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Ally Pally Snowman
26 June 2015 07:03:19

ECM ends on a very muggy chart for the South with the real heat never far away.


 


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Recm2402.html


 


 


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Rob K
26 June 2015 07:10:29

The 00z ensemble for London is pretty incredible. Mean reaching 20C and only a couple of stray runs bouncing around the 15C mark. And the op hits 23C and bounces back to the same level later on (I think - it's so high it gets hidden by the key!)

One for the album!


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/MT8_London_ens.png


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Gooner
26 June 2015 07:36:43

Some real warmth in th 0z be interesting to see just how high the temps do get


Shouldnt we be looking for a breakdown now as per the Winter


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TimS
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26 June 2015 07:36:59
If anything is for the album it's that Navgem 168 chart. It shows if nothing else that 40C is meteorologically possible in the UK in early July.

For some perspective, 27C is roughly 20C warmer than the average 850hpa temp. A similarly extreme cold snap in winter would mean 850s well -20C.
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GIBBY
26 June 2015 07:44:23

HERE IS MY LATEST ANALYSIS USING DATA SUPPLIED BY THE NWP OUTPUT COVERING 5 OF THE WORLDS MOST POWERFUL WEATHER COMPUTERS ISSUED AT 08:00 ON FRIDAY JUNE 26TH 2015.


THE CURRENT GENERAL SITUATION A weakening cold front will move East over the UK today with a ridge of High pressure building across the UK tonight and tomorrow.


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rtavn001.gif


MODELS-2 WEEK HEADLINE Becoming very warm next week with some thundery showers especially in the South and East. Cooler in the NW.


THE GFS JET STREAM FORECAST The GFS Jet Stream Forecast shows the flow expected to blow East across the UK over the coming days up to and including the weekend. The flow then ridges North over Britain at the same time as troughing South over the Atlantic setting up a Northerly moving jet just to the West of the UK later next week before a return to a stronger more SW to NE flow across the UK at the end of the period.


http://www.netweather.tv/index.cgi?action=jetstream


GFS OPERATIONAL The GFS Operational today shows several more days of changeable conditions with occasional rain from troughs moving East interspersed by dry and fine weather. Then pressure builds from the South and SE with some very warm air in tow, the extent of this on this run is restricted towards the South and East where some very warm and humid air will develop. Troughs though moving up against this heat from the West will trigger some thundery weather at times in the South and East and some rain elsewhere but the overall longer term theme remains for quite a bit of warm and sunny weather in the South and East with any rain most likely still towards the North and West


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rtavn1441.gif


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rtavn3841.gif


THE GFS CONTROL The GFS Control run shows Europe becoming very warm and hot with the UK always lying on the Western boundary of this with Atlantic cooler air battling it's way against this at times, without much success. This means the East and South will often be very warm or hot from next week with occasional thunderstorms while the West sees somewhat cooler air with thundery rain more extensive at times. Later in the run the heat ebbs away to a fresher but slacker Westerly flow.


THE GFS CLUSTERS The GFS Clusters today show High pressure largely dominant across or near the UK in 14 days time with just a handful of members showing anything particularly more unsettled with rain at times.


http://www.weatheronline.co.uk/cgi-bin/expertcharts?LANG=en&MENU=0000000000&CONT=euro&MODELL=gefs&MODELLTYP=2&BASE=-&VAR=cpre&HH=372&ZOOM=0&ARCHIV=0&RES=0&WMO=&PERIOD=


UKMO UKMO today shows high temperatures across the South and East next week as the Spanish plume affecting mainland Europe affects the South and SE of England too at times. Further North and West sees cooler air maintained with some troughing supporting the risk of some thundery rain or showers in places close to the heat with much mist and murk near Western and Southern coasts at times.


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rukm1441.gif


THE FAX CHARTS The Fax Charts support conditions warming up next week as Southerly winds are drawn North from Spain. Humidities do look like being high with the risk of thunder moving North by Day 5.


http://www.weathercharts.org/ukmomslp.htm#t120.


GEM GEM shows warm weather too developing next week as High pressure over Europe drives very warm and humid air North across the UK, principally the East and SE but to some degree elsewhere too. The air will often be de-stabilised by thundery Low pressure which will produce occasionally heavy downpours in the East and South before the end of the run finds cooler air having extended East across all of the UK.


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rgem2401.gif


NAVGEM NAVGEM too shows very warm and humid conditions across the UK from early next week with the heat proving stubborn to shift and possibly giving rise to some marked thunderstorms at times as heat and humidity from the West combine with the East still holding on to the heat 1 week from now.


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rnvg1681.gif.


ECM ECM this morning completes the set this morning also showing things becoming very warm and humid next week with the risk of thundery showers very much apparent as thundery Low pressure from quite early in the period attacks the heat from the SW. This lasts several days before a more meaningful push of cooler Atlantic air wins through late in the period with fresher conditions for all by then.


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Recm2401.gif


ECM 10 DAY MEAN The ECM 10 Day Mean Chart from last night shows Low pressure out to the West and NW of the UK, slack in nature and maintaining very warm air close to the SW with occasional thundery pulses likely to push NE across the SE at times with the freshest conditions towards the NW.


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Reem2401.gif


NOTABLE TREND CHANGES FROM PREVIOUS RUNS The trends continue to show a chance of a plume developing close to or just to the East of the UK next week.


31 DAY HISTORICAL VERIFICATION STATS FOR GFS, UKMO & ECM The current verification statistics for the past 31 days shows ECM leading the way at 3 days with 96.5 pts followed by UKMO at 95.4 pts and GFS at 95.2. At 5 days ECM  leads GFS at 85.3 pts with GFS at 82.8 pts and UKMO at 81.6 pts. At 8 days ECM clocks in ahead of GFS at 48.5 over 46.0. Then at Day 10 ECM remains ahead of GFS at 31.5 pts to 24.5 pts.


http://www.emc.ncep.noaa.gov/gmb/STATS_vsdb/allmodel/daily/cor/cor_day3_PMSL_MSL_G2NHX.png


http://www.emc.ncep.noaa.gov/gmb/STATS_vsdb/allmodel/daily/cor/cor_day5_PMSL_MSL_G2NHX.png


http://www.emc.ncep.noaa.gov/gmb/STATS_vsdb/allmodel/daily/cor/cor_day8_PMSL_MSL_G2NHX.png


http://www.emc.ncep.noaa.gov/gmb/STATS_vsdb/allmodel/daily/cor/cor_day10_PMSL_MSL_G2NHX.prig
 


MY THOUGHTS There remains a question mark on the extent of a Spanish Plume's extent and longevity across the UK next week. The one certainty is that the weather is going to warm up next week for almost all areas but most markedly so across the SE and East. Some very hot conditions could see temperatures top 30-32C across these areas if sunshine allows but there is a lot of support for humidity to quickly claim the dry and sunny Continental heat back to the other side of the channel and with a quick move over the UK towards instability and de-stabilisation in the middle and upper atmosphere across Central and Western areas meaning the risk of thundery rain and storms quickly becomes likely in places from midweek. Whether this means a quick departure of the plume is unclear with some ebbing and flowing of it's push East and back West again likely for some time. Longer term the models do seem to nudge the hot air even further away over Europe and others seep it away altogether with a more changeable and cooler Westerly flow likely by then but there is more than some evidence that warm and summery weather will never lie far away to the East and SE over Europe and chances of a re-run of the current plume as we move through July have got to be high under the developing synoptic pattern especially in the South and East of the UK. So summarising something for everyone is shown this morning with heat and sunshine promoting the risk of some rather nasty storms in places and the possibility of cooler and fresher air returning with time.


Next update from 08:00 Saturday June 27th 2015


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Gusty
26 June 2015 08:18:27

The heat being progged is simply staggering.


http://wxweb.meteostar.com/sample/sample.shtml?text=EGMD


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23c 850Hpa


29c 925 Hpa


 


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Quantum
26 June 2015 08:27:04

My god 42C isn't even a daily maxima thats the 7pm temp. The 1pm temp is:



Jesus, this probably corresponds to a daily maximum of 44C.


Truly remarkable, if unbelievable chart.


 


2023/2024 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):
29/11 (-6), 30/11 (-6), 02/12 (-5), 03/12 (-5), 04/12 (-3), 16/01 (-3), 18/01 (-8), 08/02 (-5)

Total: 8 days with snow/sleet falling.

2022/2023 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

18/12 (-1), 06/03 (-6), 08/03 (-8), 09/03 (-6), 10/03 (-8), 11/03 (-5), 14/03 (-6)

Total: 7 days with snow/sleet falling.

2021/2022 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

26/11 (-5), 27/11 (-7), 28/11 (-6), 02/12 (-6), 06/01 (-5), 07/01 (-6), 06/02 (-5), 19/02 (-5), 24/02 (-7), 30/03 (-7), 31/03 (-8), 01/04 (-8)
Total: 12 days with snow/sleet falling.
Polar Low
26 June 2015 08:28:29

Ecm Mean looks much better Matty very warm if not hot towards the south and s/e very good run for most



 


[quote=Matty H;703035ECM is a blink and you'll miss it affair. I'd prefer the GFS please. Cheers. 


Polar Low
26 June 2015 08:35:38

Many members continue the very warm /hot theme for the s/e at least, very good mean stability on hpa- pressure as we head into mid summer.


Quantum
26 June 2015 08:38:45

ECM still showing the least impressive of all the temperatures, although I should point out that that still means something around 33C or 34C maximum!


 


2023/2024 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):
29/11 (-6), 30/11 (-6), 02/12 (-5), 03/12 (-5), 04/12 (-3), 16/01 (-3), 18/01 (-8), 08/02 (-5)

Total: 8 days with snow/sleet falling.

2022/2023 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

18/12 (-1), 06/03 (-6), 08/03 (-8), 09/03 (-6), 10/03 (-8), 11/03 (-5), 14/03 (-6)

Total: 7 days with snow/sleet falling.

2021/2022 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

26/11 (-5), 27/11 (-7), 28/11 (-6), 02/12 (-6), 06/01 (-5), 07/01 (-6), 06/02 (-5), 19/02 (-5), 24/02 (-7), 30/03 (-7), 31/03 (-8), 01/04 (-8)
Total: 12 days with snow/sleet falling.
eddied
26 June 2015 08:42:32

Starting to believe that a 36c is possible. I know some are saying it needs to warm for a while first but with 26c yesterday and the sun warming things up here again today, it's doable I reckon. 


100f + no way though. Plume would need a few more days for that. 


Location: Reigate, Surrey 105m ASL

Winter 22/23
Days snow falling: 4
Days snow on ground:8
Max snow depths: 6cm (December 19th ish)

Summer 2022 max 39C on July 19th
Summer 2021 max: 32C on July 18th
Summer 2020 max: 36C on July 31st
Polar Low
26 June 2015 08:47:30

That's a nice Omega block just to our east from both when you look at here



 

Brian Gaze
26 June 2015 08:56:49


Starting to believe that a 36c is possible. I know some are saying it needs to warm for a while first but with 26c yesterday and the sun warming things up here again today, it's doable I reckon. 


100f + no way though. Plume would need a few more days for that. 


Originally Posted by: eddied 


Someone pointed out to me yesterday that rainfall totals across much of Europe have been below par in recent months so the ground is pretty dry. Should help matters increasing the potential for blowtorch heat next week. 


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eddied
26 June 2015 09:02:11


 


Someone pointed out to me yesterday that rainfall totals across much of Europe have been below par in recent months so the ground is pretty dry. Should help matters increasing the potential for blowtorch heat next week. 


Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 


 


the ground is pretty dry across the South too. Not that we've had a drought but we've not had that much rain either and the nagging wind has browned the grass at least. Would be interesting to know how soil moisture levels compare right now, but not sure where to get the data. 


Location: Reigate, Surrey 105m ASL

Winter 22/23
Days snow falling: 4
Days snow on ground:8
Max snow depths: 6cm (December 19th ish)

Summer 2022 max 39C on July 19th
Summer 2021 max: 32C on July 18th
Summer 2020 max: 36C on July 31st
Charmhills
26 June 2015 09:06:42

I can't help but wonder if the heat is being over done by the models..................


I still expect a downgrade temps wise that is as we get closer to the time.


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Brian Gaze
26 June 2015 09:07:03


 


 


the ground is pretty dry across the South too. Not that we've had a drought but we've not had that much rain either and the nagging wind has browned the grass at least. Would be interesting to know how soil moisture levels compare right now, but not sure where to get the data. 


Originally Posted by: eddied 


Yes, I was including the south here too. 



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Quantum
26 June 2015 09:09:20

I don't know, I think we could be yet surprised. 


 


One thing I noticed is that the extreme temps (particular summer maxima and winter minima) do not lag as much as the average (notice the 90th and 95th percentiles are both in the first week of july lagging behind the average). The summer solsdist is the day when the sun it at its strongest, my guess is that with colder seas extreme synoptics are less likely however the most possible extreme conditions are actually closer to the solsdists.


CETT


(I reckon the most extreme possible temp would occur in the first week of July with a CET of about 26C)


Looking at the winter minima (for comparison purposes), they were mostly recorded very close and often a little after the solsdist. These are all the regional (or national) extreme winter low day maxima and night minima temp records:


23 December


24 December


29 December


30 December


10 January


10 January


11 January


21 January


11 February


The February (all time joint low min) one is clearly the outlier here. The winter solsdist is 21st December on average. So its interesting to note that 2/9 are within a week of the solsdist, 4/9 within two weeks and all except one within a month. And again ignoring the 11 feburary exception all are well before the first week of February (which is the average seasonal low point).


2003 max temp was recorded in early August where the synoptics are far more forgiving (like a cold spell is probably more likely in early february than early january) however this is more than a month after the solsdist and highly unlikely to represent the true potential we could reach. Early august 38C I would say easily corresponds to early July 40C, but the synoptics that could support that are just far rarer (just like if Early january wasn't so cyclone dominated it would easily be the coldest part of the winter)


 


 


Usual caveat: Please please please don't misinterpret this post to mean I am forecasting 40C; I'm not. nor am I saying its likely. 


 


 


2023/2024 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):
29/11 (-6), 30/11 (-6), 02/12 (-5), 03/12 (-5), 04/12 (-3), 16/01 (-3), 18/01 (-8), 08/02 (-5)

Total: 8 days with snow/sleet falling.

2022/2023 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

18/12 (-1), 06/03 (-6), 08/03 (-8), 09/03 (-6), 10/03 (-8), 11/03 (-5), 14/03 (-6)

Total: 7 days with snow/sleet falling.

2021/2022 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

26/11 (-5), 27/11 (-7), 28/11 (-6), 02/12 (-6), 06/01 (-5), 07/01 (-6), 06/02 (-5), 19/02 (-5), 24/02 (-7), 30/03 (-7), 31/03 (-8), 01/04 (-8)
Total: 12 days with snow/sleet falling.
Hungry Tiger
26 June 2015 09:09:57


 


 


Hottest UK chart in history! Who's up for 42c. It has 27c 850s for the East!


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rnvg1682.html


 


Originally Posted by: Ally Pally Snowman 


That is the hottest chart I've ever seen for the UK. Incredible.


 


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Rob K
26 June 2015 09:12:20


Starting to believe that a 36c is possible. I know some are saying it needs to warm for a while first but with 26c yesterday and the sun warming things up here again today, it's doable I reckon. 


100f + no way though. Plume would need a few more days for that. 


Originally Posted by: eddied 


 


As I mentioned before, the 37C in August 1990 was from a relatively brief plume (and only 18C at 850mb too!).


At Heathrow it went from a max of just 23.9C on July 30 to a max of 34C on Aug 2 and 36.5C on Aug 3. By Aug 5 it was back down to a max of 24.4C.


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Polar Low
26 June 2015 09:13:00

you can set to 0 then move along and look around Europe


http://www.weatheronline.co.uk/cgi-bin/expertcharts?LANG=en&MENU=0000000000&CONT=frfr&MODELL=gfs&MODELLTYP=1&BASE=-&VAR=soil&HH=0&ARCHIV=0&PANEL=0&ZOOM=0&PERIOD=


 


 


 


 



 


 


the ground is pretty dry across the South too. Not that we've had a drought but we've not had that much rain either and the nagging wind has browned the grass at least. Would be interesting to know how soil moisture levels compare right now, but not sure where to get the data. 


Originally Posted by: eddied 

Hungry Tiger
26 June 2015 09:14:59

After looking at some of these charts - I'm starting to think that 40C in the UK is now possible.


:-O


 


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Matty H
26 June 2015 09:24:30


After looking at some of these charts - I'm starting to think that 40C in the UK is now possible.


:-O


 


Originally Posted by: Hungry Tiger 


It's certainly possible. There's no doubt about that as others above had stated and how Quantum has detailed. 


Will it happen next week? Almost certainly not. NAVGEM is way over what anything else is showing. If I had to hazard a guess now I would say 35c at somewhere like Heathrow, which is a dreadful weather station for local reasons, but will probably show the hottest temps. 


Gavin P
26 June 2015 10:07:43


 


It's certainly possible. There's no doubt about that as others above had stated and how Quantum has detailed. 


Will it happen next week? Almost certainly not. NAVGEM is way over what anything else is showing. If I had to hazard a guess now I would say 35c at somewhere like Heathrow, which is a dreadful weather station for local reasons, but will probably show the hottest temps. 


Originally Posted by: Matty H 


I don't think we'll get record-breaking temperatures (40C) next week but watch out for a "reload" the week after next... If the record was to go, that could be "the one"!


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Gooner
26 June 2015 10:09:43

http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rtavn10817.gif


Heat now showing its hand


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Gooner
26 June 2015 10:11:04


 


I don't think we'll get record-breaking temperatures (40C) next week but watch out for a "reload" the week after next... If the record was to go, that could be "the one"!


Originally Posted by: Gavin P 


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rtavn32417.gif


Yes there is a hint of it on the 0z


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