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Smiler
07 January 2016 20:21:54


 









Yes, it look's like 1080 to my eyes that's extremely high.

Originally Posted by: Sinky1970 


http://www.guinnessworldrecords.com/world-records/highest-barometric-pressure- 


 


The highest barometric pressure ever recorded was 1083.8mb (32 in) at Agata, Siberia, Russia (alt. 262m or 862ft) on 31 December 1968.


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David M Porter
07 January 2016 20:23:17


I've buckled. I'm back. What a change from the output that was being thrown out on Saturday 2nd January for the 12z's ! It looks like the hint of the Greenland block only really offered from the ECM at 240hrs that evening has nearly come to pass.


I need to look closer but a pattern change to drier and colder is most welcome for most. Risk of snow at times in the north and some frosty nights down south too. 850Hpa's do not look cold enough to support snow in the south but a cheeky trough in the NW'ly flow could give a little seasonal sleet I suppose and a channel runner could provide some northern edge wintriness if the flow is slack on the northern edge.


The Greeny block appears to persist post 168 hours but that is FI and purely speculative at this stage.


What a turnaround though! 


Originally Posted by: Gusty 


This is why before Christmas I was attempting to try to convince people not to give up hope of there being some kind of pattern change during January, regardless of how hopeless many of the pre-Xmas model runs seemed to be.


It's now 11 years since I began following the models regularly, since around the time of Andy Woodcock's now infamous "winter is over" post from early Feb 2005 (sorry for bringing that up again , Andy!). The main thing to bear in mind IMO is that sometimes anyway, it is unwise to second-guess the model output, rather like it is unwise to second-guess the what the weather itself will do over a sustained period of time.


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Whether Idle
07 January 2016 20:23:19


 


Thanks for clarifying.


Taking your point on, I never saw that cold spell that started appearing at Xmas as more than a very remote possibility; at best a couple of operational runs looked very good but that was it.  This time we have cross-model support and ensemble support, which is generally what we look for before getting too optimistic.  Aside from that, another critical point is that the briefly-predicted cold spell that appeared in the charts at Xmas was from an easterly, which is the most problematic of them all - as many have commented.


I don't think there's any doubt about the long wave pattern for next week now, i.e. a block from the Atlantic up into the Greenland area and low pressure over Scandinavia and the eastern Atlantic.  That gives us the thick end of a week of cold weather, I reckon.  Detail is another matter - the short wave pattern will keep changing from run to run.  No doubt there'll be a few Channel Lows and features popping up.  There may even be a developing low sitting out west of the UK and causing complications.


As always I'd like to see where the ECM run sits in the ensembles.


 


 


Originally Posted by: Gandalf The White 


Yes Gandalf, I agree 100% with that assessment.  Its too far out to tell, but the potential is there for an extended cold spell, and once the cold is in, during the heart of the winter, it can be hard to shift.  Interesting times,  Good to have one's head up in the clouds, as it were, but one's feet on the ground, and good to see Steve back in action. Edit - There's a good feeling in the MOD thread at the moment, some might say we haven't had that spirit here since 1969...


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Bertwhistle
07 January 2016 20:27:06


 


http://www.guinnessworldrecords.com/world-records/highest-barometric-pressure- 


 


The highest barometric pressure ever recorded was 1083.8mb (32 in) at Agata, Siberia, Russia (alt. 262m or 862ft) on 31 December 1968.


Originally Posted by: Smiler 


Thanks- yes, I've just found that too- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siberian_High but can't find a Greenland highest pressure anywhere. I've certainly seen it in the 1060s before.


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Arcus
07 January 2016 20:28:33


 


 


Maybe it'll crack 1100mb in Greenland by then 


Originally Posted by: Rob K 


Arnie's Greenland holiday goes pear-shaped



 


...or Mesut Ozil enjoys another day in Nuuk.


 


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Gusty
07 January 2016 20:32:58

Thanks team. Its good to be back. Only a couple of hours until the 18z !


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Bertwhistle
07 January 2016 20:33:07


 


Arnie's Greenland holiday goes pear-shaped



 


...or Mesut Ozil enjoys another day in Nuuk.


 


Originally Posted by: Arcus 


Now that chap has got retinal explosion and blood vessels in the eye  showing high internal pressure relative to environs. ergo he would be a feature of very low atmospheric pressure- a wild chaser of TORRO might dream of such a spasm.


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stophe
07 January 2016 20:38:08
Dutch ecm short Ensemble showing it was one of the warmer runs in a weeks time.

exweatherex
07 January 2016 20:38:33


 


Thanks- yes, I've just found that too- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siberian_High but can't find a Greenland highest pressure anywhere. I've certainly seen it in the 1060s before.


Originally Posted by: Bertwhistle 


 


szs
07 January 2016 20:42:58

Haven't posted on here for a few years but am always watching and reading each year, so from an outsiders point of view and a few things ive learned in watching you model watchers


 


1, Cold spells rarely come as quickly as modelled


2, Cold spells which verify are nearly always harder to displace than modelled


3, Anything After 3 days is only any good for a general trend out to 8 or 9 days after that forget it.


4, Anything after T120 is FI unless its a cold spell in which everything after is taken for gospel


5, Last but not least , Do not mention anything mild to cold lovers if a cold spell is in sight


 


Good luck with this one ive got my fingers crossed


 


 

Gandalf The White
07 January 2016 20:44:44


 


Yes Gandalf, I agree 100% with that assessment.  Its too far out to tell, but the potential is there for an extended cold spell, and once the cold is in, during the heart of the winter, it can be hard to shift.  Interesting times,  Good to have one's head up in the clouds, as it were, but one's feet on the ground, and good to see Steve back in action. Edit - There's a good feeling in the MOD thread at the moment, some might say we haven't had that spirit here since 1969...


Originally Posted by: Whether Idle 


Yes, potential - and the Met Office forecast makes the same point.  Back to basic meteorology - warm air rides up over cold air.


As for the final comment, the Eagles seem to have landed in MOD.... 


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cultman1
07 January 2016 20:45:29
What is happening next week? Mild SW winds dominating countrywide after a cold blip or does most of the U.K actually experience a proper sustained cold weather event nailed on? I find these various comments in both 'posters ' camps bewildering to say the least !!
Gooner
07 January 2016 20:45:52

Weather type GFS Th 14.01.2016 06 GMT


Rain moves up from the South turning to Snow as it hits the M4


 


Weather type GFS Th 14.01.2016 12 GMT


Moderate Snow for parts of England and Wales ( heavy in places )


Weather type GFS Th 14.01.2016 18 GMT


 


Snow moves away Eastwards


This purely Just For Fun ...........................I should add


Remember anything after T120 is really Just For Fun



Marcus
Banbury
North Oxfordshire
378 feet A S L


tallyho_83
07 January 2016 20:47:09


 


 



Originally Posted by: exweatherex 


Nice chart - but similar to this but the blocking it's as strong hence why it goes back to zonal and it's 1060mb: http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rtavn2161.gif



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Bertwhistle
07 January 2016 20:47:45


 


Weather type GFS Th 14.01.2016 18 GMT


 


Snow moves away Eastwards


Originally Posted by: Gooner 


And a little bit southwards....?


Bertie, Itchen Valley.
Retire while you can still press the 'retire now' button.
Gooner
07 January 2016 20:51:57


 


And a little bit southwards....?


Originally Posted by: Bertwhistle 


Of course .................apologies


Giving you boys some snow


Remember anything after T120 is really Just For Fun



Marcus
Banbury
North Oxfordshire
378 feet A S L


Rob K
07 January 2016 20:53:12


 


 



Originally Posted by: exweatherex 


 


The fax chart for that date didn't go quite as high... but (a) there's a box covering the area in question, and (b) it looks like they kind of gave up drawing the isobars!



The highest isobar drawn is 1056mb.


 


Then Dec 17 has a 1053mb high labelled: http://www.wetterzentrale.de/archive/2010/brack/bracka20101217.gif


And Dec 18 appears to have a 1056mb isobar again. http://www.wetterzentrale.de/archive/2010/brack/bracka20101218.gif


 


 


And on Dec 19, here's something you don't see very often: http://www.wetterzentrale.de/archive/2010/brack/bracka20101219.gif



 


The highest low on record? 


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Bow Echo
07 January 2016 20:54:45

Meanwhile.. on the other side of the Atlantic....


http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/


Steve D. FRMetS
Burton Latimer, Kettering, Northants


Snow Hoper
07 January 2016 20:55:01


 


Of course .................apologies


Giving you boys some snow


Originally Posted by: Gooner 


You need to find a better one as I'm under rain the entire time on those 


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NickR
07 January 2016 20:56:28


 


Cheers Gandalf..this place is like the Hotel California 


Originally Posted by: Gusty 


The MO thread is like a  rip off of Jethro Tull's "We used to Know"? 


Nick
Durham
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Chiltern Blizzard
07 January 2016 21:01:16


I've buckled. I'm back. What a change from the output that was being thrown out on Saturday 2nd January for the 12z's ! It looks like the hint of the Greenland block only really offered from the ECM at 240hrs that evening has nearly come to pass.


I need to look closer but a pattern change to drier and colder is most welcome for most. Risk of snow at times in the north and some frosty nights down south too. 850Hpa's do not look cold enough to support snow in the south but a cheeky trough in the NW'ly flow could give a little seasonal sleet I suppose and a channel runner could provide some northern edge wintriness if the flow is slack on the northern edge.


The Greeny block appears to persist post 168 hours but that is FI and purely speculative at this stage.


What a turnaround though! 


Originally Posted by: Gusty 


it should have been obvious on 2nd January that a cold spell was coming.... The 3 main ingredients were all there!


1) Kieran (Moomin) had left for Australia


2) Andy Woodcock had effectively pronounced that 'winter was over' (not that it ever actually began) being adamant that January and February were destined to follow December's lead


3) charts were so abysmal that a TWO stalwart had left the forum as he could take it no more


 


why didn't we all know what was coming?


Rendlesham, Suffolk 20m asl
exweatherex
07 January 2016 21:01:43


 


 


The fax chart for that date didn't go quite as high... but (a) there's a box covering the area in question, and (b) it looks like they kind of gave up drawing the isobars!



The highest isobar drawn is 1056mb.


 


Then Dec 17 has a 1053mb high labelled: http://www.wetterzentrale.de/archive/2010/brack/bracka20101217.gif


And Dec 18 appears to have a 1056mb isobar again. http://www.wetterzentrale.de/archive/2010/brack/bracka20101218.gif


 


 


And on Dec 19, here's something you don't see very often: http://www.wetterzentrale.de/archive/2010/brack/bracka20101219.gif



 


The highest low on record? 


Originally Posted by: Rob K 


 


I can still remember, however, GFS forecasts going to 1080+ hPa back then and you guys going crazy in here

Essan
07 January 2016 21:03:16


 The MO thread is like a  rip off of Jethro Tull's "We used to Know"? 


Originally Posted by: NickR 


 


Each to his own way I'll go mine.
Best of luck with what you find.
But for your own sake remember times
we used to know.


Andy
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NickR
07 January 2016 21:06:47


 


 


Each to his own way I'll go mine.
Best of luck with what you find.
But for your own sake remember times
we used to know.


Originally Posted by: Essan 


... and then that majestic guitar solo. Ah! Martin Barre at his best. 


:P


Nick
Durham
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SJV
07 January 2016 21:09:25


{ Gooner's Snowy Precip charts }


 


Snow moves away Eastwards


This purely Just For Fun ...........................I should add


Originally Posted by: Gooner 


I've missed your JFF snow charts 

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