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Gavin D
31 May 2016 10:28:27

GFS 06z has the high holding on



00z to compare


Rob K
31 May 2016 23:59:19
I'm not quite sure why there is so much doom and gloom around and talk of a poor June. As far as I can see, after a brief cool and wet blip to start the month, we have plenty of fine weather from Sunday onwards with temperatures reaching the mid or even upper 20s in the southeast through next week.
Yateley, NE Hampshire, 73m asl
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cultman1
01 June 2016 07:47:01

Matt Hugo recently tweeted an indifferent start to June and TWO's home page today implies a 'possible' return to Atlantic driven systems from mid next week for the UK. In other words our default weather pattern is potentially likely to return. I therefore assume that in the short to medium term there is no real sign of ''sustained ' warmth or summery weather on the cards...

JACKO4EVER
01 June 2016 08:12:55
I wonder how long the Atlantic return will last if it does indeed break through? Extensive northern blocking, now a possible Atlantic train....... Oh dear. Let's see how it develops before getting too hung up on it.
Sevendust
01 June 2016 08:54:48
Not much agreement in the models mid-term so how anyone can predict with certainty at that range is beyond me
DEW
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01 June 2016 08:56:35


Matt Hugo recently tweeted an indifferent start to June and TWO's home page today implies a 'possible' return to Atlantic driven systems from mid next week for the UK. In other words our default weather pattern is potentially likely to return. I therefore assume that in the short to medium term there is no real sign of ''sustained ' warmth or summery weather on the cards...


Originally Posted by: cultman1 


Nothing brilliant to be seen here - if anything, going backwards as we go into the second week of June as regards temp


http://www.wxmaps.org/pix/temp4.html


and wetter into the bargain


http://www.wxmaps.org/pix/prec4.html


 


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four
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01 June 2016 09:00:20


Matt Hugo recently tweeted an indifferent start to June and TWO's home page today implies a 'possible' return to Atlantic driven systems from mid next week for the UK. In other words our default weather pattern is potentially likely to return. I therefore assume that in the short to medium term there is no real sign of ''sustained ' warmth or summery weather on the cards...


Originally Posted by: cultman1 


Hope so, then we may actually reach 15C again at some point


Rob K
01 June 2016 09:30:47



Hope so, then we may actually reach 15C again at some point


Originally Posted by: four 


Yes the northeast has had a particularly bad time of it, some 12C difference between, say, Newcastle and Glasgow in recent days!


 


For me in the south, 00Z GFS maintains a fairly decent picture from Sunday until Thursday, with decent warmth but always the chance of showers.


Interestingly the ensemble charts show that we are currently some 4C above average in terms of 850s but that really isn't translating on the ground with that northeast wind! http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/MT8_London_ens.png


 


 


 


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LeedsLad123
01 June 2016 11:52:43


 


Nothing brilliant to be seen here - if anything, going backwards as we go into the second week of June as regards temp


http://www.wxmaps.org/pix/temp4.html


and wetter into the bargain


http://www.wxmaps.org/pix/prec4.html


 


Originally Posted by: DEW 


I don't see anything wrong with those charts.


Anyway, a return of the Atlantic would be most welcome for those of us in eastern areas - currently 11C with overcast skies. Absolutely dreadful. It's not just the bulk of England either but France has also been seeing appalling weather for the time of year with both countries stuck under a hard-to-shift layer of cloud. 


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Hungry Tiger
01 June 2016 13:54:29

Almost anything must be an improvement on the past 48 hours round here.


 


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01 June 2016 14:07:18


 


I don't see anything wrong with those charts.


Anyway, a return of the Atlantic would be most welcome for those of us in eastern areas - currently 11C with overcast skies. Absolutely dreadful. It's not just the bulk of England either but France has also been seeing appalling weather for the time of year with both countries stuck under a hard-to-shift layer of cloud. 


Originally Posted by: LeedsLad123 


Tell me about it. Worst May half term holiday weather I can remember. Central France is looking and feeling like North Wales.


Brockley, South East London 30m asl
Tim A
01 June 2016 15:00:16


 


I don't see anything wrong with those charts.


Anyway, a return of the Atlantic would be most welcome for those of us in eastern areas - currently 11C with overcast skies. Absolutely dreadful. It's not just the bulk of England either but France has also been seeing appalling weather for the time of year with both countries stuck under a hard-to-shift layer of cloud. 


Originally Posted by: LeedsLad123 


Agreed. I must be looking at different charts to some  people. 


Hoping summer starts on Saturday with respectable temperatures returning for the forseeable future .


E.g 24c in the Vale of York instead of 11c. If that's not a significant improvement I don't know what is. 


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rtavn15617.gif


 


 


 


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David M Porter
01 June 2016 15:50:00

I wonder how long the Atlantic return will last if it does indeed break through? Extensive northern blocking, now a possible Atlantic train....... Oh dear. Let's see how it develops before getting too hung up on it.

Originally Posted by: JACKO4EVER 


The most notable change to the weather that I've noticed of late is that going back to mid-March, any spells of atlantic driven weather we've had where I am have been few and far between, and fairly short-lived. The current pattern of HP somewhere to the north of the UK and lower pressure to the south seems to have been occuring on-and-off ever since mid-March.


One thing this pattern has resulted is a spell of much drier weather here, which was much needed after the washout of last winter.


Lenzie, Glasgow

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ozone_aurora
01 June 2016 18:48:01

Non-westerlies/northern blocking are not uncommon in Spring, particularly in April and early half of May, but this one has been running longer than normal. At least the NW has enjoyed some fine weather, normally rare in westerlies in Summer half of year. 


Now if only this was Winter.....

moomin75
01 June 2016 20:57:30

ECM not great tonight. A brief burst of summer, but quickly replaced by the dreaded Green circle of death as trough sets up slap bang over the UK, bring cold and unsettled weather back very quickly.


If this comes off, June will be a very disappointing affair.


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cultman1
01 June 2016 21:58:45
The BBC weather forecast tonight was hardly encouraging as far as this weekend goes for a proper sustained change to warmth... a lot of ifs and buts ....Friday for the south looks very disappointing temperature wise ... Time will tell
LA2B MeridFlowEuro09
01 June 2016 22:06:43

It looks like a very repetitive pattern, not much rain and the outlook looks very unsettled for NW Europe upto mid-june 2016.


NE Europe and NW UK and parts of Iceland have seen plenty of abnormally warm and sunny conditions. 


Negative NAO, with forecast for more cold weather in Norway N NE side Europe including Finland et all.


Lows both in South parts of Mid Lattitudes and the Arctic Circle including Svalbard etc, NE Canada, around the Greenland High.


With areas of SE and far South Europe seeing their fair share of very warm sunshine, and it looks very warm Sunday to Wednesday and Thursday 5-9 June 2016, with very warm nice hot sunshine then 9th June UK NW Europe warm sector with active Thunderstorms followed by heavy rain and blustery showers and strong Cyclonic and SW flow.


North Atlantic High with belts of Low P's under and over it, SW and NE of North Atlantic Negative NA -ve Negative AO, cold NE Europe Svalbard early June Snow showers.😆🌩❄️😅😏.


Climate is warming up, Scotland and N Ireland and North England still often gets some Winter frost, ice and snow, November to March, but the SE and South UK including S Central England and Wales, together with the West and North through the year, they sometimes get more rain than London and S SE England, where some longer dry fine spells without much heavy rain is seen every year.

The North Atlantic Sea often gets some much Colder Wintry conditions from November to March Months, and Mild SW and South winds tend to be more frequent over the East and SE of North Atlantic Sea, as the Azores High tends to stay in charge. 

With this warmth and heat, the Central and South UK has become mostly free of snow and frost.
Whether Idle
02 June 2016 06:11:49

Well, the focus of the whingeing and gloating will perform a volte -face as there is a BIG change in the pattern set for Tuesday.  The wind will switch from a northern or eastern quadrant to a southern or western quadrant, with changes in patterns of cloud, temperature and rainfall distribution as you would expect to develop for your location as we source tropical maritime and polar maritime (returning) air.


Note the wind roses for London shown here from 0z ens:



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LA2B MeridFlowEuro09
02 June 2016 06:36:42

It clearly the GFS 00z run re-allignes and amplifies the Azores and Bartlett High revival with NW Atlantic Low to Arctic Low NE Europe PV NW Flow with Low's diving SE.


Looks like a more drier and sunnier outlook now drawn in GFS output, garbage in and garbage out.  Very similar to last years December Synoptical pattern.


Large parts of West and NW Europe now if GFS 00z run is correct will expect very warm and Sunny weather next week. Hugh change to Jetstream great waving SSW to North NE, pulling back SE away from West NW Europe over NE Europe.


Large flow from SW to NE in E and NE Central USA to West and N Greenland advecting warm air into NW Atlantic, cooler weather for North and NE USA I would imagine.🌤😀😎😆.


Edit: Looking at closely to 144 and 168 aka Weds/Thurs next week, It very warm and dry from Sat 4th onwards with UK under a warm High, cold Cyclonic NW flow hits NE far side Europe NE and the Mid Atlantic SW N Atlantic Spinning Stuck PV Low remain strong and then by Next week 10th June that then at 192hrs ECMWF not GFS affect UK with the warm High go back to Greenland and to Iceland.


Mid to East and NE USA and NW Atlantic Off SW Greenland Cool with West to East moving Low Pressure (further SSE when compared to the GFS at same time aka much better for changeable early to mid June weather, but for us our fine very warm spell from Sat. 4th to Thursday 9th June GFS and ECMWF still hold confident in forecasting this dry sunny outlook.  ECMWF on it's self show Low Pressure over UK by 10th June while it was showing breakdown on 8th June 2016 yesterday.  Svalbard and Arctic Sea Northeast Europe  cold NW or Westerly flow with chilly air again expect to dominate that area Inc. far NNE Atlantic NE Iceland as well. 


Climate is warming up, Scotland and N Ireland and North England still often gets some Winter frost, ice and snow, November to March, but the SE and South UK including S Central England and Wales, together with the West and North through the year, they sometimes get more rain than London and S SE England, where some longer dry fine spells without much heavy rain is seen every year.

The North Atlantic Sea often gets some much Colder Wintry conditions from November to March Months, and Mild SW and South winds tend to be more frequent over the East and SE of North Atlantic Sea, as the Azores High tends to stay in charge. 

With this warmth and heat, the Central and South UK has become mostly free of snow and frost.
GIBBY
02 June 2016 07:10:39

Readers of my website will of noticed that some of the detail in the services it provides have been temporarily suspended or modified while a new website is being built and this is true of the Model Analysis page. So from now until further notice just 'My Thoughts' will be published daily here. The new website should be online sometime in July and my regular daily analysis as you know it will return then. In the meantime here's my thoughts for today's crop of output.


The model output today still show a lot of slack pressure likely across the UK for another week at least as no one pressure area (be it low or high) has overall control of the UK weather. For the time being High pressure to the North and Low pressure over Europe maintains an East or NE feed of air across the UK bringing warmer air from Europe at the weekend and re-introducing thundery showers in places especially over the South and West. Then a Low pressure area over the Atlantic may hold the key to a move away from the current pattern as it drifts ENE towards the UK next week. With pressure then slowly rising over Europe some better conditions look likely there while the UK turns more unsettled with rain and showers in winds more from the SW than for some considerable time. While this process is undertaken some very warm air could waft over the South and East making any rain thundery in nature in places. GFS takes this Low pressure further to the North with the South and East seeing the warmest and driest weather of the two weeks in this evolution before it too joins the cooler unsettled theme later in Week 2. The GFS Clusters support the theme of the UK under an unsettled Atlantic feed of air with rain and showers at Day 14 with ECM's mean chart for Day10 illustrating something along similar lines.So all in all today a change looks on the way but we may have to be patient and for those who have basked in recent sunshine and warmth in the NW of the UK the change may not be so welcome as it looks like it could become their turn to see some rain and showers while the South and East have a better chance of seeing some warmth and dry periods between scattered thundery showers.


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David M Porter
02 June 2016 08:13:29


ECM not great tonight. A brief burst of summer, but quickly replaced by the dreaded Green circle of death as trough sets up slap bang over the UK, bring cold and unsettled weather back very quickly.


If this comes off, June will be a very disappointing affair.


Originally Posted by: moomin75 


More jumping to the gun methinks.


There will still be more than half of June to go after the end of the ECM run, you know. This morning's run only goes as far as June 12th!


Lenzie, Glasgow

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moomin75
02 June 2016 08:21:45


 


More jumping to the gun methinks.


There will still be more than half of June to go after the end of the ECM run, you know. This morning's run only goes as far as June 12th!


Originally Posted by: David M Porter 

It does yes and it's still trending cooler and unsettled David.


However. GFS is particularly impressive and much warmer so all is not lost. 


Witney, Oxfordshire
100m ASL
ARTzeman
02 June 2016 11:39:10

Thank you for your report Martin. Mac and wellies seem to be the order this month.. will look forward to the new site next month.  






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Bertwhistle
02 June 2016 12:01:26

http://www.theweatheroutlook.com/twodata/chart.aspx?chart=/charts/gfs/06_207_mslp850.png?cb=41


GFS 06 continues its stance- from 3 days out to 10, warmth continues; next Friday's chart looks good this far out- nice little sausage high starting to develop.


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JOHN NI
02 June 2016 13:14:40


http://www.theweatheroutlook.com/twodata/chart.aspx?chart=/charts/gfs/06_207_mslp850.png?cb=41


GFS 06 continues its stance- from 3 days out to 10, warmth continues; next Friday's chart looks good this far out- nice little sausage high starting to develop.


Originally Posted by: Bertwhistle 


And unfortunately a considerable outlier on the 0600 ensemble. Majority support a quicker return to 'normality' for this part of the world. Still  - outliers do occasionally win - its one version of the possibilities as the model see's it.


John.
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