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Sevendust
08 December 2015 13:10:36
As has been the case for some time, the GFS ensembles continue to throw out cold outliers, often in the Control and Operational runs from mid-term. Whilst the form horse remains quite mild(many runs are not cold) it needs watching. I suspect it may just be a drip drip effect that will eventually bear fruit
Russwirral
08 December 2015 13:33:53

As has been the case for some time, the GFS ensembles continue to throw out cold outliers, often in the Control and Operational runs from mid-term. Whilst the form horse remains quite mild(many runs are not cold) it needs watching. I suspect it may just be a drip drip effect that will eventually bear fruit

Originally Posted by: Sevendust 

good point


 


If i was cold now, and the charts showed more clustering around a sustained cold spell - then GFS started to throw out a lot of Warm outliers to herald the end of a cold spell... would you start feeling nervous?


 


Yes - i really would!


bledur
08 December 2015 13:42:46

Brief cold snap round Christmas.


bledur
08 December 2015 13:45:11

And here is the February cold snap.


Gooner
08 December 2015 14:06:57


Brief cold snap round Christmas.



Originally Posted by: bledur 


They are all over the shop and change as frequently as a GFS run, but worth a look all the same


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Saint Snow
08 December 2015 15:29:56

A mid/late-December colder snap is off & on more frequently than Katie Price's ...er... wedding ring.


 


 



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Gooner
08 December 2015 16:33:39


Block again but looks as though it could push the cold blast away


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kmoorman
08 December 2015 16:46:28

Looks promising:


 



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lezrob
08 December 2015 16:47:04
To my untrained eye is the cold not getting further south?
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David M Porter
08 December 2015 16:51:59


Looks promising:


 



Originally Posted by: kmoorman 


I was expecting to see the GFS 12z take quite a different path to the 06z- not thus far!


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kmoorman
08 December 2015 16:53:07

To my untrained eye is the cold not getting further south?

Originally Posted by: lezrob 


It just fails to push the cold air all the way south, before the high gets squeezed and the cold flow cut off.


However, it's a step in the right direction, I'd say.


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kmoorman
08 December 2015 16:56:03

Lots of potential for Xmas.


 



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Ally Pally Snowman
08 December 2015 16:59:48

Not perfect for UK cold but some insane blocking from the GFS 12z. Very good signs!


http://www.meteociel.fr/modeles/gfse_cartes.php?&ech=336&mode=0&carte=1


 


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kmoorman
08 December 2015 17:01:21


Not perfect for UK cold but some insane blocking from the GFS 12z. Very good signs!


http://www.meteociel.fr/modeles/gfse_cartes.php?&ech=336&mode=0&carte=1


 


Originally Posted by: Ally Pally Snowman 


It's all about the trends....   well, let's hope so.  It wouldn't take much to turn the 12Z evolution into something nice for Christmas.   I hope it's reflected somewhere in the ensemble.


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Ally Pally Snowman
08 December 2015 17:13:19


 


It's all about the trends....   well, let's hope so.  It wouldn't take much to turn the 12Z evolution into something nice for Christmas.   I hope it's reflected somewhere in the ensemble.


Originally Posted by: kmoorman 


Indeed and what's good about that run is the blocking gets going at about 150h so not FI really. 


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David M Porter
08 December 2015 17:22:52


Not perfect for UK cold but some insane blocking from the GFS 12z. Very good signs!


http://www.meteociel.fr/modeles/gfse_cartes.php?&ech=336&mode=0&carte=1


 


Originally Posted by: Ally Pally Snowman 


Let's hope it does indeed become a trend.


Whether or not we eventually get a proper wintry spell is one thing, but I'm sure that a pattern change as is being suggested by the GFS would be very much welcomed by all those poor folk that were affected by the flooding last weekend. Fortunately we haven't had any floods where I am, but the ground has been saturated here since early November and probably couldn't take a great deal more rainfall without it causing flooding in my locality.


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Retron
08 December 2015 17:23:51
The 12z GFS op run (and to an extent the 6z too) is very much along the lines of the ECM 0z control run.
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White Meadows
08 December 2015 17:30:34
UKMO supports pressure rising over greenland at +144

http://jpwxcharts.blogspot.co.uk/2014/02/ukmo.html 
nsrobins
08 December 2015 17:31:46

Well now, it might be just starting to get a bit interesting . . . 😉


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Maunder Minimum
08 December 2015 17:32:01

All we know at this stage is that the PV is becoming disrupted - how that pans out for us is anybody's guess and any model's guess at the moment.


The 12Z Op produces some of the more appetising scenarios - I will take a bite at that!


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Gooner
08 December 2015 17:54:40

To my untrained eye is the cold not getting further south?

Originally Posted by: lezrob 



I'd say this is fairly cold for us Banbury folk


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Retron
08 December 2015 18:14:59

Great example of how useless ensemble means are in this situation on the 12z GEFS!

http://www.meteociel.fr/cartes_obs/gens_display.php?x=306&y=141&run=12&ville=Londres&runpara=0&type=3&ext=1


(Ensembles for London)



Also, for fun - here's the 120 thumbnails from this morning's ECM. Note how there are already 4 clusters even this early on, there's a lot yet to be decided upstream and until it's nailed down a bit we'll continue to see all sorts in the ensembles and operationals.


(Click for full-size)


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Brian Gaze
08 December 2015 18:20:06

GEFS12z postage stamps don't look cold and there's little support for high level blocking. The cold could come but very mild outcomes look a distinct possibility too.



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Maunder Minimum
08 December 2015 18:22:02


GEFS12z postage stamps don't look cold and there's little support for high level blocking. The cold could come but very mild outcomes look a distinct possibility too.


Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 


Don't be a party pooper on your own website Brian - you should be cold ramping to encourage the traffic and hits!


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doctormog
08 December 2015 18:23:53


GEFS12z postage stamps don't look cold and there's little support for high level blocking. The cold could come but very mild outcomes look a distinct possibility too.



Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 


I'm guessing the ensemble perturbations are at a lower resolution than the GFS op run? Either way it was nice to see two consecutive op runs showing such potential. The outlook is certainly not without interest and it will be fascinating to see if the ECMWF 12z run hints at anything similar.


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