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hairdryer
26 January 2018 14:18:37

Great post!



 


It's worth noting that the GFS evolution is rather similar in many ways to that which preceded the 2010 cold spell - which was signalled a long way out (think 10 days+) and eventually came off.


In that instance, the models showed repeated warm advection bursts heading due north, acting in effect as giant waves to mess up the jet stream. Each one made it wobble just a bit more, then bam - an amplified Rossby wave set up and brought most of the UK a remarkable cold spell.


This time around, there's also repeated northwards advection.


The first such attempt has already happened and is in the process of toppling:



There's some rippling of the jet, followed by a northwards burst on day 6: (Note: not due north this time, but enough to draw the Azores High northwards)



That also fails, but the next attempt is an even greater northwards push, on day 10:



This also topples, but in doing so draws a break-away chunk of that upper low SW'wards, which is then trapped. Like a soapy bubble blown across bathwater, the high can't go anywhere else but east - and gives us a textbook Scandi High and easterly setup.


Over on NW, they'd doubtless be going on about wave-breaking and angular momentum pepping up, but you don't need any of that jargon to see what's going on. In effect, it's just like a seesaw with a heavy rock on one end: you push once, nothing happens; push a bit harder and it wobbles, push even harder and the thing flips entirely. And once it flips, it's stuck there for a while!


The key to this is seeing what other models do with that push of heights around 240. GEM doesn't do much (it instead propels it ENE'wards, rather than NNE), whereas ECM this morning had a similar evolution to GFS.


Bear in mind this "push to the north" thing has already started - for once, this isn't entirely pie in the sky stuff, more a case of seeing if the pattern can repeat with increasing amplitude as per ECM/GFS, or whether in the end it all gets shoved away eastwards before it can make the jet kink enough...


Originally Posted by: Retron 

fairweather
26 January 2018 16:20:24


 


Bizarre comment.


Originally Posted by: picturesareme 


I wouldn't call it bizarre as it says the majority, not all of England. Most places are within 150 miles of a central England point. The extremes of England are of course often very different, Cornwall being a prime example.


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Ally Pally Snowman
26 January 2018 16:44:38

Nice looking ukmo tonight 


 


http://old.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rukm1441.html


 


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Russwirral
26 January 2018 17:03:40
No real sign of the beasterly on this 12z run, but i would say its an upgrade overall to wintry conditions of a very similar nature to whats been offered this winter.


nsrobins
26 January 2018 17:05:53

No real sign of the beasterly on this 12z run, but i would say its an upgrade overall to wintry conditions of a very similar nature to whats been offered this winter.

Originally Posted by: Russwirral 


Upgrade for some perhaps, but not for those who haven’t seen a flake yet. ‘Upgrades’ can be quite subjective. Just saying 😉


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Whether Idle
26 January 2018 17:34:15


 


Upgrade for some perhaps, but not for those who haven’t seen a flake yet. ‘Upgrades’ can be quite subjective. Just saying 😉


Originally Posted by: nsrobins 


Yes.  The deep cold easterly bubble appears to have burst on the 12z.  I daresay it could pop up again on the 18z, before popping off again, probably at around t144.


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Ally Pally Snowman
26 January 2018 17:34:38


 


Upgrade for some perhaps, but not for those who haven’t seen a flake yet. ‘Upgrades’ can be quite subjective. Just saying 😉


Originally Posted by: nsrobins 


 


Don't worry GEM is on the money tonight.  even for the snow starved south coasters. 


http://old.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rgem2401.html


 


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Robertski
26 January 2018 18:01:32


 


 


Don't worry GEM is on the money tonight.  even for the snow starved south coasters. 


http://old.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rgem2401.html


 


Originally Posted by: Ally Pally Snowman 


From an imby perspective I have seen plenty of snow and I'm in the south.....albeit around 200m.

roger63
26 January 2018 18:03:47

We are now 2/3rd through the winter of 2017/18.The pattern   so far has been very different from the mild wet windy zonal winters of the last three years,This time we have had a jet aligned more west north west to east south east.This is a tricky set up to forecast  compared to atlantic dominance as small shifts in the jet can more easily introduce colder air.If the Feb Meto forecast correct we will have a third winter with a similar jet alignment.


I think the Meto have done a pretty good job in dealing with forecasting this  tricky circulation type.Now one winter of this cooler type doesn't mean next year will be the same circulation type.However there are emerging other factors that a favour a more  blocked winter circulation.The chief one is the low solar minima due c 2020.Monthly Sunspot activity is already in single figures with another two winters to go. The last solar minimum delivered three cold winters on the trot-08/09,09/10 and 10/11 having CET's for DJF of 3.5c, 2.4c and 3.1 respectively. So 


So watch the sunspot  progress towards zero and lets hope we get  a cold winter reward again.

Ally Pally Snowman
26 January 2018 18:06:25


 


From an imby perspective I have seen plenty of snow and I'm in the south.....albeit around 200m.


Originally Posted by: Robertski 


 


Yes been decent for snow here to in Hertfordshire,  I think those south of London have been the ones to miss out. hopefully their turn soon output looks good for February. 


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doctormog
26 January 2018 18:09:37
I think things still look encouraging if you are after wintry weather in the next few weeks. Re. an easterly, even if we were seeing one consistently, past evidence suggests it means little at this range. What I would be looking for is some blocking in an area that may be conducive to cold for us as an easterly may emerge from such a scenario. In other words I think that somewhere in the box of possibilities there is still an easterly package waiting to be unwrapped. It goes without saying that it may come to nothing.

There does tend to be a consistent signal of cold from the north on one or two occasions in the coming weeks and that is enough to keep my interest until it comes into touching distance.
Hippydave
26 January 2018 18:10:12


 


Yes.  The deep cold easterly bubble appears to have burst on the 12z.  I daresay it could pop up again on the 18z, before popping off again, probably at around t144.


Originally Posted by: Whether Idle 


The signal for some kind of influence from the East is still reasonably strong from T240 for a few days at least but it seems (as is often the case) that with HP remaining strong to our west or south west the cleaner easterly solutions are dwindling.


One thing that doesn't seem to be as likely is a static HP over the UK - most of the runs now show something to our West, North or East. 


Be interesting to see where we go but as at the moment whilst a cooler than average outlook seems a decent bet, a cold Easterly spell remains a much lower possibility.


All that said P16 clearly has this nailed


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Bertwhistle
26 January 2018 18:33:59

After a few runs scheduling a several-day, sub -10C 850 flow for the S of England, it's all gone down the plughole again now.


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fairweather
26 January 2018 18:39:43


We are now 2/3rd through the winter of 2017/18.The pattern   so far has been very different from the mild wet windy zonal winters of the last three years,This time we have had a jet aligned more west north west to east south east.This is a tricky set up to forecast  compared to atlantic dominance as small shifts in the jet can more easily introduce colder air.If the Feb Meto forecast correct we will have a third winter with a similar jet alignment.


I think the Meto have done a pretty good job in dealing with forecasting this  tricky circulation type.Now one winter of this cooler type doesn't mean next year will be the same circulation type.However there are emerging other factors that a favour a more  blocked winter circulation.The chief one is the low solar minima due c 2020.Monthly Sunspot activity is already in single figures with another two winters to go. The last solar minimum delivered three cold winters on the trot-08/09,09/10 and 10/11 having CET's for DJF of 3.5c, 2.4c and 3.1 respectively. So 


So watch the sunspot  progress towards zero and lets hope we get  a cold winter reward again.


Originally Posted by: roger63 


So - ultra FI then 


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doctormog
26 January 2018 18:45:42


 


So - ultra FI then 


Originally Posted by: fairweather 


Nailed on easterly 


http://modeles.meteociel.fr/modeles/cfs/run/cfs-0-6294.png 


Chiltern Blizzard
26 January 2018 18:48:51


After a few runs scheduling a several-day, sub -10C 850 flow for the S of England, it's all gone down the plughole again now.


Originally Posted by: Bertwhistle 


Hardly... the op may not be showing a full blown easterly but it’s still cold to very cold with high pressure to our north-east advecting very cold air westwards.... a couple of minor adjustments and you’d have your easterly.


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Arcus
26 January 2018 18:59:36


After a few runs scheduling a several-day, sub -10C 850 flow for the S of England, it's all gone down the plughole again now.


Originally Posted by: Bertwhistle 


That's like seeing "Call The Midwife" on the front of Radio Times and concluding there's nowt good on TV next week. You may be right, but you can't judge from one or two Ops at that range. 


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Nr. Easingwold, North Yorkshire
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Whether Idle
26 January 2018 19:17:45


 


That's like seeing "Call The Midwife" on the front of Radio Times and concluding there's nowt good on TV next week. You may be right, but you can't judge from one or two Ops at that range. 


Originally Posted by: Arcus 


I think you will find that the JMA has grabbed the prime time slot this evening (he says clutching the nearest available straw).


http://www.meteociel.fr/modeles/jma.php?ech=192&mode=1&nh=1


 


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Gusty
26 January 2018 19:51:58

A few cold runs in FI to keep us popping back but realistically any easterly remains a 10% chance at this stage (as has been the story of winter 2017/18). Hopefully HP will settle over us rather than bring a cool showery northerly that appears the current favourite around 216-240 hours courtesy of a North Sea low.


The London snow row is back up to 70.


Bear in mind that the snow row peak of 117 a couple of weeks ago ahead of the last cool blip translated to 3 hours of sleety wet snow last Sunday in the capital.


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Deep Powder
26 January 2018 20:43:03


A few cold runs in FI to keep us popping back but realistically any easterly remains a 10% chance at this stage (as has been the story of winter 2017/18). Hopefully HP will settle over us rather than bring a cool showery northerly that appears the current favourite around 216-240 hours courtesy of a North Sea low.


The London snow row is back up to 70.


Bear in mind that the snow row peak of 117 a couple of weeks ago ahead of the last cool blip translated to 3 hours of sleety wet snow last Sunday in the capital.


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Originally Posted by: Gusty 


Yet just 18 miles from central London we had proper snow for 4 or 5 hours, that settled and gave a picturesque covering! Okay it didn't last, but it was nice whilst it was there. I remain optimistic based on the ensembles, maybe my optimism is misplaced, but hey there is still a lot of winter to go!


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Chiltern Blizzard
26 January 2018 22:35:08

18z looking very promising at t+204 for an easterly evolution!


Edit.... ok, not quite but still very cold with -10c isotherm flirting and a very large and very cold pool tantalisingly close to our north-east.


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Hippydave
26 January 2018 22:56:30

It's sort of an interesting GFS op run, if nothing else because it's basically low pressure throughout - it's not the HP dominant scenario that seemed likely a few days ago but it's also not a warm zonal type


Be interesting to see the ens later - it seems the dominant background signal of amplification in the Atlantic doesn't want to give up just yet and we end up with a cool unsettled theme but nothing properly cold (in the sense of what we need down south for a cold spell rather than marginal stuff).


 


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Stolen Snowman
26 January 2018 23:03:02


18z looking very promising at t+204 for an easterly evolution!


Edit.... ok, not quite but still very cold with -10c isotherm flirting and a very large and very cold pool tantalisingly close to our north-east.


Originally Posted by: Chiltern Blizzard 


If there’s such a thing as a finite number of recurring patterns that constantly alternate then I’m hoping we’re now in the late January 1985 edition for the time being. From last weekend up to now so far so good and if so after next weekend it should get interesting! 


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Karl Guille
26 January 2018 23:30:45
fairweather
27 January 2018 00:05:05

The Control Run - ha, ha, yeah, sure. It's having a laugh. But some sort of cold spell now looks likely for the first couple of weeks of February, either way.


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