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Joe Bloggs
02 December 2017 10:23:28


Sod them, what about IMBY. 😎


Originally Posted by: Solar Cycles 


FWIW these charts look like those in Dec 2009.


WNW’ly winds with 850’s at or around -10C = heavy snow for most of NW England. 



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doctormog
02 December 2017 10:23:30
Any chance of an easterly down the line on this run?
The Beast from the East
02 December 2017 10:24:29

one of those occasions where it can be very cold in the NE USA and cold here at the same time



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Gooner
02 December 2017 10:28:37

Great run from GFS and getting very close to the reliable  timeframe 


A strong NWly has often pushed snow showers through the Cheshire gap to Oxfordshire 


 


much encouragement 


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The Beast from the East
02 December 2017 10:28:59

From IMBY perspective we need some atlantic moisture to make its way up to make some snow


But agreed the NW should do well


 


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Joe Bloggs
02 December 2017 10:31:00

In all honesty I’m not especially interested in the possibility of back edge snow (there’s so much that can go wrong with that).


I’m far more interested in the convective activity once the low pulls into the North Sea. If we can maintain that Greenland ridge for long enough with very cold uppers, then much larger sections of the population could receive some meaningful snowfall. 



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The Beast from the East
02 December 2017 10:31:00

snow pushing up the channel perhaps! Lets enjoy the moment, it could be all change in a few hours!




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Gandalf The White
02 December 2017 10:31:50

From +144 the low pressure in the north sea just off coast of Norway, doesn't really want to sweep southwards it just sort of stalls and weakens!?

Originally Posted by: tallyho_83 


If the pieces are broadly in the right places then a static pattern is fine.


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Rob K
02 December 2017 10:35:37
Remember of course that the GFS precipitation patterns are useless - if there was a slack unstable pattern with lots of cold air as shown in this run after the LP moves through then heavy snow could crop up just about anywhere.

Ignoring the details this is another great run. No sign so far of the GFS moving towards a flatter picture.
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Ally Pally Snowman
02 December 2017 10:37:45

the GFS 6z is verging on ridiculous in how cold and snowy it is. Probably nonsense but might as well enjoy the charts. A stunner!


 


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Solar Cycles
02 December 2017 10:39:06


 


FWIW these charts look like those in Dec 2009.


WNW’ly winds with 850’s at or around -10C = heavy snow for most of NW England. 


Originally Posted by: Joe Bloggs 

Indeed, plenty of kinks in those isobars so no doubt we’d see showers/longer periods of wintry precipitation once the main action passes through.

Chunky Pea
02 December 2017 10:39:58

A rough guide as to what the latest GFS would bring snow wise later next week. Fairly typical of a NNW'ly I think. 


 



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doctormog
02 December 2017 10:40:05
I see the pattern only changes after the resolution decreases (+240hr)
Shropshire
02 December 2017 10:40:53


In all honesty I’m not especially interested in the possibility of back edge snow (there’s so much that can go wrong with that).


I’m far more interested in the convective activity once the low pulls into the North Sea. If we can maintain that Greenland ridge for long enough with very cold uppers, then much larger sections of the population could receive some meaningful snowfall. 


Originally Posted by: Joe Bloggs 


It's all about maintaining the heights over Greenland and the 06z does that for as long as you can hope to achieve from this set-up. I'll be wanting to see changes from the ECM later before I can get on board with some of the hyperbole.


 


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Charmhills
02 December 2017 10:41:22

I'm quite pleased with the runs this morning.



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tallyho_83
02 December 2017 10:41:49


snow pushing up the channel perhaps! Lets enjoy the moment, it could be all change in a few hours!




Originally Posted by: The Beast from the East 


Could be cold rain? Or isn't it too far south? and slides into France?


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The Beast from the East
02 December 2017 10:43:35

still holding on. I'd bank this run even though its largely dry for my location. A sustained cold spell rather than a snap



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roger63
02 December 2017 10:44:00


 


Are you looking at the same run as me Roger? Your analysis doesn’t seem to match the output very closely.


Edit: For clarity, 30hr after the chart you posted nothing seems to have “toppled” anywhere http://www.wetterzentrale.de/maps/GFSOPEU06_174_1.png 


Originally Posted by: doctormog 


Fair point.Was expecting to see the LP  in the further north position compared to the 0h, to pull away faster.

Joe Bloggs
02 December 2017 10:44:46


 


It's all about maintaining the heights over Greenland and the 06z does that for as long as you can hope to achieve from this set-up. I'll be wanting to see changes from the ECM later before I can get on board with some of the hyperbole.


 


Originally Posted by: Shropshire 


I certainly agree we need to have the ECM on board. Everything crossed it ramps up the wintry theme slightly. Even the 00z is OK - and I am encouraged that the MetO supports GFS. 



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doctormog
02 December 2017 10:46:21


 


I certainly agree we need to have the ECM on board. Everything crossed it ramps up the wintry theme slightly. Even the 00z is OK - and I am encouraged that the MetO supports GFS. 


Originally Posted by: Joe Bloggs 


On that theme I’m not sure anyone has posted the Met Office model’s 168hr chart https://ruc.noaa.gov/hfip/tcgen/2017/2017120200/ukm2.2017120900.168.lant.troplant.prp.fcst.gentracker.png 


tallyho_83
02 December 2017 10:50:41

Slack easterly wind for Xmas day - quite different from the mild and wet that has always been on the previous model runs. STILL the Greenland blocking feature hangin on.


 Look forward to Gav's Xmas update.


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Joe Bloggs
02 December 2017 10:50:51

In fact the MetO T+144 is a stunning chart. 


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/maps/UKMOPEU00_144_1.png


 



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Chunky Pea
02 December 2017 11:00:35


In fact the MetO T+144 is a stunning chart. 


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/maps/UKMOPEU00_144_1.png


 


Originally Posted by: Joe Bloggs 


A real pity they don't make 850 temp charts available, but that looks pretty scaldy for some. 


Current Conditions
https://t.ly/MEYqg 


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Rob K
02 December 2017 11:01:48


 


I certainly agree we need to have the ECM on board. Everything crossed it ramps up the wintry theme slightly. Even the 00z is OK - and I am encouraged that the MetO supports GFS. 


Originally Posted by: Joe Bloggs 


We don't "need" to have any model on board. Even if none of the models existed, the weather would do what it's going to do anyway (barring the butterfly effect from the rising air caused by the heat of the ECMWF servers in Reading!)


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Gandalf The White
02 December 2017 11:03:38


 


A real pity they don't make 850 temp charts available, but that looks pretty scaldy for some. 


Originally Posted by: Chunky Pea 


But they do...



Arctic air (not from Canada.... ) driving south.


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