have at the moment are no worse tha  the vast majority of runs we saw for a long while up until as week or so ago. There were some people in this thread who seemed to be ready to write off the rest of January for any chance of cold and snow during the opening days of this month in the face of what seemed like pretty poor model output at the time. This colder spell has taken me by surprise somewhat in view of the sort of runs we were getting around New Year.


As others have said, I think that FI starts pretty early just now, and we shouldn't put a great amount of faith in output shown for later next week and beyond that.


Lenzie, Glasgow

"Let us not take ourselves too seriously. None of us has a monopoly on wisdom, and we must always be ready to listen and respect other points of view."- Queen Elizabeth II 1926-2022
Karl Guille
17 January 2015 20:30:01
As I have said many times before anything other than an easterly or north-easterly fails to deliver in the Channel Islands so the lower likelihood of the Scandi High or holding low over France options at this time means that any easterly winds down here will most likely be relatively short lived. Disappointing but not exactly unexpected and I still think there could be a twist or two to come from the models as we head into next week.
St. Sampson
Guernsey
Quantum
17 January 2015 20:49:44

The WRF and Euro4 are going for quite a bit of snow in the NE tommorow, which could even start to lie in the late afternoon. Think this one is worth watching, perhaps a yellow warning later?


 


2023/2024 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):
29/11 (-6), 30/11 (-6), 02/12 (-5), 03/12 (-5), 04/12 (-3), 16/01 (-3), 18/01 (-8), 08/02 (-5)

Total: 8 days with snow/sleet falling.

2022/2023 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

18/12 (-1), 06/03 (-6), 08/03 (-8), 09/03 (-6), 10/03 (-8), 11/03 (-5), 14/03 (-6)

Total: 7 days with snow/sleet falling.

2021/2022 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

26/11 (-5), 27/11 (-7), 28/11 (-6), 02/12 (-6), 06/01 (-5), 07/01 (-6), 06/02 (-5), 19/02 (-5), 24/02 (-7), 30/03 (-7), 31/03 (-8), 01/04 (-8)
Total: 12 days with snow/sleet falling.
17 January 2015 21:35:13

No point looking too far ahead in this setup as there is a huge amount of uncertainty. There is plenty of interest across most of the UK over the course of the next 24 hours.


A fair bit of snow to come for many northern areas in the next 24 hours if the ultra high res WRF-NMM model is to be believed.


A significant band of snow moving south across Scotland overnight gradually weakening as it does so


http://modeles.meteociel.fr/modeles/wrfnmm/runs/2015011712/nmm_uk1-1-11-3.png?17-17


http://modeles.meteociel.fr/modeles/wrfnmm/runs/2015011712/nmm_uk1-1-13-3.png?17-17


http://modeles.meteociel.fr/modeles/wrfnmm/runs/2015011712/nmm_uk1-1-16-3.png?17-17


Snow showers tomorrow morning become more significant during the afternoon especially in the east


http://modeles.meteociel.fr/modeles/wrfnmm/runs/2015011712/nmm_uk1-1-28-3.png?17-18


http://modeles.meteociel.fr/modeles/wrfnmm/runs/2015011712/nmm_uk1-1-30-3.png?17-18


Further south the band of snow reaches Cumbria and Northumberland by breakfast time. However the precipitation largely peters out by the time it reaches the Midlands - although Snowdonia could see some a fair bit of snow.


http://modeles.meteociel.fr/modeles/wrfnmm/runs/2015011712/nmm_uk1-1-19-2.png?17-17


http://modeles.meteociel.fr/modeles/wrfnmm/runs/2015011712/nmm_uk1-1-22-2.png?17-17


http://modeles.meteociel.fr/modeles/wrfnmm/runs/2015011712/nmm_uk1-1-24-2.png?17-18


Snow showers come into the NE of England off the North Sea later in the afternoon


http://modeles.meteociel.fr/modeles/wrfnmm/runs/2015011712/nmm_uk1-1-28-2.png?17-18


Further south still an area of more organised showers moves gradually south-east from South Wales across southern England. A mixture of rain / sleet and snow with most of the snow over high ground. A risk of some very heavy rain near the coasts of East Sussex and Kent.


http://modeles.meteociel.fr/modeles/wrfnmm/runs/2015011712/nmm_uk1-1-10-1.png?17-17


http://modeles.meteociel.fr/modeles/wrfnmm/runs/2015011712/nmm_uk1-1-14-1.png?17-17


http://modeles.meteociel.fr/modeles/wrfnmm/runs/2015011712/nmm_uk1-1-17-1.png?17-17


http://modeles.meteociel.fr/modeles/wrfnmm/runs/2015011712/nmm_uk1-1-19-1.png?17-17

idj20
17 January 2015 21:52:20


No point looking too far ahead in this setup as there is a huge amount of uncertainty. There is plenty of interest across most of the UK over the course of the next 24 hours.


A fair bit of snow to come for many northern areas in the next 24 hours if the ultra high res WRF-NMM model is to be believed.


A significant band of snow moving south across Scotland overnight gradually weakening as it does so


http://modeles.meteociel.fr/modeles/wrfnmm/runs/2015011712/nmm_uk1-1-11-3.png?17-17


http://modeles.meteociel.fr/modeles/wrfnmm/runs/2015011712/nmm_uk1-1-13-3.png?17-17


http://modeles.meteociel.fr/modeles/wrfnmm/runs/2015011712/nmm_uk1-1-16-3.png?17-17


Snow showers tomorrow morning become more significant during the afternoon especially in the east


http://modeles.meteociel.fr/modeles/wrfnmm/runs/2015011712/nmm_uk1-1-28-3.png?17-18


http://modeles.meteociel.fr/modeles/wrfnmm/runs/2015011712/nmm_uk1-1-30-3.png?17-18


Further south the band of snow reaches Cumbria and Northumberland by breakfast time. However the precipitation largely peters out by the time it reaches the Midlands - although Snowdonia could see some a fair bit of snow.


http://modeles.meteociel.fr/modeles/wrfnmm/runs/2015011712/nmm_uk1-1-19-2.png?17-17


http://modeles.meteociel.fr/modeles/wrfnmm/runs/2015011712/nmm_uk1-1-22-2.png?17-17


http://modeles.meteociel.fr/modeles/wrfnmm/runs/2015011712/nmm_uk1-1-24-2.png?17-18


Snow showers come into the NE of England off the North Sea later in the afternoon


http://modeles.meteociel.fr/modeles/wrfnmm/runs/2015011712/nmm_uk1-1-28-2.png?17-18


Further south still an area of more organised showers moves gradually south-east from South Wales across southern England. A mixture of rain / sleet and snow with most of the snow over high ground. A risk of some very heavy rain near the coasts of East Sussex and Kent.


http://modeles.meteociel.fr/modeles/wrfnmm/runs/2015011712/nmm_uk1-1-10-1.png?17-17


http://modeles.meteociel.fr/modeles/wrfnmm/runs/2015011712/nmm_uk1-1-14-1.png?17-17


http://modeles.meteociel.fr/modeles/wrfnmm/runs/2015011712/nmm_uk1-1-17-1.png?17-17


http://modeles.meteociel.fr/modeles/wrfnmm/runs/2015011712/nmm_uk1-1-19-1.png?17-17


Originally Posted by: Global Warming 


Great, more rain. I've already had enough of the bloody stuff. Good job Folkestone isn't prone to flooding.


Folkestone Harbour. 
nsrobins
17 January 2015 22:17:05

At +132 the Scandy ridge I concede is more influencial on this run keeping the cold in place - just - until Friday morning.


Neil
Fareham, Hampshire 28m ASL (near estuary)
Stormchaser, Member TORRO
Whether Idle
17 January 2015 22:18:38


At +132 the Scandy ridge I concede is more influencial on this run keeping the cold in place - just - until Friday morning.


Originally Posted by: nsrobins 


Fancy an Icelandic Chinese @ 132?  All grist to the model mill



...and GFS has the easterly still there at the gates of FI:(Saturday)or a week away:



 


Dover, 5m asl. Half a mile from the south coast.
Karl Guille
17 January 2015 22:31:38

Subtle changes initially but by T174 the Scandi, whilst clearly weakening, is holding considerably better than it did on the 12z. A few more runs building on this scenario just could prolong this cold spell for another two or three days and who knows what that could lead to. I'll be watching the 18z ensembles with interest! 


St. Sampson
Guernsey
Whether Idle
17 January 2015 22:35:27

Subtle changes initially but by T174 the Scandi, whilst clearly weakening, is holding considerably better than it did on the 12z. A few more runs building on this scenario just could prolong this cold spell for another two or three days and who knows what that could lead to.

Originally Posted by: Karl Guille 


These charts will be different at t0 and it could be a hell of a lot better, or a hell of a lot worse.  Some people think they know, but they don't, no one does.  That's the beauty of it


Dover, 5m asl. Half a mile from the south coast.
nsrobins
17 January 2015 22:35:39


 


Fancy an Icelandic Chinese @ 132?  All grist to the model mill


 


 


Originally Posted by: Whether Idle 


CMA is the new NOGAPS


Neil
Fareham, Hampshire 28m ASL (near estuary)
Stormchaser, Member TORRO
Whether Idle
17 January 2015 22:39:11


 


CMA is the new NOGAPS


Originally Posted by: nsrobins 


It spotted the current spell before any other model, when they were flat zonal.


Dover, 5m asl. Half a mile from the south coast.
Phil G
17 January 2015 22:44:05

Temp on the 12z was showing 11c for here next Sunday, now the latest shows 3c. The high out East is stronger and more West and meeting the jet head on.
http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rtavn17414.gif


 


I also think FI is half way along the reliable frame as some others have already mentioned.

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