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cold snap
Sunday, April 17, 2016 7:05:36 PM


ECM brings the -10 uppers beiefly to the far North of Scotland
Briefly at T144,just imagine these charts in January we would
Be in a deep freeze
Not a big fan of snow this late,but i am facinated how this could
Play out.

C.S
Chunky Pea
Sunday, April 17, 2016 7:09:46 PM

Roll on a thundery warmth.


Current Conditions
https://t.ly/MEYqg 


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Quantum
Sunday, April 17, 2016 7:32:27 PM

JFF of course, but does anyone live in Glasgow?


Modele GFS - Carte prévisions


Anyway while we can't trust these so far out; I doubt the south will see much in the way of settling snow, although the north could well see a covering.


2024/2025 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):
18/11 (-6), 19/11 (-6)

2023/2024 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):
29/11 (-6), 30/11 (-6), 02/12 (-5), 03/12 (-5), 04/12 (-3), 16/01 (-3), 18/01 (-8), 08/02 (-5)

Total: 8 days with snow/sleet falling.

2022/2023 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

18/12 (-1), 06/03 (-6), 08/03 (-8), 09/03 (-6), 10/03 (-8), 11/03 (-5), 14/03 (-6)

Total: 7 days with snow/sleet falling.

2021/2022 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

26/11 (-5), 27/11 (-7), 28/11 (-6), 02/12 (-6), 06/01 (-5), 07/01 (-6), 06/02 (-5), 19/02 (-5), 24/02 (-7), 30/03 (-7), 31/03 (-8), 01/04 (-8)
Total: 12 days with snow/sleet falling.
White Meadows
Sunday, April 17, 2016 8:34:44 PM

Just glimpsed at the ECM through sheer Sunday night boredom and lead me straight to my favourite forum of all time.
Typical uk winter trying to arrive 4-5 months late, rather like our train services.

Could we see a dusting even in the south? It'd be rare but not that unusual.
My dad speaks of 'snowstorm' blizzard like conditions one June during the early 70's.
albeit very short-lived it was enough to postpone his game of cricket.

Brian Gaze
Monday, April 18, 2016 6:20:16 AM

Very consistent GEFS again and snow row ticks up even for London.



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Crepuscular Ray
Monday, April 18, 2016 6:40:31 AM


 


 


Early April 1995. Widespread snow, followed by a very dry month, a nice May, cold first half if June and then the best summer of my lifetime.


 


Northerlies are good at this time of year. They bring clear fresh air, low humidity, sharp showers and great cloudscapes.


Originally Posted by: TimS 


End of April 1981 (26th?) A good 15cm in Leeds after 24hrs of wet snow. Chaos in N England and N Midlands briefly. A max of 1 C in Nottingham. A week before I'd been camping and sunbathing in the Lakes!


Jerry
Edinburgh, in the frost hollow below Blackford Hill
Crepuscular Ray
Monday, April 18, 2016 6:42:14 AM


This is unbelievable. How can the cold still be going. I have to ask, if the winds keep pumping down from the north, how long can such a cold spell be maintained at this time of year.



Is no one else excited about this? Its ridiculous! I know its not winter, but its potentially pretty rare weather!


Originally Posted by: Quantum 


I'm excited Q. So long as we go straight into a long hot summer from 1 May!!


Jerry
Edinburgh, in the frost hollow below Blackford Hill
idj20
Monday, April 18, 2016 7:16:06 AM

After a fairly quiet & uneventful week, it looks like becoming colder and changeable again by the weekend. Quelle surprise.

The only advantage of changing over to BST and being at this time of the year is how it makes it easier to see how rubbish our weather is being in the evenings.  


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GIBBY
Monday, April 18, 2016 7:35:20 AM
HERE IS MY LATEST ANALYSIS USING DATA SUPPLIED BY THE NWP OUTPUT COVERING 5 OF THE WORLDS MOST POWERFUL WEATHER COMPUTERS ISSUED AT 09:00 ON MONDAY APR 18TH 2016

 


THE CURRENT GENERAL SITUATION  A ridge of High pressure lies across the far South of England and will build further over the next 24 hours as well as extend further North tomorrow and Wednesday, killing off the weak trough currently moving South across Northern and Central areas


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rtavn001.gif


CURRENT SNOW FORECAST AND FREEZING LEVEL OVER THE UK The freezing level across the UK will rise steadily through this week towards 6000-8000ft across the South later while the North will not be quite as high though comfortably above 3000ft in the North later 


http://www.snow-forecast.com/maps/dynamic/uk


http://www.natice.noaa.gov/pub/ims/ims_gif/DATA/cursnow.gif 


MODELS-2 WEEK HEADLINE  A lot of dry and bright weather this week with cool nights then even chillier weather with sunshine and showers look likely with a continuing night frost risk thereafter.


THE GFS JET STREAM FORECAST  The split flow in the Jet Stream will remain for a time through this week while later the flow simplifies by diving South across the UK and later still setting up a cyclonic flow around the UK.  


http://www.netweather.tv/index.cgi?action=jetstream 


GFS OPERATIONAL The GFS Operational Run today shows a lot of High pressure influenced weather this week as the centre drifts North from Southern England to lie across the UK through the working week. Then by and over the weekend to come it is pulled West and NW over the Atlantic opening the door to cold and showery weather to arrive from the North with some longer spells of rain too as Low pressure centres across the UK early next week filling only slowly in situ over the UK thereafter while maintaining rain and showers across the UK to end the period.


GFS CONTROL RUN The theme of the Control Run is pretty much the same as the High pressure zone this week is also pulled West and NW out into the Atlantic with cold and showery North winds followed by cyclonic winds all bringing a mix of rain and showers with perhaps some snow on hills especially at first in this phase. Towards the end of the run a brighter and drier period looks possible as Low pressure weakens but further unsettled weather looks poised to flood down from the NW at the final day of the run..


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rtavn1441.gif 


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rtavn3841.gif


http://www.meteociel.fr/modeles/gefs_cartes.php?code=0&ech=144&mode=0&carte=0


http://www.meteociel.fr/modeles/gefs_cartes.php?code=0&ech=384&mode=0&carte=0 


GFS ENSEMBLE DAY 14 DATA The GFS Clusters today once again appear to be a weak tool as there are few signals given this morning which give a clear guide as to where we might be meteorologically in two weeks time. Cyclonic conditions on the face of it seem more likely than not but infinite details about where pressure patterns will pan out in relation to the UK are unclear hence airflow patterns and sources make conditions at the surface hard to predict.


http://www.weatheronline.co.uk/cgi-bin/expertcharts?LANG=en&MENU=0000000000&CONT=euro&MODELL=gefs&MODELLTYP=2&BASE=-&VAR=cpre&HH=372&ZOOM=0&ARCHIV=0&RES=0&WMO=&PERIOD= 


UKMO The UKMO model this morning shows High pressure well in control over much of this working week before it recedes to the West over the coming weekend with a chilly Northerly developing which brings the risk of showers, especially in the East but with plenty of dry weather still with some frost at night in the drier West and NW.


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rukm1441.gif 


THE FAX CHARTS The Fax Charts today agree with the theme of the Operational Run with High pressure through the week pushed out to the West by the weekend with a squeeze of troughs from both the South and North making the weather less reliably dry by the weekend as well as dropping temperatures downwards by the weekend as a North or NE wind takes hold.


http://www.weathercharts.org/ukmomslp.htm#t120 


GEM GEM this morning also shows a largely dry and bright week to come before the same North winds develop by the weekend and accompanied by Low pressure moving in close to Eastern Britain rain and showers breaking out then too and under low temperatures some snow can be expected on the higher hills of the North. This pattern then largely remains locked into the midweek period next week with further rain or showers at times.


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rgem2401.gif 


NAVGEM NAVGEM too shows good support for a High pressure based week to come with fine days with some sunshine mixed with chilly nights with frost in places. It too by the weekend shows a slip into a colder Northerly wind though somewhat slacker than some other models but still capable of delivering showers as pressure falls across the UK and under any clear intervals overnight the light winds could give rise to night frosts.


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rnvg1681.gif 


ECM ECM today still maintains the theme of a relatively decent week of weather to come as High pressure across the UK slowly drifts West and NW by the weekend with a slow drift into a colder Northerly flow come the weekend with some showers breaking out in places. Then through the weekend and start of next week rather cold conditions with showers or rain at times looks more likely though on this run things might not turn quite as chilly as some of the previous versions of this model run has shown as the coldest temperatures become held further to the NW of the UK with more of an influence of Atlantic westerlies in the South though the overall weather pattern would become very unsettled for all.


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Recm2401.gif 


ECM 10 DAY MEAN (12z) The 240hr mean Chart from last night shows n changes from the theme shown for days so the likelihood of a chilly North flow down across the UK is still a very likely one as we move towards the period 10 days hence.


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Reem2401.gif 


NOTABLE TRENDS & CHANGES FROM PREVIOUS RUNS Changes are just small and subtle in the different ways in which a chilly Northerly flow is shown and as a result will likely be blowing down across the UK in the 10-14 day period.


31 DAY HISTORICAL VERIFICATION STATS FOR GFS, UKMO & ECM The verification Statistics of GFS, UKMO and ECM show at 24 hours ECM ahead at 99.6 pts with UKMO at 99.5 pts and GFS at 99.3 pts.  At 3 days ECM is leading with 97.3 pts to UKMO's 96.7 pts while GFS lags behind at 95.6 pts. At 5 days ECM leads with 89.2 pts to UKMO at 86.9 pts and GFS at 83.6 pts. Then at 8 Days ECM has the leading spot from GFS with 65.7 pts to 58.9 pts. Finally at Day 10 ECM has the lead from GFS with a score of 44.9 pts to 39.9 pts.


http://www.emc.ncep.noaa.gov/gmb/STATS_vsdb/allmodel/daily/cor/cor_day1_PMSL_MSL_G2NHX.png


http://www.emc.ncep.noaa.gov/gmb/STATS_vsdb/allmodel/daily/cor/cor_day3_PMSL_MSL_G2NHX.png


http://www.emc.ncep.noaa.gov/gmb/STATS_vsdb/allmodel/daily/cor/cor_day5_PMSL_MSL_G2NHX.png


http://www.emc.ncep.noaa.gov/gmb/STATS_vsdb/allmodel/daily/cor/cor_day8_PMSL_MSL_G2NHX.png


http://www.emc.ncep.noaa.gov/gmb/STATS_vsdb/allmodel/daily/cor/cor_day10_PMSL_MSL_G2NHX.png


MY THOUGHTS Still no major changes in the overall patterning between the models this morning. However, not all of the output is quite so strong in supporting really chilly air across the UK and ECM has thrown up a common scenario in this sort of setup where the coldest air stays to the NW of the UK as the Low pressure responsible moves across the UK from the NE and cuts off a direct Northerly feed that had previously been shown due to Low pressure holding out to the East. Nevertheless, this is just crumbs of comfort in an otherwise persistent pattern which nearly has a 100% of chance of verifying this morning. In the interim period High pressure lying across the UK will deliver some quite pleasant conditions this week with sunshine breaking out again by midweek after a couple of cloudy but largely dry days today and tomorrow. Then as winds freshen from the East later in the week there is still a decreasing threat of some rain moving up briefly from the South into the South though this looks a receding risk and it's not until winds back NE or North at the weekend when notable changes take hold. Colder air will plunge South again towards the weekend with an increasing risk of showers, first in the East and probably anywhere later and with air from such a cold source it will still be cold enough for some snow on Northern hills and mountains. The main concern for me is that once established there is little desire within the models to break us out of the pattern and as long as High pressure remains strong near Greenland it maybe that much of next week too remains cool and showery although there will be a fair amount of dry and bright weather too between the cold showers and it's at these times it will probably feel OK.


Next Update Tuesday April 19th 2016 from 09:00 


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The Beast from the East
Monday, April 18, 2016 11:26:13 AM

http://modeles.meteociel.fr/modeles/gfs/runs/2016041806/gfs-1-192.png?6


Certainly a notable blast of cold air even though it wont last all that long


 


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moomin75
Monday, April 18, 2016 1:34:53 PM


 


But what about the novelty! I mean as an avid coldie even I was excited about the heatwave last July because it was so unusual! I haven't lived through 1981, okay I had a snow shower in May 2012. But this could actually be a bit of significant weather, which is amazing so late!


 


Originally Posted by: Quantum 

Well with it looking almost nailed on I guess for novelty it could be interesting. But at this late stage nothing short of a 1908 style blizzard would suffice.


Biting northerly winds with fleeting hail showers and temps of 7c will be awful.


6inches of snow and blizzard would be another matter.


Can't rule anything out as all we would need is a disturbance in the flow or a shift of that trough in the north Sea and we could be in business. 


Witney, Oxfordshire
100m ASL
Quantum
Monday, April 18, 2016 1:46:06 PM


Well with it looking almost nailed on I guess for novelty it could be interesting. But at this late stage nothing short of a 1908 style blizzard would suffice.


Biting northerly winds with fleeting hail showers and temps of 7c will be awful.


6inches of snow and blizzard would be another matter.


Can't rule anything out as all we would need is a disturbance in the flow or a shift of that trough in the north Sea and we could be in business. 


Originally Posted by: moomin75 


I think a NWerly wave is our best bet. A well defined warm sector will produce alot of snow on its eastern edge. The advantage of this is that it would be a non occluded system. The issue with fully occluded systems is that although they don't have a warm sector, they have a warm seculsion, large regions of -3C uppers is useless at the best of times. Better to have a decent warm sector with +2C uppers and cold air on its eastern side.


The 1981 event had a juvenile low forming in situ. I don't think this is a likely possibility; although meseo scale lows are certaintly possible.


 


2024/2025 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):
18/11 (-6), 19/11 (-6)

2023/2024 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):
29/11 (-6), 30/11 (-6), 02/12 (-5), 03/12 (-5), 04/12 (-3), 16/01 (-3), 18/01 (-8), 08/02 (-5)

Total: 8 days with snow/sleet falling.

2022/2023 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

18/12 (-1), 06/03 (-6), 08/03 (-8), 09/03 (-6), 10/03 (-8), 11/03 (-5), 14/03 (-6)

Total: 7 days with snow/sleet falling.

2021/2022 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

26/11 (-5), 27/11 (-7), 28/11 (-6), 02/12 (-6), 06/01 (-5), 07/01 (-6), 06/02 (-5), 19/02 (-5), 24/02 (-7), 30/03 (-7), 31/03 (-8), 01/04 (-8)
Total: 12 days with snow/sleet falling.
Gary L
Monday, April 18, 2016 2:37:34 PM

Still too far away but the timing of any precipitation will probably be crucial this late in the season. Anything coming through in the early hours of the morning could lead to some significant snowfall.

Whether Idle
Monday, April 18, 2016 4:22:18 PM

GFS forecasting temperatures as high as 17c this week in favoured western locations.  Well above average



 


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Quantum
Monday, April 18, 2016 4:31:17 PM

UKMO is extreme; system coming into cold air bringing snow.


Modele UKMO - Carte prévisions


2024/2025 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):
18/11 (-6), 19/11 (-6)

2023/2024 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):
29/11 (-6), 30/11 (-6), 02/12 (-5), 03/12 (-5), 04/12 (-3), 16/01 (-3), 18/01 (-8), 08/02 (-5)

Total: 8 days with snow/sleet falling.

2022/2023 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

18/12 (-1), 06/03 (-6), 08/03 (-8), 09/03 (-6), 10/03 (-8), 11/03 (-5), 14/03 (-6)

Total: 7 days with snow/sleet falling.

2021/2022 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

26/11 (-5), 27/11 (-7), 28/11 (-6), 02/12 (-6), 06/01 (-5), 07/01 (-6), 06/02 (-5), 19/02 (-5), 24/02 (-7), 30/03 (-7), 31/03 (-8), 01/04 (-8)
Total: 12 days with snow/sleet falling.
sriram
Monday, April 18, 2016 5:10:21 PM
This is just not fair

Why can't we get these charts in winter ?

The penny will drop one year when we get charts appropriate to the season - that is winter charts in winter not winter charts in spring
Sriram
Sedgley, West Midlands ( just south of Wolverhampton )
162m ASL
Charmhills
Monday, April 18, 2016 5:24:20 PM

The Met/o 12z looks very chilly and even wintry in some places.


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SJV
Monday, April 18, 2016 6:14:50 PM


The Met/o 12z looks very chilly and even wintry in some places.


Originally Posted by: Charmhills 


If it's going to get chilly/wintry this weekend it might as well make a decent fist of it. I hope we see some late season snow, rather than cold rain and muck again


Of course, spring warmth is strongly preferred! 

moomin75
Monday, April 18, 2016 6:21:14 PM


 


If it's going to get chilly/wintry this weekend it might as well make a decent fist of it. I hope we see some late season snow, rather than cold rain and muck again


Of course, spring warmth is strongly preferred! 


Originally Posted by: SJV 

Couldn't agree more. No one in their right minds truly wants snow and ice a week from May but if it's a big one then it could be an enjoyable novelty.


However I fear it will be a damp squib with fleeting hail showers and wintry blue skies in between.


Typical that these Synoptics arrive now. Happens with monotonous regularity.


Witney, Oxfordshire
100m ASL
Charmhills
Monday, April 18, 2016 6:25:58 PM

You wona see the GFS 12z then........


Loughborough, EM.

Knowledge is power, ignorance is weakness.

Duane.
idj20
Monday, April 18, 2016 6:56:45 PM

Mind you, given the medium range outlook, hay fever sufferers will appreciate the grass pollen being kept at bay, not to mention maintaining excellent air quality . . . saving graces and all that. Of course, I do want things to warm up in the day time as much as the next person, especially now I no longer work under glass but for now I kinda do like these cool fresh nights to sleep in easily with.


Folkestone Harbour. 
Sevendust
Monday, April 18, 2016 10:57:09 PM
Wake me up in May LOL.
Looking like an extended cold spell now with conditions in a serious rut.
Model agreement, backed up by Meto thoughts suggest a threat of at least falling snow in a number of places through the weekend and into next week.
Yes you could argue the pattern is wasted but you are far more likely to get "cold synoptics" in Spring than in Winter due to a number of factors, not least the slackening jet which encourages meandering meridional patterns
Gusty
Tuesday, April 19, 2016 6:01:09 AM

Fascinating output again this morning with regard to late season cold and snow potential early next week. I note with interest that the GFS 0z even manages to bring a wedge of -8c 850Hpa's to the SE coast. By early Tuesday 517 dam thcknesses pay us a visit briefly too.


We need to keep an eye on night time disturbances in the cold arctic flow... They have happened many times before and will happen again.



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JACKO4EVER
Tuesday, April 19, 2016 6:10:08 AM
God I hate this climate
UncleAlbert
Tuesday, April 19, 2016 6:25:55 AM

Good time to get the grass cut, snow looks much better on a cut lawn!


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Recm241.gif 

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