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Gooner
28 January 2016 22:41:09


The 18z GFS is rolling out. A good signal for a brief cooler snap on Weds / Thurs with occasional wintry showers possible for a time away from the south of the UK. Milder atlantic influences appear to return again by Friday as the strong jet rolls over the top sinking high pressure southwards to its familiar place of safety and heralding another potentally mild and wet washout weekend.



Originally Posted by: Gusty 


Louise Lear going for lengthier cold spells so will be interesting to see what happens, she see keen on the jet sinking South


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Gusty
28 January 2016 22:55:18


 Louise Lear going for lengthier cold spells so will be interesting to see what happens, she see keen on the jet sinking South


Originally Posted by: Gooner 


With that weak signal for a slight southward extension of the Greenland High throwing the jet a little further south I suppose an extension to the cold spell is just about plausible for the north but still only a slim probability Marcus IMO.  


Even in such an event heights are largely maintained across Southern and Central Europe meaning that southern Britain may see temperatures fall back to the seasonal norm while northern areas get possibly more frequent transient snow events from colder zonality.


 


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Gooner
28 January 2016 22:58:16


 


With that weak signal for a slight southward extension of the Greenland High throwing the jet a little further south I suppose an extension to the cold spell is just about plausible for the north but still only a slim probability Marcus IMO.  


Even in such an event heights are largely maintained across Southern and Central Europe meaning that southern Britain may see temperatures fall back to the seasonal norm while northern areas get possibly more frequent transient snow events from colder zonality.


 


Originally Posted by: Gusty 


You must remember Steve we do not see all the data , L L will be basing her forecast on more than just GFS .................I think


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Russwirral
28 January 2016 23:01:51
Gusty
28 January 2016 23:02:50


 You must remember Steve we do not see all the data , L L will be basing her forecast on more than just GFS .................I think


Originally Posted by: Gooner 


We don't mate but we get a bloody good idea between 120-180 hours of what to expect. If the jet does undercut next week given the set up we have on Weds / Thurs..then hats off to them but even their UKMO is showing that high sinking at 144. 


 


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bluejosh
28 January 2016 23:04:41


 


You must remember Steve we do not see all the data , L L will be basing her forecast on more than just GFS .................I think


Originally Posted by: Gooner 


 


Do you know what, LL lives about 100m from me. I might go and ask her exactly what she is basing her forecast, just so we can get it settled, once and for all.


 


 


 


 


 


 


 


 


 


If she didn't think I was a complete wierdo for doing so, that is.

David M Porter
28 January 2016 23:10:23


 


We don't mate but we get a bloody good idea between 120-180 hours of what to expect. If the jet does undercut next week given the set up we have on Weds / Thurs..then hats off to them but even their UKMO is showing that high sinking at 144. 


 


Originally Posted by: Gusty 


There are some people who seem to think that the accuracy of the UKMO 144hr charts is open to debate. The UMKO runs didn't do too badly during the recent colder spell from what I recall.


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Gooner
28 January 2016 23:13:05


 


 


Do you know what, LL lives about 100m from me. I might go and ask her exactly what she is basing her forecast, just so we can get it settled, once and for all.


 


 


 


 


 


 


 


 


 


If she didn't think I was a complete wierdo for doing so, that is.


Originally Posted by: bluejosh 


 


Chop chop then


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Marcus
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Gooner
28 January 2016 23:36:30

From IF


Essentially as per GloSea5: ie +ve MSLP anomalies building central N Atlantic (and perhaps Greenland) with -ve anomaly N/NE of UK into mid-month; temp anomalies thus trending neutral or -ve (more pronounced -ve signal in northern UK, inevitably in that regime); mean flow NW-N'ly. By tail-end of Feb the height/MSLP anomaly shifts E to lie generally more S of UK with resumption of broadly W'ly regime and upturn in temp anomaly. The mean fields of course mask typical spread evident in inspection of stamps and minority solutions (a few of which would be notably colder), but clear form horse at present remains notion of MSLP rises to W (& perhaps NW) and a phase of colder NW-N'lies around mid-month, as recently billed in UKMO outlooks.


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The Beast from the East
29 January 2016 00:30:39


 


Louise Lear going for lengthier cold spells


Originally Posted by: Gooner 


I think we'd all be happy to see lengthier spells of Louise Lear


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Retron
29 January 2016 04:21:17


How do I get access to the model for the last week of February- that's about the last hope-cast time for us!


Originally Posted by: Bertwhistle 


1) Go to AccuWeather Pro


2) Enter your credit card details


3) Click on ECMWF > Monthly control


4) Choose Europe, then pick a parameter of your choice


5) Click through the charts


6) Cancel your membership, then enjoy access to the ECM-32 control run for another 4 weeks!


Simple, really.


(And FWIW, the ECM-32 control from yesterday shows a generally chilly outlook, as opposed to a cold one - NW'lies interspersed with the odd SW'ly, then an easterly on the 19th which turns into a high over the UK for a few days, followed by more NW'lies towatds the month end).


Leysdown, north Kent
Shropshire
29 January 2016 07:13:46

Not a lot of change this morning other than more runs showing a stormy period from day 8 onwards. The +ve NAO remains and no sign of blocking in favourable places.


 


 


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doctormog
29 January 2016 07:17:21
Yes not much change this morning - still looking stormy and at times wintry in the north and in particular northwest (west Scotland especially)
JACKO4EVER
29 January 2016 07:20:59

Morning all. A quite stormy period on offer then, lots of wind and rain with some bouts of wintry weather for Scotland at times. The crapfest continues

Gooner
29 January 2016 08:20:23

http://www.theweatheroutlook.com/charts/gefs/gefsens850london0.png?cb


 


Definitely going into a cooler /colder period


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Marcus
Banbury
North Oxfordshire
378 feet A S L


Gooner
29 January 2016 08:21:27


 


I think we'd all be happy to see lengthier spells of Louise Lear


Originally Posted by: The Beast from the East 


Oh indeed


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Sevendust
29 January 2016 08:26:01


Morning all. A quite stormy period on offer then, lots of wind and rain with some bouts of wintry weather for Scotland at times. The crapfest continues


Originally Posted by: JACKO4EVER 


Sums it up. Uppers are colder with time so a chance of wintryness at times in many places but as we know, this kind of set up screams "dry" in most sheltered places during the pm periods

Solar Cycles
29 January 2016 08:46:30
As above the short to mid term looks stormy, thereafter possible signs of a more prolonged bout of PM air. Still nothing inspiring really just that the rain will be colder than of late.
GIBBY
29 January 2016 09:11:17
HERE IS MY LATEST ANALYSIS USING DATA SUPPLIED BY THE NWP OUTPUT COVERING 5 OF THE WORLDS MOST POWERFUL WEATHER COMPUTERS ISSUED AT 09:00 ON FRIDAY JAN 29TH 2016

 


THE CURRENT GENERAL SITUATION  Storm Gertrude is passing NE close to NW Scotland and pushing troughs East and South across the British Isles. Severe gale or storm force winds over the North will subside later today as the fronts become slow moving for a time across Southern England tonight reinvigorating for a time before clearing all areas tomorrow and leaving a cold WNW flow for all areas.


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rtavn001.gif


CURRENT SNOW FORECAST AND FREEZING LEVEL OVER THE UK The freezing level across the British Isles is around 3000-4000ft across Scotland and 7000ft over Southern Britain. The level will fall everywhere over the next 24 hours to range from under 2000ft in the North and 3000ft in the South. Snow showers will be frequent over the hills of the North tonight and tomorrow will appreciable falls and potential blizzards over the Cairngorns for a time tonight


http://www.snow-forecast.com/maps/dynamic/uk 


http://www.natice.noaa.gov/pub/ims/ims_gif/DATA/cursnow.gif 


MODELS-2 WEEK HEADLINE  Mostly unsettled and windy with rain or showers. Fluctuating temperatures with some snow at times over higher ground especially in the North.


THE GFS JET STREAM FORECAST  The Jet Stream remains very strong across the Atlantic over the complete two week period. It's positioning lies across the UK for the next 3-4 days before a change of orientation later takes it on a more SE course towards the South of the UK leaving the UK in or on the western flank of a deep trough in the flow later.


http://www.netweather.tv/index.cgi?action=jetstream 


GFS OPERATIONAL The GFS Operational Run today shows continued disturbed and often very windy weather with severe gales at times, bands of heavy rain and wintry showers all driven in with association of repetitive deep Low pressure moving in off the Atlantic close to or over the North of the UK with just brief ridges of High pressure giving short drier and brighter interludes with a frost now and again. Some snowfall is likely at times across the North and maybe on the hills of the South too at times.


GFS CONTROL RUN The theme of the Control Run broadly follows that of the Operational with wet and wild the theme of much of the weather expected over the next couple of weeks. Slight changes are indicated very late in the run as High pressure builds towards Scandinavia finally blocking the passage of Low pressure to the East and splitting the flow North and South leaving the UK in quieter and benign conditions by day 15.


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rtavn1441.gif 


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rtavn3841.gif


http://www.meteociel.fr/modeles/gefs_cartes.php?code=0&ech=144&mode=0&carte=0


http://www.meteociel.fr/modeles/gefs_cartes.php?code=0&ech=384&mode=0&carte=0 


GFS ENSEMBLE DAY 14 DATA  The GFS Clusters show a lot of range this morning at day 14. The common theme is the loss of High pressure to the South and placing it well out in the Atlantic West of the Azores. Winds are shown between West and NW from most members with gales and spells of rain and wintry showers likely with wintry showers and rather cold conditions for many. Some extremes suggest severe gales with a sizeable cluster showing Low pressure  to the SE and a North or NE flow across the UK with High pressure out in the mid Atlantic.


http://www.weatheronline.co.uk/cgi-bin/expertcharts?LANG=en&MENU=0000000000&CONT=euro&MODELL=gefs&MODELLTYP=2&BASE=-&VAR=cpre&HH=372&ZOOM=0&ARCHIV=0&RES=0&WMO=&PERIOD= 


UKMO The UKMO model this morning shows unsettled conditions continuing through next week with another stormy day on Monday in strong to severe gale WNW winds and rain then wintry showers, a theme looking like being repeated further later in the week with just the briefest of drier interludes too especially in the South. Temperatures will be fairly academic in the wind but should range from near average to rather cold at times.


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rukm1441.gif 


THE FAX CHARTS The Fax Charts today show series of troughs crossing the UK from the West through the period with alternating wet and windy spells with sunshine and showers, wintry on hills. Last night's release shown High pressure close to the SW indicated on last night's 96hr chart, this has been modified on today's 84hr chart reducing the risk of a drier spell midweek.


http://www.weathercharts.org/ukmomslp.htm#t120 


GEM GEM this morning offers no relief either from the wild weather of late with further spells of rain and gales and wintry showers in between. Later in the run it winds up deep Low pressure in the vicinity of the UK which is shown in no hurry to leave our shores all the time maintaining wet and windy weather with showers as well, wintry on hill as the weather turns rather cold at times.


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rgem2401.gif 


NAVGEM NAVGEM today shows the wet and windy spell continuing with severe gales at times early in the period. Later next week Low pressure is expected to realign nearer to the UK, indeed over us for the most parts with further rain or perhaps snow in places as colder air seeps South within the flow of this and other depressions late in the period.


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rnvg1681.gif 


ECM ECM today shows very unsettled weather across all parts of the UK over the next 10 days, deepening further later in the period as very deep Low pressure anchors across the UK with lots of rain and thundery and wintry showers commonplace a week or so from now. Severe gale or even storm force winds early in the period may give way somewhat later as the Low centre's become more UK placed but colder air later could well increase the risk of some snowfall almost anywhere in showery form.


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Recm2401.gif 


ECM 10 DAY MEAN The 10 day mean chart today indicates good support for many members showing a similar pattern to that of the operational at the 10 day time point with very unsettled and windy weather looking the most likely set-up with Low pressure close by or over the UK and the winds still predominating from a Westerly point but based from a more Northerly source than lately especially for the South of the UK so possibly rather colder for all.


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Reem2401.gif 


NOTABLE TRENDS & CHANGES FROM PREVIOUS RUNS The models are in unison today in maintaining very volatile and Low pressure based conditions remaining for the UK for the foreseeable future.


31 DAY HISTORICAL VERIFICATION STATS FOR GFS, UKMO & ECM The verification Statistics of GFS, UKMO and ECM show at 24 hours ECM ahead at 99.6 pts with GFS and UKMO at 99.5 pts each.  At 3 days ECM is leading with 97.7 pts to UKMO's 97.1 pts while GFS lags behind at 96.6 pts. At 5 days ECM leads with 90.9 pts to UKMO at 89.3 pts and GFS at 88.7 pts. Then at 8 Days ECM has the leading spot from GFS with 68.2 pts to 67.2 pts. Finally at Day 10 ECM is ahead of GFS at 50.4 pts to 49.5 pts respectively. 


http://www.emc.ncep.noaa.gov/gmb/STATS_vsdb/allmodel/daily/cor/cor_day1_PMSL_MSL_G2NHX.png


http://www.emc.ncep.noaa.gov/gmb/STATS_vsdb/allmodel/daily/cor/cor_day3_PMSL_MSL_G2NHX.png


http://www.emc.ncep.noaa.gov/gmb/STATS_vsdb/allmodel/daily/cor/cor_day5_PMSL_MSL_G2NHX.png


http://www.emc.ncep.noaa.gov/gmb/STATS_vsdb/allmodel/daily/cor/cor_day8_PMSL_MSL_G2NHX.png


http://www.emc.ncep.noaa.gov/gmb/STATS_vsdb/allmodel/daily/cor/cor_day10_PMSL_MSL_G2NHX.png


MY THOUGHTS  The model output this morning does look quite troubling for those folks that don't like severe weather events because it looks likely that all parts of the UK could experience severe weather of one sort or another over the coming two weeks. Right now some very severe winds are buffeting the North of Scotland with lesser effects further South too as storm Gertrude passes by to the North. Then after a brief rest tomorrow and rain on Sunday a repeat performance of severe gales looks likely on Monday. The culprit of all this wild weather is of course the Jet stream which is currently remarkably strong 40000ft above our heads and until that eases changes will be small. Later next week changes do look likely but it is debateable whether it will mean better weather for us in the UK. It does look like the flow will dip South of the UK as well as turning on a more NW to SE course. This will allow pressure to fall across the UK to very low levels and it is likely that from late next week on Low pressure will lie across the UK with further spells of rain and showers. With this new positioning of Low pressure and a Jet stream by then to the South there is a strong chance that things will turn generally colder and some of the precipitation could fall as snow especially on hills and not just in the North. So there really is an awful lot going on above our heads over the next few weeks and the weather we receive as a result is far from unexciting for weather enthusiasts. So it's a case of batten down the hatches for some weather disruption over the next few weeks be it from rain, gales or snow, thunder, lightning and hail it's all possible and it's best not to get hung up on day to day details at the moment and while I might not be offering snow armageddon this morning I wouldn't be surprised that given a week or so a surprise fall of snow could occur almost anywhere. I'm taking a day off tomorrow so I will be back on Sunday with another look at where the weather takes us in the following two weeks.      


Next Update Sunday January 31st 2016 from 09:00


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TimS
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29 January 2016 09:20:16
Indeed, to me it just looks utterly miserable. Give me a Bartlett high any day.

As the airmass is going to be from a source over the Atlantic cold blob I imagine we'll get a bigger contrast between Tm and Pm across the fronts than we would usually.
Brockley, South East London 30m asl
LeedsLad123
29 January 2016 09:39:48

Indeed, to me it just looks utterly miserable. Give me a Bartlett high any day.

As the airmass is going to be from a source over the Atlantic cold blob I imagine we'll get a bigger contrast between Tm and Pm across the fronts than we would usually.

Originally Posted by: TimS 


Only if the high moves over the UK.. otherwise the weather would be the same as now, just a bit milder.


It doesn't look too wet to me though.. not here anyway. Mostly showery buy some sunshine too.. 


Whitkirk, Leeds - 85m ASL.
Charmhills
29 January 2016 11:15:05

GFS deep fi has a cold and blocked feel to it.


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Duane.
Shropshire
29 January 2016 11:29:56

Indeed, to me it just looks utterly miserable. Give me a Bartlett high any day.

As the airmass is going to be from a source over the Atlantic cold blob I imagine we'll get a bigger contrast between Tm and Pm across the fronts than we would usually.

Originally Posted by: TimS 


 


Yes, 7C and rain rather than 14c and rain is the outlook for many, I would rather have a Feb 98 type set-up to be honest.


Later on, Euro heights don't look like returning but the NAO remains steadfastly +ve, so typical with this winter's teleconnections in recent years.


 


 


 


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Chiltern Blizzard
29 January 2016 11:32:03


GFS deep fi has a cold and blocked feel to it.


Originally Posted by: Charmhills 


It does.... the first signs of the impact of the early Feb strat warming event (which has been modelled consistently for a week or so) perhaps


The t+384 is interesting in the depth and extent of cold pushed across the Atlantic... Large pool of sub-10 850 air not too far west of Ireland, that and the sub-10 850 air approaching from the east.  FI, of course, but interesting nonetheless.


Rendlesham, Suffolk 20m asl
Brian Gaze
29 January 2016 11:51:54

Midday GEFS. As I said yesterday I'd go for the Buchan period if I was forced to take a punt on the snow risk spreading southwards.



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