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Arbroath 1320
07 January 2016 10:35:18

The GFS 6z is out to t198 and it looks like the Greenland High is being pushed further East under the influence of a much stronger low pressure system on the Eastern seaboards of the US:


http://www.meteociel.fr/modeles/gfse_cartes.php?&ech=198&mode=0


It could work to our advantage though, as it looks like the winds are going to be more NE than N from a bitter air source over Scandi.


GGTTH
Jiries
07 January 2016 10:36:08

Brr....daytime temperatures next Saturday!

http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rtavn22817.gif

Originally Posted by: tallyho_83 


That would be cold enough for snow on my birthday, haven't seen it since 1987 for sure.

ITSY
07 January 2016 10:36:41


a very tame northerly on this mornings 6z run. the cold air lazely makes it to the UK and has less of an impact on temperatures and precipitation.

We saw this earlier in the week when the GFS was still unsure of certain aspects... I expect one or two more runs will bring us back into a strong Northerly - but perhaps turning to more of a North easterly with perhaps pressure building through Scandi.

So far the trends have been for :
low precip
moderatley low temps - not excessively low
Cold to arrive a little later on Wed
Cold to arrive from the west - not north.

Im hoping this will be a mild outlier... but there has been a trend over the last few runs to moderate the depth of cold.


Originally Posted by: Russwirral 


Reasonably tame yes, but it's not about the northerly really, it's about what leads to in terms of a longer term pattern. Between 168-210 you have frontal and convective snow potential, so if this is your mild run I can only think how insane your cold run would be! 


What's also interesting is how, despite changes in the setup run to run, each one (or most of them) appear set on sustaining the cold deep into FI. I'm not saying it's nailed on, but when you start to see an 'all routes lead to cold' scenario, that says to me that somrthing is brewing. Easterly flavor on this one would suit me down to the ground! 


Having said that, the easterly would probably be quite dry given the pressure, but these are details not worth going into at this point 

RobN
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07 January 2016 10:37:38



Im hoping this will be a mild outlier... but there has been a trend over the last few runs to moderate the depth of cold.


Originally Posted by: Russwirral 


Isn't it always like this for cold spells? I expect the next thing to be moderated will be the duration.


Rob
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Gooner
07 January 2016 10:37:43


Cold air flooding in


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Rob K
07 January 2016 10:43:45

Not sure that the depth of cold is being moderated!


 



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eastcoaster
07 January 2016 10:44:58
A very prolonged cold spell according to this run. I like it a lot.
Russwirral
07 January 2016 10:46:18


Not sure that the depth of cold is being moderated!


 



 


 


Originally Posted by: Rob K 


 


into FI - yes - the cold finally arrives proper.


 


But the last few runs have had the cold seemingly reluctant to arrive to the UK.  we seem to get it in drips and drabs, rather than a big introduction.


 


This also ties in with Meto commentry in that - the models arent really handling when it will arrive proper.  So i suspect the models are just being shy to reflect that.


 


I suspect that - probably by the weekend we will have a view in the charts of a  defined front introducing the first wave of -4 to -5*c air.. followed by a more garunteed snow risk front a day or so later.  As is usually the case.


tallyho_83
07 January 2016 10:46:23
Defo a channel low?

http://max.nwstatic.co.uk/gfsimages/gfs.20160107/06/189/prectypeuktopo.png 

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ITSY
07 January 2016 10:46:34
I know we all love to look for specifics, I do at least, but let's take the basics:
Trend = great
Longevity = promising
Likelihood = combination of cold NW, N and NE'lies
probability = snow for some at some stage

Let's be content for the time being!
yorkshirelad89
07 January 2016 10:46:36

A bitterly cold 06z, great run

http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rtavn2341.gif


 


GFS sticking to its guns

The key time period to watch for this cold spell is t+108 - t+132. It all depends on whether the low to the South of the Azores is stationary. If it is any anticyclone trying to form over Southern Europe will link with the Greenland high.


The GFS 06Z shows this scenario playing out and once again its a cold run.


The above chart would provide very cold minima.


Hull
JoeShmoe99
07 January 2016 10:54:08
Have to say that Azores low on the Euro's is worrying, these small features usually get better picked up as we get closer so it will be very interesting to see what the models do with it on the 12z's
Joe Bloggs
07 January 2016 10:55:03

06z GFS is an epic run....


BUT


It doesn't actually get cold enough for snow until about T+126.. we really need that timeframe to reduce over the next few runs as a lot can go wrong at that range. That complex trough could really prove to be a pain in the backside. It's sticking to the UK like a limpet!



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Russwirral
07 January 2016 11:06:55
Rob K
07 January 2016 11:07:00
GFS brings in westerlies by the end, though not exactly mild and hints of a potential reload later I would imagine...
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Robertski
07 January 2016 11:10:35

GFS brings in westerlies by the end, though not exactly mild and hints of a potential reload later I would imagine...

Originally Posted by: Rob K 


 


Love this re-load NOT!! How many times have we heard re-load only for to become a complete breakdown No re-loads please, just a continuation of the cold theme please.

kmoorman
07 January 2016 11:14:20
The GFS Control also fannies around with the low over the UK, so proper cold is delayed

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Justin W
07 January 2016 11:15:40
Still far from convincing for areas to the south and east.
Yo yo yo. 148-3 to the 3 to the 6 to the 9, representing the ABQ, what up, biatch?
kmoorman
07 January 2016 11:17:17

Still far from convincing for areas to the south and east.

Originally Posted by: Justin W 


 


Horrible...   cold and wet.


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Rob K
07 January 2016 11:18:33

Just for fun at 276 hours... sorry folks in Lyme Regis, you have annoyed the weather gods! 


 



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tallyho_83
07 January 2016 11:22:17
Temperatures of freezing or below throughout the UK a week today:

http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rtavn16817.gif 

Low pressure to the south:

http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rtavn1681.gif 

Falling as snow?



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Charmhills
07 January 2016 11:24:04

Very complex situation from the models that's for sure.


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tallyho_83
07 January 2016 11:24:30
JFF:

http://max.nwstatic.co.uk/gfsimages/gfs.20160107/06/276/prectypeuktopo.png 
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tallyho_83
07 January 2016 11:25:35


Just for fun at 276 hours... sorry folks in Lyme Regis, you have annoyed the weather gods! 


 



 


Originally Posted by: Rob K 


 


http://max.nwstatic.co.uk/gfsimages/gfs.20160107/06/276/prectypeuktopo.png


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picturesareme
07 January 2016 11:28:51

Still far from convincing for areas to the south and east.

Originally Posted by: Justin W 


Completely agree with this... 😕


All of the cold is also over a week away... Far to far away to be taken remotely serious.

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