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Quantum
29 December 2015 10:59:33

The GFS 0Z parallel is a snow fest for the midlands northwards.


TBH I don't think it is going to be the NE that is worst affected by all of this, I recon either the Atlantic will be too dominant and it will be the hills of Scotland or we will see these depressions trending SW over time and it ends up being Bristol and the midlands as usual.


 


2023/2024 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):
29/11 (-6), 30/11 (-6), 02/12 (-5), 03/12 (-5), 04/12 (-3), 16/01 (-3), 18/01 (-8), 08/02 (-5)

Total: 8 days with snow/sleet falling.

2022/2023 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

18/12 (-1), 06/03 (-6), 08/03 (-8), 09/03 (-6), 10/03 (-8), 11/03 (-5), 14/03 (-6)

Total: 7 days with snow/sleet falling.

2021/2022 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

26/11 (-5), 27/11 (-7), 28/11 (-6), 02/12 (-6), 06/01 (-5), 07/01 (-6), 06/02 (-5), 19/02 (-5), 24/02 (-7), 30/03 (-7), 31/03 (-8), 01/04 (-8)
Total: 12 days with snow/sleet falling.
Maunder Minimum
29 December 2015 11:02:09
However the weather pans out in the UK, the hemispheric charts are amazing, with the polar vortex completely split asunder and pushed aside - not something we normally see in January. It will lead to unusual weather conditions, but of what kind for the UK?
Only time will tell.
New world order coming.
Phil G
29 December 2015 11:05:20

Indeed Steve. That cold air is closer now. Still some tweaking to do before these events, so quite what we will get come the day.
That LP you have shown arrives on the 6th and hangs around for a couple of days crossing the country very slowly.
As well as all the extra rain, the waves and erosion could also be disruptive.

http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rtavn2229.gif


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rtavn2041.gif


Rob K
29 December 2015 11:15:17
We might actually get a run of frosts if this run comes off.

http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rtavn26417.gif 

http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rtavn28817.gif 

http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rtavn31217.gif 

http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rtavn33617.gif 
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Gooner
29 December 2015 11:20:41



A close eye will be kept on the next system , of concern is the heavy rain that approaches tomorrow


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Shropshire
29 December 2015 11:21:58

However the weather pans out in the UK, the hemispheric charts are amazing, with the polar vortex completely split asunder and pushed aside - not something we normally see in January. It will lead to unusual weather conditions, but of what kind for the UK?
Only time will tell.

Originally Posted by: Maunder Minimum 


I'm afraid the 06z shows what the METO have been talking about in their updates - perhaps becoming drier and settled in the South as the Azores High ridges in, with the fronts to the North and West.


 


 


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Shropshire
29 December 2015 11:23:01


 


Spot on David, thats my first aim, getsome colder weather here, even temps of 5-7 will feel quite cold and a shock IMO


Originally Posted by: Gooner 


 


Yes we will see the METO describing temps of 5-7 as bitterly cold, what a sad state of affairs. 


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Gooner
29 December 2015 11:25:49


 


I'm afraid the 06z shows what the METO have been talking about in their updates - perhaps becoming drier and settled in the South as the Azores High ridges in, with the fronts to the North and West.


 


 


Originally Posted by: Shropshire 


I can see why you are afraid , its 324 hours away and cold




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Shropshire
29 December 2015 11:34:50

Its a poor set-up for cold going forward though Marcus.


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SJV
29 December 2015 11:38:17


Its a poor set-up for cold going forward though Marcus.


Originally Posted by: Shropshire 


Poor that chart may be, but it's t+324hrs away and not worth fretting about.


The models are pretty uncertain past +120 at the moment.

Rob K
29 December 2015 11:41:18


 


ECM ens for SW Holland - control has flipped to mildest of all 50 solutions around the middle of 4th! Op and Control both in mildest 10 on 5th.  This on the run with the greatest amount of cold options. 



Originally Posted by: Whether Idle 


 


If the op had been one of the cold cluster then that set of ensembles would be sparking a lot of interest!


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The Beast from the East
29 December 2015 11:52:12


A height rise over Greenland could be the golden ticket we need


 


Originally Posted by: Gusty 


Yes, a far easier route to cold than a Scandi block which requires everything to fall into place. I don't remember the last time we had a sustained GH. Perhaps it was Dec 2010


 


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Charmhills
29 December 2015 11:58:40

So to sums things up, its cyclonic and very wet with snow a possibility for the NE later on.


The risk of further flooding is obvious.


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Brian Gaze
29 December 2015 11:59:01

GEFS6z look like a slight upgrade for the cold weather fan:



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Rob K
29 December 2015 11:59:29


 


Yes, a far easier route to cold than a Scandi block which requires everything to fall into place. I don't remember the last time we had a sustained GH. Perhaps it was Dec 2010


 


Originally Posted by: The Beast from the East 


 


Apart from July 2015 you mean? :)


 


Edit - actually late August into September had quite a significant GH too...


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The Beast from the East
29 December 2015 12:05:00


 


 


Apart from July 2015 you mean? :)


 


Edit - actually late August into September had quite a significant GH too...


Originally Posted by: Rob K 


I know, I should have said in Winter!


 


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picturesareme
29 December 2015 12:17:45


 


Yes, a far easier route to cold than a Scandi block which requires everything to fall into place. I don't remember the last time we had a sustained GH. Perhaps it was Dec 2010


 


Originally Posted by: The Beast from the East 


wasn't there one in the spring of 2013?? It was 2013 that saw all that snow in later February & march or was it 2012... 


Im in Newcastle now for 11 days and forgot to pack my hat & gloves, I'm wondering whether I'll need to buy some up there or not now. Down south it's been to mild for jumper & coat.

Rob K
29 December 2015 12:27:02


 


I read that Fergusson quote and found it clear, concise and conveying precisely what can be gleaned from the model output he sees, and no more.


Are you a native English speaker?


Originally Posted by: some faraway beach 


 


Can anyone paste the quote in here? It seems to not be showing up...


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some faraway beach
29 December 2015 12:43:02


 


 


Can anyone paste the quote in here? It seems to not be showing up...


Originally Posted by: Rob K 



Noteworthy is how over a good number of it's recent runs, GloSea5 has also leaned to the same outcome: i.e., +ve MSLP anomaly centred to SW of the UK, which - like EC Monthly - results in a successive week-by-week reduction in the recent/current/near-term conspicuous +ve PPN anomaly for much of the UK. Equally of note is how some recent deterministic runs of other models have begun showing the same net outcome in far reaches of their output.


EC Monthly has a cold anomaly over the UK by end of 1st week Jan (the first such signal yet this winter!) but then returns to +ve one as Jan continues, albeit rather masking a net NW'ly flow with anticyclonic regime dominating directly to SW/W. Of interest are striking height rises bisecting the pole by mid-late Jan, but these are subsequently lost or weakly reversed in model signal. 


However, there's a fair spread in stamps 17th Jan onwards (like GloSea) so whilst by that juncture we might reasonably steer towards climatology as fair guide for now, confidence is clearly lower thereafter (as you'd expect).  


What can we reasonably deduce?


- continued signal for something drier, at least for many parts of UK, as Jan progresses


- continued signal for +ve MSLP focused eventually to SW/W


- as per recent UKMO assessment, likelihood of any *sustained and/or pronounced* cold weather continues to look generally low over next 2-4 weeks, albeit superimposed over a colder phase early part of Jan, courtesy depression track running NW-SE across UK or just to S (as per some recent deterministic output)


2 miles west of Taunton, 32 m asl, where "milder air moving in from the west" becomes SNOWMAGEDDON.
Well, two or three times a decade it does, anyway.
JACKO4EVER
29 December 2015 12:44:19


The 6z is frankly disturbing with frequent bouts of heavy rain and gales or severe gales at times in a very cyclonic synoptic setup. The deep cold air is maintained just across the North Sea in Scandinavia and edges gradually closer with each departing storm. By 240 hours Scotland and the NE become really quite wintry.


EDIT...A height rise over Greenland could be the golden ticket we need to get the cold to properly advect southwestwards. At 240 hours there is evidence of this. 



Originally Posted by: Gusty 


yes I was thinking the same Gusty- this run paints a very disturbed spell and quite a wet one too. 


There could also be the odd surprise snowfall with colder air lingering just over the North Sea 

Gooner
29 December 2015 12:45:49


 


yes I was thinking the same Gusty- this run paints a very disturbed spell and quite a wet one too. 


There could also be the odd surprise snowfall with colder air lingering just over the North Sea 


Originally Posted by: JACKO4EVER 


Jacko


I'm finding your posts very fair and unbiased of late .........................well done


 


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Banbury
North Oxfordshire
378 feet A S L


nsrobins
29 December 2015 12:55:54

For entertainment only I recommend run #14 on the 06GEFS. Have a look before it changes.
A nationwide whiteout for a week LOL


The parallel isn't too shabby either.


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Gooner
29 December 2015 13:01:05


For entertainment only I recommend run #14 on the 06GEFS. Have a look before it changes.
A nationwide whiteout for a week LOL


The parallel isn't too shabby either.


Originally Posted by: nsrobins 


Excellent run


If only


 


Meanwhile O/T the Met update is a tad colder and offers hope


Remember anything after T120 is really Just For Fun



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Banbury
North Oxfordshire
378 feet A S L


Rob K
29 December 2015 13:10:13
Does anyone know what the "bias corrected charts" option is on Meteociel for GEFS?
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