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Caz
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23 February 2018 19:39:57

Will I make it on holiday next Thursday?  What’s the snow potential for Birmingham airport?


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Maunder Minimum
23 February 2018 19:43:36


Will I make it on holiday next Thursday?  What’s the snow potential for Birmingham airport?


Originally Posted by: Caz 


You won't know until Tuesday evening at the earliest I am afraid. I have the same problem - if I go to Denmark, will I be able to get home next Friday? I use Birmingham airport too.


New world order coming.
Ally Pally Snowman
23 February 2018 19:44:36


 


Their forecast temps have been a waste of time since the meteogroup change. I reckon they overstate by 1 to 2c atm. I feel sorry for people watching that and thinking it's going to be a bit chilly with chance of snow.


Originally Posted by: forestedge 


 


This is a real test for Meteogroup and the BBC and at the moment they don't look up to it . Don't get me wrong this is an extraordinary period of weather coming up and even the Met Office will struggle but most of the public get their weather from BBC forecasts and at the moment there really poor.


 


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Caz
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23 February 2018 19:47:09


You won't know until Tuesday evening at the earliest I am afraid. I have the same problem - if I go to Denmark, will I be able to get home next Friday? I use Birmingham airport too.


Originally Posted by: Maunder Minimum 

Thanks!  I won’t mind too much if it’s cancelled due to the most epic snow event I’ve ever seen.  But hubby might!   


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Iceman
23 February 2018 19:53:15
Awesome UKMET and ECM. And GFS very good too!
Would expect ECM to be handling the cyclogenesis late next week better but IMO, it is more likely to go further south. This is all very FI so no point in getting worked up about a possible breakdown then.
Tue/Wed according to the big 3 look very cold with disturbances in the flow. Many of us should see some snow, some of us will certainly see a lot. Enjoy!
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Arcus
23 February 2018 19:58:09

Exceptional ECM 12z Ens - Op bang on the 850 mean IMBY for just about the whole run - slight dip under on the last day of the run. Ens SD spread incredibly tight around the mean through the whole run. The mean 850 at the end of the run? -9c. Wowsers.



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Gavin D
23 February 2018 20:00:17

UKMO extended special for the north Midlands ish south


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SJV
23 February 2018 20:01:30


Exceptional ECM 12z Ens - Op bang on the 850 mean IMBY for just about the whole run - slight dip under on the last day of the run. Ens SD spread incredibly tight around the mean through the whole run. The mean 850 at the end of the run? -9c. Wowsers.



Originally Posted by: Arcus 


 Beautiful agreement 

jhall
23 February 2018 20:04:02


Exceptional ECM 12z Ens - Op bang on the 850 mean IMBY for just about the whole run - slight dip under on the last day of the run. Ens SD spread incredibly tight around the mean through the whole run. The mean 850 at the end of the run? -9c. Wowsers.



Originally Posted by: Arcus 


That's astonishingly close grouping. I wonder if it indicates that the other ensemble members are following the operational run in their development and track of that low?


Cranleigh, Surrey
AirbusBod
23 February 2018 20:05:07



UKMO extended special for the north Midlands ish south


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Originally Posted by: Gavin D 


Love the UK Pac-Man munching it’s way through the Cotswold Snow field.

bowser
23 February 2018 20:05:47


Will I make it on holiday next Thursday?  What’s the snow potential for Birmingham airport?


Originally Posted by: Caz 


im flying from there on Thursday too!

jhall
23 February 2018 20:07:07



UKMO extended special for the north Midlands ish south


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Originally Posted by: Gavin D 


Looks like it has the low further north that the ECM and closer to the GFS positioning.


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Maunder Minimum
23 February 2018 20:09:42


 


That's astonishingly close grouping. I wonder if it indicates that the other ensemble members are following the operational run in their development and track of that low?


Originally Posted by: jhall 


Stunning agreement in the ECM perturbations - even when we are in our classical zonal mode, that level of agreement is never seen. Frankly astonishing and it is hard to fathom how the clustering is so close.


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Chiltern Blizzard
23 February 2018 20:10:32


Exceptional ECM 12z Ens - Op bang on the 850 mean IMBY for just about the whole run - slight dip under on the last day of the run. Ens SD spread incredibly tight around the mean through the whole run. The mean 850 at the end of the run? -9c. Wowsers.



Originally Posted by: Arcus 


There have been many remarkable charts over the past week, but the story that one tells makes it one of the best.


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Ally Pally Snowman
23 February 2018 20:11:06

Once again the ECM means follow the Op very very good indeed . 


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Iceman
23 February 2018 20:12:21



UKMO extended special for the north Midlands ish south


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Originally Posted by: Gavin D 


Interesting that UKMET is going for a cyclonic end to the week too. So a strong signal from the Big 3. But at a range of t144 to t168 in normal winter Synoptics, we don't get good accuracy. In this very unusual setup, we should expect less accuracy than usual. It is very likely that any lows will be further south at the time.


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SEMerc
23 February 2018 20:15:42


 


Im seriously thinking there’s a conspiracy not to alarm the general public going on here. How the hell can they not see what is there in black and white. Amazing really.


Originally Posted by: nsrobins 


They're probably worried that the snowflakes wouldn't be able to cope with real snowflakes.

Quantum
23 February 2018 20:17:10


 


They're probably worried that the snowflakes wouldn't be able to cope with real snowflakes.


Originally Posted by: SEMerc 



 


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2023/2024 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):
29/11 (-6), 30/11 (-6), 02/12 (-5), 03/12 (-5), 04/12 (-3), 16/01 (-3), 18/01 (-8), 08/02 (-5)

Total: 8 days with snow/sleet falling.

2022/2023 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

18/12 (-1), 06/03 (-6), 08/03 (-8), 09/03 (-6), 10/03 (-8), 11/03 (-5), 14/03 (-6)

Total: 7 days with snow/sleet falling.

2021/2022 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

26/11 (-5), 27/11 (-7), 28/11 (-6), 02/12 (-6), 06/01 (-5), 07/01 (-6), 06/02 (-5), 19/02 (-5), 24/02 (-7), 30/03 (-7), 31/03 (-8), 01/04 (-8)
Total: 12 days with snow/sleet falling.
Caz
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23 February 2018 20:18:18


 


im flying from there on Thursday too!


Originally Posted by: bowser 

 Crikey!  And you have to drive from Aberdeen to Birmingham?  We’re only about an hour and a half away - on a good day! We’ve got an afternoon flight to Goa - all being well!  


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Arcus
23 February 2018 20:19:22


 


That's astonishingly close grouping. I wonder if it indicates that the other ensemble members are following the operational run in their development and track of that low?


Originally Posted by: jhall 


That graph only gives the standard deviation around the mean for the Ens members, so there'll be outliers in the pack not shown on that plot. But the tight grouping around the mean is amazing.


Ben,
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Arcus
23 February 2018 20:21:46

More spread on the ECM SD ens the further S you go, but notice the Op in relation to the mean. A random location in Kent:



Ben,
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Saint Snow
23 February 2018 20:22:09


im flying from there on Thursday too!


Originally Posted by: bowser 


 


Well, you *think* you're flying from there on Thursday...


 




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forestedge
23 February 2018 20:26:54


 


 


This is a real test for Meteogroup and the BBC and at the moment they don't look up to it . Don't get me wrong this is an extraordinary period of weather coming up and even the Met Office will struggle but most of the public get their weather from BBC forecasts and at the moment there really poor.


 


Originally Posted by: Ally Pally Snowman 


Some of my friends have queried the bbc app forecasts with me and I advised  them to use the Met Office app, albeit they are all computer generated.


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IanT
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23 February 2018 20:29:15


  


This is a real test for Meteogroup and the BBC and at the moment they don't look up to it . Don't get me wrong this is an extraordinary period of weather coming up and even the Met Office will struggle but most of the public get their weather from BBC forecasts and at the moment there really poor.


 


Originally Posted by: Ally Pally Snowman 


 


How do you know that? 


They are certainly different, but it is not yet possible to say that they are poor.


 


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tallyho_83
23 February 2018 20:29:52

Definitely some similarities to that of Feb 1991, esp the blocked set up: 



Uppers of -18@ 850hpa as well:



 


 


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If anything this one looks more cold and blocked esp the the east:


Control run for 28th Feb 18



 


Upper air temps:



 


The main difference was that this blocking looks a lot greater and this Feb's easterly looks like it will retrogress towards Greenland, so we have a much more extensive blocking feature unlike in 1991 where heights were lower around Greenland/Iceland!? The problem is that it's later in the season by a few weeks!?


It is fair to say this is a lot more blocked and the winds are coming from further east this time from the east of Urals!?: - What would you say? Here with northern hemisphere view:


 


28 Feb 2018



 


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