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Quantum
26 June 2015 18:46:27

General rule for 850 to surface temp conversion (maximun daytime, inland).


If the humidity is high add 10C


If the humidity is low add 15C


 


So for pretty consistent 20C uppers we are looking at 30C if the air is moist and thundery and 35C if its dry and sunny. Should we get to 25C we could break the 40C barrier.


 


2023/2024 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):
29/11 (-6), 30/11 (-6), 02/12 (-5), 03/12 (-5), 04/12 (-3), 16/01 (-3), 18/01 (-8), 08/02 (-5)

Total: 8 days with snow/sleet falling.

2022/2023 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

18/12 (-1), 06/03 (-6), 08/03 (-8), 09/03 (-6), 10/03 (-8), 11/03 (-5), 14/03 (-6)

Total: 7 days with snow/sleet falling.

2021/2022 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

26/11 (-5), 27/11 (-7), 28/11 (-6), 02/12 (-6), 06/01 (-5), 07/01 (-6), 06/02 (-5), 19/02 (-5), 24/02 (-7), 30/03 (-7), 31/03 (-8), 01/04 (-8)
Total: 12 days with snow/sleet falling.
Zubzero
26 June 2015 18:51:55

http://www.meteociel.fr/modeles/ecmwf/runs/2015062612/ECU0-192.GIF?26-0


 


ECM keep's the plume going for longer temp's widely in the low 30's id have thought.


Breaking the 35C+ mark will be down to when/if any storms thundery rain develops.

Ally Pally Snowman
26 June 2015 18:53:56

Only 18c 850s lol! Still very very hot especially in the East.


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Recm2162.html


 


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Ally Pally Snowman
26 June 2015 18:56:27


http://www.meteociel.fr/modeles/ecmwf/runs/2015062612/ECU0-192.GIF?26-0


 


ECM keep's the plume going for longer temp's widely in the low 30's id have thought.


Breaking the 35C+ mark will be down to when/if any storms thundery rain develops.


Originally Posted by: Zubzero 


 


If it's sunny I think we will get 37c/38c with 850s above 20c for 4 days in a row.


 


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Zubzero
26 June 2015 19:01:48


 


 


If it's sunny I think we will get 37c/38c with 850s above 20c for 4 days in a row.


 


Originally Posted by: Ally Pally Snowman 


 


I highly doubt it will get to 38C take's a near perfect set up to break 100f in the UK

26 June 2015 19:03:03


 


 


I highly doubt it will get to 38C take's a near perfect set up to break 100f in the UK


Originally Posted by: Zubzero 


38C might be a bit of a stretch but the July record looks under threat judging by the output tonight. The set-up isn't too far from perfect really 


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Ally Pally Snowman
26 June 2015 19:05:26

Exceptional ECM 12z ends on a very warm settled note. 76 esque run.


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Recm2402.html


 


Bishop's Stortford 85m ASL.
picturesareme
26 June 2015 19:07:34
If i recall correct I do remember seeing similar charts from back in 1944 with similar 850's for Western Europe during June/July. I'm not sure what kind of temperatures would have been recorded, but given there was a war and most of Europe was in tatters I imagine stations would have been far & few apart.

They are on that german site often linked in here 😉
Ally Pally Snowman
26 June 2015 19:07:53


 


 


I highly doubt it will get to 38C take's a near perfect set up to break 100f in the UK


Originally Posted by: Zubzero 


Ecm is very similar to August 2003 so we have a chance. 


 


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Cumbrian Snowman
26 June 2015 19:16:57


 


It's certainly possible. There's no doubt about that as others above had stated and how Quantum has detailed. 


Will it happen next week? Almost certainly not. NAVGEM is way over what anything else is showing. If I had to hazard a guess now I would say 35c at somewhere like Heathrow, which is a dreadful weather station for local reasons, but will probably show the hottest temps. 


Originally Posted by: Matty H 


 


I know it was a few pages back but there was a brief discussion on the fact that Heathrow may overdo its temperatures due to its location. with thanks to the met office I have obtained a photo of the station, looks fairly standard surrounded by grass. perhaps the temperatures can be more believed now ?


 


https://flic.kr/p/uWyzqq


David M Porter
26 June 2015 19:25:43


 


Ecm is very similar to August 2003 so we have a chance. 


 


Originally Posted by: Ally Pally Snowman 


Possibly, although the Aug 2003 record came after we had had temps of over 30c for more than a week IIRC, plus June & July 2003 had also seen very warm/hot weather at times, especially that July.


I think the duration of this hot spell will have a big say in whether any records are broken or not.


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Matty H
26 June 2015 19:26:51


 


 


I know it was a few pages back but there was a brief discussion on the fact that Heathrow may overdo its temperatures due to its location. with thanks to the met office I have obtained a photo of the station, looks fairly standard surrounded by grass. perhaps the temperatures can be more believed now ?


 


https://flic.kr/p/uWyzqq


Originally Posted by: Cumbrian Snowman 


Has it been moved?


Far too much of a coincidence that Heathrow so often maxes the top temp. There has to be a local reason as to why that is. It's not a climate reason. 


I don't know the answer by the way, but you can't help but think huge Tarmac areas, thousands of planes per day belching hot products of combustion into the air etc. 


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26 June 2015 19:47:35
Heathrow is at low altitude, in the warmest part of the South East away from any influence of the North Sea, it's directly North and in the lee of the highest hills in the North Downs during Southerly winds, and it is near the London urban area.

It is routinely warmer than City airport which is more concreted, right next to Canary Wharf, but in the cooler East London area affected by the Thames. I Think it is as bona fide as any other suburban station (and is often similar or a bit cooler than others nearby like Northolt, Wisley and Kew Gardens).

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Cumbrian Snowman
26 June 2015 19:57:12


 


Has it been moved?


Far too much of a coincidence that Heathrow so often maxes the top temp. There has to be a local reason as to why that is. It's not a climate reason. 


I don't know the answer by the way, but you can't help but think huge Tarmac areas, thousands of planes per day belching hot products of combustion into the air etc. 


Originally Posted by: Matty H 


 


The fence looks old as if its been there for years. The photo shows a Met office man checking the equipment so I assume they are happy with readings and passes there QC


Matty H
26 June 2015 20:00:21

Tim's post makes sense, and does explain why it often takes the crown. Anyone know what the nearest other official station to Heathrow is?


Gusty
26 June 2015 20:02:17

Folkestone Sands next week. 


Image result for heat on the beach


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Matty H
26 June 2015 20:06:17

Which one is Ian?


Gusty
26 June 2015 20:09:57


Which one is Ian?


Originally Posted by: Matty H 


He's taking the photo 


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Matty H
26 June 2015 20:10:57


 


He's taking the photo 


Originally Posted by: Gusty 


Gusty
26 June 2015 20:35:59


 


 


Thanks and I only after proper heat waves during summer since it becoming rarer.


Just beautiful ensembles graph, just beautiful with firm agreement for 20C uppers.


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/MT8_London_ens.png



Originally Posted by: Jiries 


Nice to see you back again Jiries. The forum has a good vibe again. We needed something like this. It's been such a long time since we have all been able to get excited about something potentially record breaking / historic.  


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nsrobins
26 June 2015 20:42:44


 


Nice to see you back again Jiries. The forum has a good vibe again. We needed something like this. It's been such a long time since we have all been able to get excited about something potentially record breaking / historic.  


Originally Posted by: Gusty 


Maybe getting excited doesn't apply to all Steve, as I for one can't stand hot weather. I will however concede that should temps nudge into the mid-30s then from an enthusiasts point of view I will be engaged in the hype (from the confines of Matty's super air-conditioned bedroom ) 😎😳


 


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Stormchaser
26 June 2015 20:44:21

Finally logged in via mobile!

The tropics are seeing a monumental change toward an El Nino type setup at long last after a number of failed attempts in recent weeks. The initial impact of this is to amplify the Atlantic jet.

Earlier efforts have brought about glancing blows from European plumes but with things flattening out too soon to achieve much as the tropical convection reset to a more La Niña type configuration.

In fact the models tended to overlook that a bit - hence big shunts east of the plume nearer the time.

This time they seem to be underestimating the magnitude of the mid-lat response and so we see adjustments to a more amplified pattern, holding the trough further west. Initial heat intensity is sacrificed in favour of longevity... during which the heat may build into the mid-30's anyway, as models tend to struggle with day-on-day heat build IMO.

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Matty H
26 June 2015 20:47:47


 


Maybe getting excited doesn't apply to all Steve, as I for one can't stand hot weather. I will however concede that should temps nudge into the mid-30s then from an enthusiasts point of view I will be engaged in the hype (from the confines of Matty's super air-conditioned bedroom ) 😎😳


 


Originally Posted by: nsrobins 


doctormog
26 June 2015 20:58:45
Get a room you two.

Oh, I see...

Anyhoo, it looks like we might make it into double figures here next week. Tempting fate but it would take quite a u-turn for it not to be notably warm/hot in parts next week. From a selfish point of view I would prefer a more direct southerly or even SSWly rather than an SE so we can share in the fun - failing that I will just head south for a bit!
idj20
26 June 2015 21:04:08


 


He's taking the photo 


Originally Posted by: Gusty 



Chances are I'd probably get arrested - or beaten up. I think I'll just stick to sitting on my favourite garden chair in the relative safety of the front garden. I should imagine afternoons and evenings are going to get rather rowdy around here thus making for interesting people watching as my house sits between the beach and the rest of the south east. It usually is a bit noisy every time it does get properly warm but that's the joys of living at a coastal resort - and there is now the new two way road system close by to my house as well so that will be put to the test (it had been one way leading to the harbour until a few months ago).


 


Folkestone Harbour. 

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