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Rob K
17 February 2016 18:38:32


http://www.meteociel.fr/modeles/gfse_cartes.php?&ech=264&mode=0


 


Another GFS mirage -but the sort of cahrt we have been waiting for.


Originally Posted by: roger63 


Be just my luck if my skiing is curtailed by too much snow 


 



 


I'm heading for just about the heaviest blob there, just below the western tip of Switzerland.


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LA2B MeridFlowEuro09
17 February 2016 18:39:34

Nice set up, it looks like our last chance for us to drag cold arctic airflows across the UK, thewatchersadorraeli.com<>.


Ladies and Gentlemen maybe if the West USA has heavy a foot of mountain snow this Thursday then down stream to North Atlantic it could pose very well for NW and N Europe: 


🌨❄️💫☔️😆. I am finding this setup very interesting as that High in East USA, and warm southerly for their central USA.


http://thewatchers.adorraeli.com/2016/02/17/record-rainfall-lashes-pacific-northwest-us-more-precipitation-on-the-way/.


 


California and NW USA heavy rains and then heavy snow up to a foot for the Cascadian and Nevada and Rockies this Thursday will hopefully mean good things for our part of this world.


😀😄.


Climate is warming up, Scotland and N Ireland and North England still often gets some Winter frost, ice and snow, November to March, but the SE and South UK including S Central England and Wales, together with the West and North through the year, they sometimes get more rain than London and S SE England, where some longer dry fine spells without much heavy rain is seen every year.

The North Atlantic Sea often gets some much Colder Wintry conditions from November to March Months, and Mild SW and South winds tend to be more frequent over the East and SE of North Atlantic Sea, as the Azores High tends to stay in charge. 

With this warmth and heat, the Central and South UK has become mostly free of snow and frost.
roger63
17 February 2016 19:01:37

Worth looking at GEFS for March 1st -a strong set of Northern and North eastern HP build.


 

JACKO4EVER
17 February 2016 19:07:11


 


Be just my luck if my skiing is curtailed by too much snow 


 



 


I'm heading for just about the heaviest blob there, just below the western tip of Switzerland.


Originally Posted by: Rob K 

 


been there before Rob- lost 5 days out of 7 skiing in Bulgaria some years ago due to heavy snow- and boy did it snow! 


In the meantime more snow promised Sunday - Monday on some charts- pah!😳

Ally Pally Snowman
17 February 2016 19:15:46

Cold ecm tonight ending with this beauty! Interesting times at the moment


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Recm2401.html


 


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Zubzero
17 February 2016 19:19:39


Cold ecm tonight ending with this beauty! Interesting times at the moment


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Recm2401.html


 


Originally Posted by: Ally Pally Snowman 


Looks good on paper but away from the north would be a struggle to get any snow 


http://www.meteociel.fr/modeles/ecmwf/runs/2016021712/ECM0-240.GIF?17-0 

Ally Pally Snowman
17 February 2016 19:22:41


 


Looks good on paper but away from the north would be a struggle to get any snow 


http://www.meteociel.fr/modeles/ecmwf/runs/2016021712/ECM0-240.GIF?17-0 


Originally Posted by: Zubzero 


 


-6 850s in an easterly should be fine I should think. 


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Saint Snow
17 February 2016 19:30:03



Snow sweeping South on Sunday then ...............hmmmmmm


Originally Posted by: Gooner 


 


GFS has been showing that scenario for the past several runs, with the southwards reach of the snowline fluctuating between the south coast & Midlands.


Pity no other model seems to be picking this up.



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The Beast from the East
17 February 2016 19:30:05

Looks like winter could be around the corner


Any continental easterly will be cold and raw even if the uppers are not that impressive.


In March 2013, there was very little ppn to work with and any snow we did get was transient . the big event from the channel low went to the channel islands and northern france. We were unlucky that time, the other factors were all in place, just no moisture


 


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Notty
17 February 2016 19:30:48


Cold ecm tonight ending with this beauty! Interesting times at the moment


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Recm2401.html


 


Originally Posted by: Ally Pally Snowman 


similar to the Gfs - http://www.meteociel.fr/modeles/gfse_cartes.php?&ech=264&mode=0


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The Beast from the East
17 February 2016 19:33:15


 


 


Pity no other model seems to be picking this up.


Originally Posted by: Saint Snow 


The stunning Louise Lear is mentioning it in her latest N24 updates


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Karl Guille
17 February 2016 19:34:14


Looks like winter could be around the corner


Any continental easterly will be cold and raw even if the uppers are not that impressive.


In March 2013, there was very little ppn to work with and any snow we did get was transient . the big event from the channel low went to the channel islands and northern france. We were unlucky that time, the other factors were all in place, just no moisture


 


Originally Posted by: The Beast from the East 


Ah, memories! Certainly looks like a better chance of something cold as we head towards March though.


 


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Solar Cycles
17 February 2016 19:35:27


 


 


GFS has been showing that scenario for the past several runs, with the southwards reach of the snowline fluctuating between the south coast & Midlands.


Pity no other model seems to be picking this up.


Originally Posted by: Saint Snow 

The GFS has been way too progressive all winter with these fantasy snow charts, still at least it reels us in time and time again until the next rinse and repeat charts.

Brian Gaze
17 February 2016 19:41:06


The GFS has been way too progressive all winter with these fantasy snow charts, still at least it reels us in time and time again until the next rinse and repeat charts.


Originally Posted by: Solar Cycles 


I'm confident the GFS snow risk for Sunday is currently overcooked. My guess (and I'll write on Buzz tomorrow) is the north west will see plenty of wintry showers but the south and east will be mostly dry.


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GIBBY
17 February 2016 19:52:09


Cold ecm tonight ending with this beauty! Interesting times at the moment


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Recm2401.html


 


Originally Posted by: Ally Pally Snowman 


Yea looks good. My one concern though on that chart is the strong Azores High. It means the Jet will be crossing the Atlantic to its North and putting the all important Scandinavian block under pressure almost straight away. The Jet Stream looks quite weak though given those synoptics so we could be OK.


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tallyho_83
17 February 2016 20:44:21


 


 


GFS has been showing that scenario for the past several runs, with the southwards reach of the snowline fluctuating between the south coast & Midlands.


Pity no other model seems to be picking this up.


Originally Posted by: Saint Snow 


Must be over-cooking it or the BBC are just being very uncertain or conservative - we are forecasted a high of +13c on Sunday but L. Lear said that there could be some significant snow over southern and central Scotland and never mentioned anything for N. Ireland or England!??. But look at these chart below:


 




 


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roger63
17 February 2016 20:50:15


 


similar to the Gfs - http://www.meteociel.fr/modeles/gfse_cartes.php?&ech=264&mode=0


Originally Posted by: Notty 


So some cross model agreement on an easterly type before the end of winter.Wonder how long it will take to fall apart?

tallyho_83
17 February 2016 22:11:06


hmmm.... Could be interesting because the south is forecasted 14c this Sunday. Unless it falls by some 10c during the day this is what could end up happening Sunday night/Monday



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Gooner
17 February 2016 22:47:44

Weather type GFS Su 21.02.2016 18 GMT


Snow on the back edge as the front moves South on Sunday


Remember anything after T120 is really Just For Fun



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White Meadows
17 February 2016 23:04:31
NAO looks to stay positive til early March & beyond so I'd say ECM is barking mad this evening, out on its own

http://www.cpc.ncep.noaa.gov/products/precip/CWlink/pna/new.nao_index_ensm.html 
John p
17 February 2016 23:14:28


Have another look at the ECM.   It has high pressure over the Azores and generally low pressure near Iceland = positive NAO. 


Therefore the ECM isn't necessarily wrong. 


 


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Gooner
17 February 2016 23:33:08

It's currently a 50-50 split in marked GPH direction by turn of month in EC EPS Cluster anomalies. There's been recent suspicion that until now, extended range ENS might be behind the curve (re potential for more blocked outcome by that period into March). Perhaps now we can see incipient signals emerging for this becoming a bit more likely. 


From IF


 


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17 February 2016 23:57:55

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Well now that is a very fast and large drop in dew points that GFS has for Sunday night.


This reflects the sharpness and intensity of the front and hence the heavy snow potential even in the far south. Basically it's like the 'thundersnow' event of 2004 but as yet not looking quite so intense and without the impressive accumulations (for such a short period) that were seen back then. 


Weirdly enough, the next day has a strong northerly flow with uppers near -5*C, yet the south is predicted to hit the high single digits. The Arctic really is being robbed of its depth of cold by the U.S. (again...!).


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18 February 2016 00:08:42


 


Well now that is a very fast and large drop in dew points that GFS has for Sunday night.


This reflects the sharpness and intensity of the front and hence the heavy snow potential even in the far south. Basically it's like the 'thundersnow' event of 2004 but as yet not looking quite so intense and without the impressive accumulations (for such a short period) that were seen back then. 


Weirdly enough, the next day has a strong northerly flow with uppers near -5*C, yet the south is predicted to hit the high single digits. The Arctic really is being robbed of its depth of cold by the U.S. (again...!).


Originally Posted by: Stormchaser 


Steady on James - this excuse for a winter is nowhere near worthy enough of being cited along with that amazing event. A 10deg drop in temp across a few miles and the most incredible snowfall rates I have ever seen with vivid blue lightning to boot.


I can't believe this year's effort could ever go anywhere near producing an event like that. The synoptics will get slowly modified nearer the time until all we have left to warrant the slightest twitch if a curtain is a minute of back edge sleet 🤗


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LA2B MeridFlowEuro09
18 February 2016 00:27:41


 Well now that is a very fast and large drop in dew points that GFS has for Sunday night.


This reflects the sharpness and intensity of the front and hence the heavy snow potential even in the far south. Basically it's like the 'thundersnow' event of 2004 but as yet not looking quite so intense and without the impressive accumulations (for such a short period) that were seen back then. 


Weirdly enough, the next day has a strong northerly flow with uppers near -5*C, yet the south is predicted to hit the high single digits. The Arctic really is being robbed of its depth of cold by the U.S. (again...!).


Originally Posted by: Stormchaser 


 


Yeah,  I think today's difference between 12z GFS and 12z UKMO tells half of what they are going to show in the next 72hrs, we have not had this Thundersnow in London since way back in the 24 Jan 2004 (correction) ahem..London Snow event rain fell for 1& half hour then heavy snow for 1 and half hour after, with CC and CG lightning and Thunderstorms- that was a rare event indeed in late January.


NE USA was very cold indeed, but they are less cold last 48 hrs and the fact is South USA is warming up, and I note West and NW USA is getting more West SW flow and much needed rain and this flow has lifted the intense mid Feb Cold dry spell, rain with some parts had sleet/ snow and freezing rain, early on this week- and I can see East Coast mid Atlantic USA is seeing warmer Southerlies still a bit cold in New York, less Cold in Washington, and last 3 days NE USA Newfoundland NE New Hampshire New England NE side got rain not snow, it was snow in North Central USA Monday Sunday to Tuesday- this came in from Western NW USA NE Pacific LA Seattle Vancouver side.


There has been High Pressure in East USA today, as I see it there a band of mild rain light rain cloud in NW Atlantic to just off ESE USA, and SE of that is that Mid North Atlantic High that has been sitting out there in South SE USA and West to SW in West Mid North Atlantic particularly since this past Monday to current day, quite a big one- but this High will have Low Pressure going across it and will turn us colder particularly by Monday next week, I see a secondary polar front /trof heading SE from West Mid NW UK straight across Wales and then Midlands then SE UK this coming Monday 22Feb.


Theoretically and more likely the minimum temp in London next Sunday night should be of 1 deg. C, and I'd be confident that after Sunday's max of 14 C, Monday 22 Feb max for London should be 6 deg. C, with a -2 deg c low to I hope to see for Monday night/ Tuesday morning.


The Sub 528 airmass covers whole of UK by Monday both on GFS and on UKMO and with -5 to 6 t850 or even -7 further NE and North UK it looks like a day with increased potential of rain-sleet and hail-snow flurry showers this is a very good similarity to March and April 2006 cold NW plunges!!.


 


 Just got the pics out so it focus on the text instead that should be fine in this case, rest assured.


 


Climate is warming up, Scotland and N Ireland and North England still often gets some Winter frost, ice and snow, November to March, but the SE and South UK including S Central England and Wales, together with the West and North through the year, they sometimes get more rain than London and S SE England, where some longer dry fine spells without much heavy rain is seen every year.

The North Atlantic Sea often gets some much Colder Wintry conditions from November to March Months, and Mild SW and South winds tend to be more frequent over the East and SE of North Atlantic Sea, as the Azores High tends to stay in charge. 

With this warmth and heat, the Central and South UK has become mostly free of snow and frost.

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