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doctormog
04 December 2017 18:16:50

A cool NWly so far on the ECM 12z (for Friday) http://www.wetterzentrale.de/maps/ECMOPEU12_96_1.png


(500-100hpa seem up to 10dam here than on the GFS chart at the same time)


SJV
04 December 2017 18:19:01


Looks a bit blowy near you, Doc!  You hardy lot might have to put on a coat 

Whether Idle
04 December 2017 18:19:38


Yes, all looks pretty standard, if a wee bit breezy, the 850s are not that cold: except in Northern Ireland at midday Friday



and at day 5 the high slumps with 850s of around -6 for many, bog standard lee northerly.



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tallyho_83
04 December 2017 18:22:17

Sorry - but I over heard murr sausage - what the heck does this mean? It's a murr Sausage? I know of Barlett high but murr? :o#


Sliders? What is this? A SLIDER of Low pressure sliding across the country in the NW to SE direction!?


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doctormog
04 December 2017 18:24:29


 


Looks a bit blowy near you, Doc!  You hardy lot might have to put on a coat 


Originally Posted by: SJV 


Northwesterly gales and driving rain. Just a typical summer’s day! 


(Much lower wintry potential than the GFS option so far)


Brian Gaze
04 December 2017 18:29:53

GEFS 12z looks to have trended significantly colder. It's a promising outlook for cold weather fans in most of the UK. 



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Maunder Minimum
04 December 2017 18:31:58

Just a pity about ECM.


Of course, we would prefer GFS to verify, but what are the odds on that?


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Gooner
04 December 2017 18:34:54

Slider on ECM @144 could do with it a tad further SW


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tallyho_83
04 December 2017 18:35:26


GEFS 12z looks to have trended significantly colder. It's a promising outlook for cold weather fans in most of the UK. 



Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 


And each day we are getting closer to Xmas! Hope it's seasonal - We have had so many well above average mild unseasonable Christmas's recently that I have lost count. We are well over due a cold snowy one. If it's not going to be snowy at least frosty and icy etc - We can't have another +10 to +15c on Xmas day time and time again. - I refer more to the SW I guess. Not sure about the rest of country.


 


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Gavin D
04 December 2017 18:35:45

Rain for many at t144


doctormog
04 December 2017 18:37:13


Slider on ECM @144 could do with it a tad further SW


Originally Posted by: Gooner 


The ECM looks a good deal less cold than the ECM 12z run in the early to medium stages (at one point it warmer than almost every single GFS 12z ensemble member here). Cool, wet and windy does seem like the order of the day.


Nordic Snowman
04 December 2017 18:38:57


GEFS 12z looks to have trended significantly colder. It's a promising outlook for cold weather fans in most of the UK. 



Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 


Yes,  cold Friday and weekend ahead for sure and probably best described as chilly/rather cold for much of next week with some variability; most likely rain in the S but the potential for some wintry ppn on higher ground at times - IMO (as always, snow most likely further N).


I think the METO have their extended outlook spot on with cold and mild(er) interludes throughout December - slow moving and without it ever being zonal/above average temperatures. How this plays out as we near Christmas remains to be seen.


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tallyho_83
04 December 2017 18:39:00
SO anyone - What's a Murr Sausage? please? I know of A Bartlett?
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Whether Idle
04 December 2017 18:43:01


 


The ECM looks a good deal less cold than the ECM 12z run in the early to medium stages (at one point it warmer than almost every single GFS 12z ensemble member here). Cool, wet and windy does seem like the order of the day.


Originally Posted by: doctormog 


This underlines the importance of caution in the build up to a "cold snap/spell"  and not to look further ahead for detail than 72 to 96 hours.


The ECM has impressive verification stats and may have this right.


 


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Gavin D
04 December 2017 18:44:51

Atlantic having a go at t192


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Gooner
04 December 2017 18:50:26



Atlantic having a go at t192


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Originally Posted by: Gavin D 


Not the Atlantic as we know it , the NH view is the best , that’s sliding down from the NW


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Gavin D
04 December 2017 18:50:50

Wet n windy at D9 not the best of runs for coldies it must be said


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doctormog
04 December 2017 18:51:25


 


This underlines the importance of caution in the build up to a "cold snap/spell"  and not to look further ahead for detail than 72 to 96 hours.


The ECM has impressive verification stats and may have this right.


 


Originally Posted by: Whether Idle 


The difference in the depth of cold is in the time scale you mention. I highlighted that there is a 500-1000hPa difference of around 10dam in places by 96hrs (and verification stats are not significantly different at that range AFAIK).


Gooner
04 December 2017 18:51:31

Shaping up for another Northerly on ECM at 216 


 


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Banbury
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Ally Pally Snowman
04 December 2017 18:53:23

That Ecm is a kick in the groin. Hopefully wrong. 


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moomin75
04 December 2017 18:57:18


That Ecm is a kick in the groin. Hopefully wrong. 


Originally Posted by: Ally Pally Snowman 

Those were the exact words I was thinking, but it's rather against the grain at the moment, so not concerned.


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Ally Pally Snowman
04 December 2017 18:59:02


Shaping up for another Northerly on ECM at 216 


 


Originally Posted by: Gooner 


 


No point putting tinsel on that turd. Horror show for coldies. Very much on its own though so hopefully for the bin.


 


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Chunky Pea
04 December 2017 19:00:28

SO anyone - What's a Murr Sausage? please? I know of A Bartlett?

Originally Posted by: tallyho_83 


Recall asking the very same thing last year! Still non the wiser. 


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The Beast from the East
04 December 2017 19:10:18

www.meteociel.fr/modeles/gefs_cartes.php?code=0&ech=336&mode=0&carte=0


This is a kind of Murr sausage, though usually skinnier. A meridonal pattern with the jet going over the top but still delivering cold to the UK


Back OT, ECM is poor, no way to spin it


 


 


 


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Arcus
04 December 2017 19:11:10


 


Recall asking the very same thing last year! Still non the wiser. 


Originally Posted by: Chunky Pea 


A narrow ridging of heights from SW to NE into Scandi that can result in a Scandi High.




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