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Quantum
18 January 2015 12:17:32

Remember people marginal situations can often give the most memorable daily snowfalls. I am not implying that it necessarily will, but history remembers days where rain was forecast, and massive disruptive snow fell instead.


Also keep in mind the longer the surface is cold, the less uppers matter. In the UK subzero rain is rare, you simply don't get the thin warm layers you get in the US, a good rule of thumb is:


If the temp <0C then almost certainly snowfall provided precipitation is anything heavier than drizzle. There are exceptions, particularly ahead of warm fronts in SWerly winds, but usually this rule does apply (but please don't try to apply it to the NE US!).


If temp >0C then massive headache as snow might fall. This is where you use 850s e.c.t. 


 


2023/2024 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):
29/11 (-6), 30/11 (-6), 02/12 (-5), 03/12 (-5), 04/12 (-3), 16/01 (-3), 18/01 (-8), 08/02 (-5)

Total: 8 days with snow/sleet falling.

2022/2023 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

18/12 (-1), 06/03 (-6), 08/03 (-8), 09/03 (-6), 10/03 (-8), 11/03 (-5), 14/03 (-6)

Total: 7 days with snow/sleet falling.

2021/2022 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

26/11 (-5), 27/11 (-7), 28/11 (-6), 02/12 (-6), 06/01 (-5), 07/01 (-6), 06/02 (-5), 19/02 (-5), 24/02 (-7), 30/03 (-7), 31/03 (-8), 01/04 (-8)
Total: 12 days with snow/sleet falling.
Quantum
18 January 2015 12:43:54

Just to add to my previous point about how entrenched the cold air is progged to become (provided the output is accurate of course) here is a psycodelic 1960s map showing 2m temps midday on the 24th, look at how cold the air is, regardless of the uppers any heavy precip is going to be snow especially in scotland and W england.



As always if you want a bigger version click open in new tab.


These temps are essentially the maximums aswell, Hovering around freezing or just above for central parts of England away from coasts and the SE, below freezing in non-coastal N England, and well below in non-coastal Scotland. And as for the nighttime temps:



And assuming the Atlantic does come in, this is the twilight of the cold spell, with some Atlantic influence, still temps well below freezing for most places. And for those worried about the twilight, this is at 165 hours, so there is chance for it to still continue. And the cold air isn't blasted out of the east until 192! 


 


2023/2024 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):
29/11 (-6), 30/11 (-6), 02/12 (-5), 03/12 (-5), 04/12 (-3), 16/01 (-3), 18/01 (-8), 08/02 (-5)

Total: 8 days with snow/sleet falling.

2022/2023 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

18/12 (-1), 06/03 (-6), 08/03 (-8), 09/03 (-6), 10/03 (-8), 11/03 (-5), 14/03 (-6)

Total: 7 days with snow/sleet falling.

2021/2022 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

26/11 (-5), 27/11 (-7), 28/11 (-6), 02/12 (-6), 06/01 (-5), 07/01 (-6), 06/02 (-5), 19/02 (-5), 24/02 (-7), 30/03 (-7), 31/03 (-8), 01/04 (-8)
Total: 12 days with snow/sleet falling.
Saint Snow
18 January 2015 12:44:34


Remember people marginal situations can often give the most memorable daily snowfalls. I am not implying that it necessarily will, but history remembers days where rain was forecast, and massive disruptive snow fell instead.


Originally Posted by: Quantum 


We've had the opposite effect so far this 'cold' (read 'marginally cooler than normal ) snap, with forecast snow (at least in most of NW England) falling as a combination of rain or hail.


 



Also keep in mind the longer the surface is cold, the less uppers matter. In the UK subzero rain is rare, you simply don't get the thin warm layers you get in the US, a good rule of thumb is:


If the temp <0C then almost certainly snowfall provided precipitation is anything heavier than drizzle. There are exceptions, particularly ahead of warm fronts in SWerly winds, but usually this rule does apply (but please don't try to apply it to the NE US!).


If temp >0C then massive headache as snow might fall. This is where you use 850s e.c.t. 


Originally Posted by: Quantum 


I remember rain falling in subzero temps - I think in the 2011/12 winter. Most of the PPN band fell as snow across the UK, but a warm sector emerged in the western quadrant of the low. We had subzero temps on the ground from a cold & frosty snap preceding the PPN, but 850's up toward 0c. The result was some pretty impressive freezing rain that left a good 5mm of ice on all surfaces.



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Quantum
18 January 2015 12:54:46


 


We've had the opposite effect so far this 'cold' (read 'marginally cooler than normal ) snap, with forecast snow (at least in most of NW England) falling as a combination of rain or hail.


 


 


I remember rain falling in subzero temps - I think in the 2011/12 winter. Most of the PPN band fell as snow across the UK, but a warm sector emerged in the western quadrant of the low. We had subzero temps on the ground from a cold & frosty snap preceding the PPN, but 850's up toward 0c. The result was some pretty impressive freezing rain that left a good 5mm of ice on all surfaces.


Originally Posted by: Saint Snow 


Yeh, warm sector precip is an exception, but its pretty unusual to get subzero temps during a warm sector anyway, I'm not saying it doesn't happen, merely that rain falling in subzero ambient temperatures is highly unusual in the UK, compared to the US where it is common in the east. And to your other point, I think we have to wait for the cold air to get entrenched before snow begins to fall more universally. Strong winds prevent cold air from pooling at the surface, once we loose the northerly I expect the surfaces to cool down very quickly, especially since we are in calm nearly -10 upper air!


Somewhat ironically, the light southerly winds ahead of a front are usually capable of producing air colder than a direct northerly provided the air is already cold. 


2023/2024 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):
29/11 (-6), 30/11 (-6), 02/12 (-5), 03/12 (-5), 04/12 (-3), 16/01 (-3), 18/01 (-8), 08/02 (-5)

Total: 8 days with snow/sleet falling.

2022/2023 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

18/12 (-1), 06/03 (-6), 08/03 (-8), 09/03 (-6), 10/03 (-8), 11/03 (-5), 14/03 (-6)

Total: 7 days with snow/sleet falling.

2021/2022 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

26/11 (-5), 27/11 (-7), 28/11 (-6), 02/12 (-6), 06/01 (-5), 07/01 (-6), 06/02 (-5), 19/02 (-5), 24/02 (-7), 30/03 (-7), 31/03 (-8), 01/04 (-8)
Total: 12 days with snow/sleet falling.
Fothergill
18 January 2015 12:58:46

I'm not buying the GFS output of late. The spreads on the GEFS 06z at day 9 vs spreads on ECM ens:




Clearly more confidence from the ECM than the GEFS which is all over the place. Maybe because the GEFS is detecting something the ECM isn't but I doubt it.


The mean for the ECM spread chart:


Quantum
18 January 2015 13:00:42

Looked at the 6Z ensembles, most are chilly if not very cold and LP dominated so snow for some. Clearly its finely balanced with westerlies returning or cold enduring undecided as yet, I can't take most of the 0Z seriously when the ensembles paint a rather different picture.


The 0Z EPS are upgraded as-well, the maximun doesn't get above 5C for London until the 30th. Also a cold cluster which keeps things very cold.


2023/2024 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):
29/11 (-6), 30/11 (-6), 02/12 (-5), 03/12 (-5), 04/12 (-3), 16/01 (-3), 18/01 (-8), 08/02 (-5)

Total: 8 days with snow/sleet falling.

2022/2023 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

18/12 (-1), 06/03 (-6), 08/03 (-8), 09/03 (-6), 10/03 (-8), 11/03 (-5), 14/03 (-6)

Total: 7 days with snow/sleet falling.

2021/2022 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

26/11 (-5), 27/11 (-7), 28/11 (-6), 02/12 (-6), 06/01 (-5), 07/01 (-6), 06/02 (-5), 19/02 (-5), 24/02 (-7), 30/03 (-7), 31/03 (-8), 01/04 (-8)
Total: 12 days with snow/sleet falling.
Quantum
18 January 2015 13:04:00


I'm not buying the GFS output of late. The spreads on the GEFS 06z at day 9 vs spreads on ECM ens:


Originally Posted by: Fothergill 


I don't think the mean is telling the whole story here, there is massive scatter on the EPS from about 192 onwards at the surface, even if the scatter at the 500 level is more limited. 


2023/2024 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):
29/11 (-6), 30/11 (-6), 02/12 (-5), 03/12 (-5), 04/12 (-3), 16/01 (-3), 18/01 (-8), 08/02 (-5)

Total: 8 days with snow/sleet falling.

2022/2023 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

18/12 (-1), 06/03 (-6), 08/03 (-8), 09/03 (-6), 10/03 (-8), 11/03 (-5), 14/03 (-6)

Total: 7 days with snow/sleet falling.

2021/2022 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

26/11 (-5), 27/11 (-7), 28/11 (-6), 02/12 (-6), 06/01 (-5), 07/01 (-6), 06/02 (-5), 19/02 (-5), 24/02 (-7), 30/03 (-7), 31/03 (-8), 01/04 (-8)
Total: 12 days with snow/sleet falling.
colin46
18 January 2015 13:20:07
Rather uninspiring weather for week ahead according to MT , mainly dry with harsh frosts in Scotland,cold everywhere else,,temps by day 5-7 in south with periods of light rain. fog risk later in week! chilly weather remaining in place till next weekend , after that who knows.
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moomin75
18 January 2015 13:25:58

Rather uninspiring weather for week ahead according to MT , mainly dry with harsh frosts in Scotland,cold everywhere else,,temps by day 5-7 in south with periods of light rain. fog risk later in week! chilly weather remaining in place till next weekend , after that who knows.

Originally Posted by: colin46 


Indeed. My thoughts entirely and is 5 to 7 in January really a cold spell? 


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18 January 2015 13:26:52

Trying to pin down the detail for Tuesday and Wednesday is going to be difficult but as this period is now within the timeframe of the high res models we can start to get an idea of what might happen.


I focus here on southern England in particular as that is of interest to me.


Tuesday


A little area of low pressure develops over off the southern Cornish coast early in the day and moves NE into Lyme Bay


http://modeles.meteociel.fr/modeles/wrfnmm/runs/2015011806/nmmuk-2-50-0.png?18-12


http://modeles.meteociel.fr/modeles/wrfnmm/runs/2015011806/nmmuk-2-57-0.png?18-12


The low then tracks east just off the south coast before turning NE again and tracking over Kent overnight


http://modeles.meteociel.fr/modeles/wrfnmm/runs/2015011806/nmmuk-2-62-0.png?18-12


http://modeles.meteociel.fr/modeles/wrfnmm/runs/2015011806/nmmuk-2-68-0.png?18-12


Thicknesses are too high really for snow - the 528 mark is the boundary between the light blue and medium blue colours


http://modeles.meteociel.fr/modeles/wrfnmm/runs/2015011806/nmmuk-17-57-0.png?18-12


http://modeles.meteociel.fr/modeles/wrfnmm/runs/2015011806/nmmuk-17-65-0.png?18-12


Dew points way too high even inland away from the coast


http://modeles.meteociel.fr/modeles/wrfnmm/runs/2015011806/nmmuk-18-57-0.png?18-12


http://modeles.meteociel.fr/modeles/wrfnmm/runs/2015011806/nmmuk-18-65-0.png?18-12


So I would expect rain for all from this little system except perhaps over the very highest ground to the NW of London over the Chilterns


http://modeles.meteociel.fr/modeles/wrfnmm/runs/2015011806/nmmuk-1-57-0.png?18-12


http://modeles.meteociel.fr/modeles/wrfnmm/runs/2015011806/nmmuk-1-65-0.png?18-12


Wednesday


Another area of low pressure develops over Lyme Bay at 06z. We have to pan out a bit to see the rest of the run but the low does track east along the south coast or just inland before tracking NNE into East Anglia


http://modeles.meteociel.fr/modeles/wrfnmm/runs/2015011806/nmmuk-2-72-0.png?18-12


http://modeles.meteociel.fr/modeles/wrfnmm/runs/2015011806/nmm-2-74-0.png?18-12


http://modeles.meteociel.fr/modeles/wrfnmm/runs/2015011806/nmm-2-78-0.png?18-12


http://modeles.meteociel.fr/modeles/wrfnmm/runs/2015011806/nmm-2-82-0.png?18-12


Thicknesses are more favourable than Tuesday especially to the west of the low where they start to dip below 524dam


http://modeles.meteociel.fr/modeles/wrfnmm/runs/2015011806/nmm-17-78-0.png?18-12


http://modeles.meteociel.fr/modeles/wrfnmm/runs/2015011806/nmm-17-84-0.png?18-12


Dew points start the day close to freezing inland but then increase to a couple of degrees above through the area of precipitation


http://modeles.meteociel.fr/modeles/wrfnmm/runs/2015011806/nmm-18-72-0.png?18-12


http://modeles.meteociel.fr/modeles/wrfnmm/runs/2015011806/nmm-18-78-0.png?18-12


http://modeles.meteociel.fr/modeles/wrfnmm/runs/2015011806/nmm-18-84-0.png?18-12


The precipitation is quite heavy and in a very narrow band. The charts here show it falling increasingly as snow although largely rain on the leading edge. It is very marginal indeed. I think it is only the intensity that is resulting in the snow being predicted around the middle of the day.


http://modeles.meteociel.fr/modeles/wrfnmm/runs/2015011806/nmm-1-74-0.png?18-12


http://modeles.meteociel.fr/modeles/wrfnmm/runs/2015011806/nmm-1-76-0.png?18-12


http://modeles.meteociel.fr/modeles/wrfnmm/runs/2015011806/nmm-1-81-0.png?18-12


The precipitation moves through quite quickly but could give 2-5cm of cover in places


http://modeles.meteociel.fr/modeles/wrfnmm/runs/2015011806/nmm-26-86-0.png?18-12


The area of low pressure then doubles back on itself and moves south again towards Hampshire overnight bringing further light snow with it


http://modeles.meteociel.fr/modeles/wrfnmm/runs/2015011806/nmm-2-96-0.png?18-12


http://modeles.meteociel.fr/modeles/wrfnmm/runs/2015011806/nmm-1-96-0.png?18-12


The detail will no doubt change from run to run but it is all very marginal and at best (away from the highest ground) we might see 2-5cm across parts of the Midlands and central southern England by Thursday morning.


http://modeles.meteociel.fr/modeles/wrfnmm/runs/2015011806/nmm-26-96-0.png?18-12

Jive Buddy
18 January 2015 13:32:19


Snip....lot's of very useful analysis.../snip


Originally Posted by: Global Warming 


Thank you GW - very interesting and informative post there 


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Quantum
18 January 2015 13:40:34

One question, sorry for being slightly off topic. Do people prefer this sort of chart



with a continuous colour gradient to the discrete one, you can still see the 5C contours which are marked in black, but the 1C are obviously harder to see.


Anyway this is for 6am tommorow, a ridge building from the west cools down the temperatures, particularly in W scotland where it looks like one or two spots will see -16C.


 


2023/2024 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):
29/11 (-6), 30/11 (-6), 02/12 (-5), 03/12 (-5), 04/12 (-3), 16/01 (-3), 18/01 (-8), 08/02 (-5)

Total: 8 days with snow/sleet falling.

2022/2023 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

18/12 (-1), 06/03 (-6), 08/03 (-8), 09/03 (-6), 10/03 (-8), 11/03 (-5), 14/03 (-6)

Total: 7 days with snow/sleet falling.

2021/2022 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

26/11 (-5), 27/11 (-7), 28/11 (-6), 02/12 (-6), 06/01 (-5), 07/01 (-6), 06/02 (-5), 19/02 (-5), 24/02 (-7), 30/03 (-7), 31/03 (-8), 01/04 (-8)
Total: 12 days with snow/sleet falling.
John p
18 January 2015 13:40:48


 


Indeed. My thoughts entirely and is 5 to 7 in January really a cold spell? 


Originally Posted by: moomin75 


http://www.theweatheroutlook.com/twocommunity/default.aspx?g=posts&m=664135&find=unread


 


cool


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Gooner
18 January 2015 13:55:02


 


Indeed. My thoughts entirely and is 5 to 7 in January really a cold spell? 


Originally Posted by: moomin75 


it is 2.2c here and will start to fall in an hour or so , the beeb had 4c for major towns tomorrow so much colder away from those areas


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Retron
18 January 2015 14:14:54


Indeed. My thoughts entirely and is 5 to 7 in January really a cold spell? 


Originally Posted by: moomin75 


A) It's not going to be 5 - 7, more like 3 - 5 with the exception of the far southern coastal strip


B) Yes, it is a cold spell.


The nearest station average to me is Shoeburyness, 81-10 average January high: 7.5C.


Today's high was 4C (and it's now 3C and falling). MOGREPS shows the median high for the next 6 days as:


2C, 2C, 3C, 5C, 4C, 5C.


That would give a 1-week average high of 3.5C - exactly 4 degrees colder than average. That's a cold spell.


I'm sure it's similar for other southern areas too.


Leysdown, north Kent
smeeagain
18 January 2015 14:38:49


 


A) It's not going to be 5 - 7, more like 3 - 5 with the exception of the far southern coastal strip


B) Yes, it is a cold spell.


The nearest station average to me is Shoeburyness, 81-10 average January high: 7.5C.


Today's high was 4C (and it's now 3C and falling). MOGREPS shows the median high for the next 6 days as:


2C, 2C, 3C, 5C, 4C, 5C.


That would give a 1-week average high of 3.5C - exactly 4 degrees colder than average. That's a cold spell.


I'm sure it's similar for other southern areas too.


Originally Posted by: Retron 


 


Thankyou. The voice of reason.

HOTandCOLD
18 January 2015 14:56:04

528 line on the fax for Tuesday doesn't seem to nudged quite as far north on today's update compared to yesterday.


 


http://www.theweatheroutlook.com/twodata/datmdlout.aspx

Girthmeister
18 January 2015 15:12:33


One question, sorry for being slightly off topic. Do people prefer this sort of chart



with a continuous colour gradient to the discrete one, you can still see the 5C contours which are marked in black, but the 1C are obviously harder to see.


Anyway this is for 6am tommorow, a ridge building from the west cools down the temperatures, particularly in W scotland where it looks like one or two spots will see -16C.


 


Originally Posted by: Quantum 


I prefer the discrete palette - much easier to discern.

Essan
18 January 2015 15:35:41


 


Indeed. My thoughts entirely and is 5 to 7 in January really a cold spell? 


Originally Posted by: moomin75 



Depends on where you live.

In Aviemore, no.

In Brisbane, yes.




And here in Evesham, I doubt it will be that warm.  So yes, a cold spell.   And moreover the first in 2 years ....


 


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Stormchaser
18 January 2015 15:37:36

After reading today's extensive and detailed post by Tamara, it has become clear to me that there are some strong, complicated and highly significant events taking place in the northern hemisphere at the moment.


In a sentence, two strong mountain torque (MT) events are occurring in quick succession, the resulting 'global torque event' being likely to weaken the subtropical ridges (for our interests, the Azores High), then drive a substantial weakening of the jet stream as westerly momentum falls off a cliff (not literally) while also producing strong wave breaking into the stratosphere.


 


Some of the mechanisms involved are easier to visualise when informed that MT events are essentially air being pushed into high terrain (mountains in particular). Without going into the sort of technical detail that has left me with my head in my hands wondering what on earth I'm doing to myself on a few occasions recently, there is, in short, a big impact on the distribution of energy in the atmosphere (and also to a very small extent the Earth, though not the sort of thing you'd detect without super-sensitive equipment).


Air mass - hence energy - transport from the equator to the mid-latitudes is essentially what drives the sub-tropical ridges, so they can be strongly affected by MT events. In this particular case, they look to be dealt a heavy blow - so the Azores High should increasingly tend not to have much to do with our weather at all.


As this happens, the jet has the potential to head straight across the Atlantic to the UK, bringing a westerly regime that shoves the cold away to our east. Yet with reducing westerly momentum, it will be vulnerable to being disrupted by large blocking features such as the Siberian High, even more so in the face of cold pooling across the UK as well.


This is something that the models seem to be struggling to make a call on, and this is no surprise, as there's no guarantee that the jet will disrupt soon and persistently enough to avoid a westerly interlude, after which we'd have to wait for the Siberian High to build back west again.


If that sounds like more 'jam tomorrow' talk, I say fair enough, we have had to put up with a lot of setbacks this winter so far, this coming week very nearly falling to the same fate.


This time around, we look to have in place the vast Siberian High that was missing when we last went through similar motions back in December. Combined with a strong poleward ridge via Alaska being modelled to initiate some 7-8 days from now (sound familiar?), and more favourable (or at least, less unfavourable!) MJO/GWO behaviour (GWO is linked to the MTs... no need to worry about details I think), theodds are stacked more strongly in favour of the Atlantic jet - hence troughs - disrupting frequently, with lows sliding SE to undercut the Scandi/Siberian High. Those familiar with typical progressions will know that this tends to lead to either a stalemate situation in which the mild/cold boundary offers snow events, or a backing further west of the pattern to develop a -ve NAO (blocking to our NW).


Tamara was cheeky enough to describe the latter as a real possibility... with the required 'shameless ramp disclaimer' .


 


So who knows, next week could just be stage one in something bigger.


I would certainly like that to be the case, given how persistently the various model output presents most of England with little better than sleety rain for Tuesday, followed by Wednesday still struggling to deliver this far south (but I am a long way south, so be fair).


Admittedly Thursday looks like the most sufficient day for snow down here in nearly two years, but by then the English are chasing areas of what look to be increasingly light precipitation, and over the past few days, the models have been underestimating the extent to which precipitation has been diminished by cold air mass (which is inevitably drier).


I realise that the models may have the parameters a bit wrong, with Fergie suggesting that they're unlikely to be entirely on the mark, but it looks like a real stretch for the closest of those days to deliver for much of England away from high ground. The potential is far improved on Wednesday so good chances for much of England and Wales on that day - I just hope I get to join in either that day or Thursday .


 


All eyes on the 12z runs to see if ECM and/or GFS hold the pattern any further west than on their previous runs.


A weaker jet 6-7 days from now, with less progress of the LP developing N of the Azores, is a key target as that keeps the Scandi/Siberian High closer to our shores. A continued signal for that strong Alaska-Pole ridge is also vital.


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Essan
18 January 2015 15:44:04


In a sentence, two strong mountain torque (MT) events are occurring in quick succession


Originally Posted by: Stormchaser 



Okay, that is a term I have never heard of ..... 

Is it something to do with orogeny?   And please tell me that the Daily Mirror have not been told?


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Gooner
18 January 2015 16:14:11


HP getting its nose pushed out??


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Bagfish
18 January 2015 16:27:44

Question: can anyone explain what a "Convergence Line" is as shown on the current T+24 Bracknell Fax chart?  I've never seen one before.  I have read the Met Office's description (see last item on page), but this leaves me not much wiser.  How can it form parallel to the isobars when it is a convergence?


Chart posted below for info, convergence line is in the Irish sea close to Wales and SW England.


Bracknell chart +24hours 18th Jan 2015


 


 


 


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Fothergill
18 January 2015 16:30:05

A dissapointing GFS 12z IMO despite some early promise.


Day7:


http://images.meteociel.fr/im/5383/gfs-0-168_qpf8.png


UKMO is grim at +144hrs especially, good luck getting an easterly out of this.


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