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Bertwhistle
Saturday, March 5, 2016 5:36:16 PM

http://www.theweatheroutlook.com/twodata/chart.aspx?chart=/charts/gfs/12_324_mslp850.png?cb=238


This chart shows an aggressive northward push of warm uppers in W Asia- just look at the thermal contrast at 850mb N of the Ural Sea.


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Ally Pally Snowman
Saturday, March 5, 2016 6:54:42 PM

Scorchio!!! Insanely warm from the ECM.


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Recm2162.html


 


Bishop's Stortford 85m ASL.
Bertwhistle
Saturday, March 5, 2016 6:56:03 PM


Scorchio!!! Insanely warm from the ECM.


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Recm2162.html


 


Originally Posted by: Ally Pally Snowman 


Now that would open up an earlier analogy of March 2012. Actually I remember a healthy 1999 March event that gets little coverage. On I think 19th, my therm. hit 21.7 (with 19C still at 5.30pm). Cracking day.


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Ally Pally Snowman
Saturday, March 5, 2016 7:07:27 PM


 


Now that would open up an earlier analogy of March 2012. Actually I remember a healthy 1999 March event that gets little coverage. On I think 19th, my therm. hit 21.7 (with 19C still at 5.30pm). Cracking day.


Originally Posted by: Bertwhistle 


 


You would have to think we'd be close to record breaking temperatures with a chart like that. 


Bishop's Stortford 85m ASL.
Bertwhistle
Saturday, March 5, 2016 7:14:16 PM


 


 


You would have to think we'd be close to record breaking temperatures with a chart like that. 


Originally Posted by: Ally Pally Snowman 


And so early in the month. A light wind, plenty of sunshine, who knows? What were the uppers like on 2nd March 1977? I remember eating a Texan bar with Jill ****** and thinking how hot it was.


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Ally Pally Snowman
Saturday, March 5, 2016 7:29:38 PM


 


And so early in the month. A light wind, plenty of sunshine, who knows? What were the uppers like on 2nd March 1977? I remember eating a Texan bar with Jill ****** and thinking how hot it was.


Originally Posted by: Bertwhistle 


 


Just looked up 2nd March 77 and 850s were about 10c in the SW. So the latest ecm run is warmer.


Bishop's Stortford 85m ASL.
LA2B MeridFlowEuro09
Saturday, March 5, 2016 8:20:24 PM

On Tuesday and Wednesday 8th-9th March and again on Thursday the 10th March, various parts of the U.K. Should remain chilly and average temps day and night ahem... Lol.😅😀.


And they all feature spells of moderate to heavy rain Scotland and N Ireland could be on the cold site as each low brings in 528 dam air in those parts of the U.K.


Southern UK it looks wet and windy Tuesday night and Wednesday early hours with brief mild sector then it turns chilly to cold at mid to latter point of event and winds very strong (ECMWF, GFS show it and it appears- somewhat in UKMO as well.


Thursday Wet windy in Central NW and North UK with some chilly weather, heavy rain then blustery showers, Southhern and Central UK still cool and cloudy with westerly flow and near normal temps for March 2nd week.


 


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Climate is warming up, Scotland and N Ireland and North England still often gets some Winter frost, ice and snow, November to March, but the SE and South UK including S Central England and Wales, together with the West and North through the year, they sometimes get more rain than London and S SE England, where some longer dry fine spells without much heavy rain is seen every year.

The North Atlantic Sea often gets some much Colder Wintry conditions from November to March Months, and Mild SW and South winds tend to be more frequent over the East and SE of North Atlantic Sea, as the Azores High tends to stay in charge. 

With this warmth and heat, the Central and South UK has become mostly free of snow and frost.
tallyho_83
Saturday, March 5, 2016 11:55:25 PM

Is it me or is the GFS precipitation chart very inaccurate? - I know it's hard to forecast but this shows rain/sleet and snow from 3pm until 6pm tomorrow from the Midlands southwards:


Is it likely?



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Gusty
Sunday, March 6, 2016 8:22:17 AM

Deep into FI but I get a very strong feeling that sods law will come into play and this sort of output will eventually verify.



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GIBBY
Sunday, March 6, 2016 8:45:18 AM
HERE IS MY LATEST ANALYSIS USING DATA SUPPLIED BY THE NWP OUTPUT COVERING 5 OF THE WORLDS MOST POWERFUL WEATHER COMPUTERS ISSUED AT 09:00 ON SUNDAY MAR 6TH 2016

 


THE CURRENT GENERAL SITUATION  A chilly North or NW flow will continue across the UK for the next day or two with a disturbance running South close to Western Britain late today and for a time tonight.


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rtavn001.gif


CURRENT SNOW FORECAST AND FREEZING LEVEL OVER THE UK The freezing level across the UK will remain around about the 2000ft mark for much of the weekend but maybe a little higher than this across the far SW for a time late today and tonight. Snowfall amounts will be small or negligible for most through this weekend with any snow light and fleeting over higher ground exposed to the Northwest, North and NE.


http://www.snow-forecast.com/maps/dynamic/uk 


http://www.natice.noaa.gov/pub/ims/ims_gif/DATA/cursnow.gif 


MODELS-2 WEEK HEADLINE  Rather cold and breezy at first with rain or showers at times with snow on hills. Gradually becoming more settled and less cold then with bright days but cool possibly frosty nights.


THE GFS JET STREAM FORECAST  The Jet Stream has a few more days of blowing South across or just West of the UK. By midweek the flow buckles NE and breaks off from the Southern element with the main arm then tracking NE well to the North of the UK becoming fragmented and variable in position and weaker in strength through Week 2 as High pressure lies close to the UK blocking any direct West to East passage.


http://www.netweather.tv/index.cgi?action=jetstream 


GFS OPERATIONAL The GFS Operational Run's theme today is for the current cold Northerly flow to give way to a cold and very unsettled day Tuesday as Low pressure spins SE down across the UK with strong winds, heavy rain and hill snow possible for a time. Then the middle of the week sees milder and cloudy conditions with further rain at times before High pressure builds up from the South across all areas settling the weather down to fine and sunny weather but with some night frosts. Temperatures by day look quite respectable before a return to unsettled and changeable weather is featured to return towards the end of the period, moving in from the West and NW.


GFS CONTROL RUN The theme of the Control Run shows a similar evolution with High pressure taking control of the weather centreing close to the UK in the second week. Any Spring warmth may be more tempered by different positioning of the High more to the North and NE on this run with the possibility of chilly conditions returning from the East especially later with a cold ESE wind picking up across England and Wales.


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rtavn1441.gif 


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rtavn3841.gif


http://www.meteociel.fr/modeles/gefs_cartes.php?code=0&ech=144&mode=0&carte=0


http://www.meteociel.fr/modeles/gefs_cartes.php?code=0&ech=384&mode=0&carte=0 


GFS ENSEMBLE DAY 14 DATA  The GFS Clusters today show a bias towards High pressure probably most likely to lie close to SW Britain with it's influence stretching across much of the UK. Some members but a much less significant amount project the possibility of a cold Northerly with High pressure out to the NW but this is only shown by a 10% cluster. 


http://www.weatheronline.co.uk/cgi-bin/expertcharts?LANG=en&MENU=0000000000&CONT=euro&MODELL=gefs&MODELLTYP=2&BASE=-&VAR=cpre&HH=372&ZOOM=0&ARCHIV=0&RES=0&WMO=&PERIOD= 


UKMO The UKMO model this morning shows a chilly wet period towards Tuesday and Wednesday as Low pressure moves SE across or just to the East of the UK with some hill snow still likely. Then a change to milder and lighter Westerly winds with some rain chiefly in the North sets up by next weekend with High pressure increasingly influential just to or over the South by the end of it's 6 day period.


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rukm1441.gif 


THE FAX CHARTS The Fax Charts show a very slow change to the pattern across the UK in the next 5 days. In the process will be several days of troughs straddling the UK from the NW then west with rain at times for all and cold enough for some snow at times on the hills up to midweek before the milder air off from off the Atlantic wins out later this week.


http://www.weathercharts.org/ukmomslp.htm#t120 


GEM GEM this morning maintains the theme shown by GFS today in changing the orientation of movement of Low pressure systems away from the SE direction they have taken of late to a more easterly direction much further North of the UK. This has the effect of cutting off the cold NW or North feed and replacing it with milder Atlantic Westerlies. Pressure is then shown to build from the South by next weekend with a sustained spell of dry early Spring weather with sunshine by day but with an increasing likelihood of the return of chillier air and frosts at night as the High responsible migrates out to the NE of the UK later.


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rgem2401.gif 


NAVGEM NAVGEM too shows milder conditions take hold after a chilly and wet period towards midweek. High pressure then builds NE across Southern Britain gradually extending to many areas by next weekend. With a source of winds by then from the SW temperatures should recover to average or perhaps a little above by day although patchy night frosts may still be possible.


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rnvg1681.gif 


ECM ECM today follows the theme too with High pressure steadily building North across the UK by next weekend following the messy transitions from the current rather cold pattern with rain and patchy hill snow between now and more especially midweek. As High pressure builds a spell of Westerly winds and rain at times affects the North before all areas settle into dry and fine almost Springlike conditions with light winds. There is still plenty of scope for night frosts to occur and later in the run as the High drifts further North it maybe that temperatures by day fall back somewhat too as uppers cool a little and an Easterly feed to the wind might develop. 


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Recm2401.gif 


ECM 10 DAY MEAN(12z) The new 240hr mean Chart seems late on release this morning but the main theme of the last night's chart seems unlikely to be changed much this morning given the Operational's message which has High pressure ridged strongly across the UK with a fine and benign weather pattern expected across the UK in 10 days with average temperatures at least for most parts.


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Reem2401.gif 


NOTABLE TRENDS & CHANGES FROM PREVIOUS RUNS The trend is well set for the weather to become fine, settled and less cold from the middle of the week with solid cross model support for High pressure to build across the UK.


31 DAY HISTORICAL VERIFICATION STATS FOR GFS, UKMO & ECM The verification Statistics of GFS, UKMO and ECM show at 24 hours ECM ahead at 99.6 pts with UKMO at 99.5 pts and GFS at 99.4 pts.  At 3 days ECM is leading with 97.6 pts to UKMO's 96.9 pts while GFS lags behind at 96.1 pts. At 5 days ECM leads with 90.7 pts to UKMO at 88.2 pts and GFS at 85.9 pts. Then at 8 Days ECM has the leading spot from GFS with 64.9 pts to 60.5 pts. Finally at Day 10 GFS has the lead from ECM with a score of 48.2 pts to 46.8 pts.


http://www.emc.ncep.noaa.gov/gmb/STATS_vsdb/allmodel/daily/cor/cor_day1_PMSL_MSL_G2NHX.png


http://www.emc.ncep.noaa.gov/gmb/STATS_vsdb/allmodel/daily/cor/cor_day3_PMSL_MSL_G2NHX.png


http://www.emc.ncep.noaa.gov/gmb/STATS_vsdb/allmodel/daily/cor/cor_day5_PMSL_MSL_G2NHX.png


http://www.emc.ncep.noaa.gov/gmb/STATS_vsdb/allmodel/daily/cor/cor_day8_PMSL_MSL_G2NHX.png


http://www.emc.ncep.noaa.gov/gmb/STATS_vsdb/allmodel/daily/cor/cor_day10_PMSL_MSL_G2NHX.png


MY THOUGHTS There is considerable cross model support for a change of weather type as we move through this week with Wednesday or Thursday looking the likely day of transition. What we have now is the same rather cold and unstable NW airflow down across the UK with various disturbances threatening the UK with rain and hill snow at times. However by midweek a shift of the South flowing Jet stream to a less strong West to East flow North of the UK looks probable allowing rising pressure from the South to gradually extend it's influence at first to the South by the weekend and later to all areas with the possibility of a strong High cell sitting directly over the UK in a week or so. It would be too easy to say this will mean wall to wall sunshine and high Spring temperatures but we have to remember it is only March and cloud amounts could scupper this element of proceedings but nonetheless there looks like being a period of sustained dry conditions with light winds. Clear skies at night could allow for some night frosts but daytime levels look like being average at worst as hinted at before dependent on cloud amounts. Then as we look further out into the second week signs that the High might want to regress towards the NE North or NW are all shown by some output so the general feeling is that while staying dry temperatures could fall back somewhat as winds settle from an easterly or NE quadrant. This is all a long way off but it is nice to see sound cross model support for a period of High pressure to allow the extra hours of daylight and lower humidity values expected to dry up the ground in preparation for the Summer growing season.


Next Update Monday March 7th 2016 from 09:00 


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briggsy6
Sunday, March 6, 2016 9:42:06 AM

Something for everyone then in the big yellow teapot.


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David M Porter
Sunday, March 6, 2016 9:47:16 AM

It sure makes a pleasant change to see some model output for the semi-reliable timeframe which shows a strong HP taking charge of proceedings across the UK about a week from now. It seems like an eternity since we had had one of these in charge of our weather!


Lenzie, Glasgow

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Andy Woodcock
Sunday, March 6, 2016 10:16:28 AM

Strange that despite despite many models having high pressure over the UK next weekend their MRF on the Beeb has the high further south with most of the Country under a brisk westerly flow.


Is this a classic case of ECM over doing amplification?


I would go with the MetO which had done an excellent job in the crucial 6-10 day range this winter while ECM has been on repeated Mystery tours overdoing cold and dry spells.


Have to say ECM has gone down the pan this winter and I know what the verification  stats say, but in our small corner of the globe it's been useless most of the time.


However, I do think the MetO will be proved wrong with it's cold March forecast as despite the cold start I fully expect a month near or above average as is usually the case following very mild winters.


Andy


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snow shoes
Sunday, March 6, 2016 11:03:43 AM


 


However, I do think the MetO will be proved wrong with it's cold March forecast as despite the cold start I fully expect a month near or above average as is usually the case following very mild winters.


Andy


Originally Posted by: Andy Woodcock 


 


 


A case in point being March '13 that followed a very mild winter ? (or should that exceptionally cold spring be treated as a one-off) 

yorkshirelad89
Sunday, March 6, 2016 1:35:53 PM

SSW - Sudden Surface Warming? There would be some glorious early Spring days if this verified


 


http://www.wetter-zentrale.de/pics/ECMOPEU12_216_1.png


 


http://www.wetter-zentrale.de/pics/ECMOPEU12_216_2.png


Hull
LeedsLad123
Sunday, March 6, 2016 1:45:52 PM


SSW - Sudden Surface Warming? There would be some glorious early Spring days if this verified


 


http://www.wetter-zentrale.de/pics/ECMOPEU12_216_1.png


 


http://www.wetter-zentrale.de/pics/ECMOPEU12_216_2.png


Originally Posted by: yorkshirelad89 


Yes please. 


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phlippy67
Sunday, March 6, 2016 2:47:16 PM
Well, it looks like the next 24hrs might be the last of the cold weather this winter/spring imby...!
David M Porter
Sunday, March 6, 2016 3:12:55 PM


 


Is this a classic case of ECM over doing amplification?


I


Originally Posted by: Andy Woodcock 


It's not just ECM that shows HP taking up residence right over the UK though Andy. Look at the GFS op charts for about 10 days from now and they seem to be singing from the same hymn sheet as ECM. In fact, some GFS runs have had the high even further north:


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Recm2401.gif


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rtavn2401.gif


 


 


Lenzie, Glasgow

"Let us not take ourselves too seriously. None of us has a monopoly on wisdom, and we must always be ready to listen and respect other points of view."- Queen Elizabeth II 1926-2022
Whether Idle
Sunday, March 6, 2016 7:08:01 PM

It will feel like a different world out there next Saturday with double figure warmth and strong spring sun



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David M Porter
Sunday, March 6, 2016 8:21:14 PM


It will feel like a different world out there next Saturday with double figure warmth and strong spring sun



Originally Posted by: Whether Idle 


Make the most of it while it lasts would be my advice.


Lenzie, Glasgow

"Let us not take ourselves too seriously. None of us has a monopoly on wisdom, and we must always be ready to listen and respect other points of view."- Queen Elizabeth II 1926-2022
PFCSCOTTY
Sunday, March 6, 2016 8:27:00 PM


It will feel like a different world out there next Saturday with double figure warmth and strong spring sun


god 


Originally Posted by: Whether Idle 


God the same temps we achieved in all 3 winter months! 


 


 

SJV
Sunday, March 6, 2016 8:30:24 PM


 


God the same temps we achieved in all 3 winter months! 


 


 


Originally Posted by: PFCSCOTTY 


But with the added bonus of potential sun, and a stronger sun at that, which WI clearly mentioned btw 

Karl Guille
Sunday, March 6, 2016 8:52:26 PM
JMA has other ideas for a week's time!
http://www.meteociel.fr/modeles/jma/runs/2016030612/J192-21.GIF?06-12 
St. Sampson
Guernsey
Zubzero
Sunday, March 6, 2016 8:58:28 PM

JMA has other ideas for a week's time!
Originally Posted by: Karl Guille 

">http://www.meteociel.fr/modeles/jma/runs/2016030612/J192-21.GIF?06-12


 hope it ain't right though it probably will be 

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