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Saint Snow
05 August 2013 18:52:47

What a pathetic way to retain the Ashes - on our knees, praying for rain, after our batsmen let their mental frailties put us in a position we should never find ourselves in against this very ordinary Australian side, and this coming after an abject showing by our supposedly world class bowling attack in the convict first innings.


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05 August 2013 19:01:44

What a pathetic way to retain the Ashes - on our knees, praying for rain, after our batsmen let their mental frailties put us in a position we should never find ourselves in against this very ordinary Australian side, and this coming after an abject showing by our supposedly world class bowling attack in the convict first innings.


shameful performance

Originally Posted by: Saint Snow 



Bollox. 😉

They won a good toss and also had the best of the conditions. Had we won the toss I have no doubt it would be 3-0 now.

There were some dodgy performances with the bat - on both sides - but overall we weren't far off the pace on a crap test wicket where winning the toss was always going to be a huge bonus on a dry, sunny day and a wicket like concrete.

What I'm trying to say is I disagree with you 😎

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David M Porter
05 August 2013 19:04:17


What a pathetic way to retain the Ashes - on our knees, praying for rain, after our batsmen let their mental frailties put us in a position we should never find ourselves in against this very ordinary Australian side, and this coming after an abject showing by our supposedly world class bowling attack in the convict first innings.


shameful performance


Originally Posted by: Saint Snow 


Given the way England really rammed home their superiority when winning the 2nd test a couple of weeks back, I imagine there are many out there who would have thought or expected the 3rd test to be rather easier going than it was. The main difference for me in this was compared to previously was that the convicts' batsmen performed a whole lot better than in the first two tests, especially the 2nd, hence the score of 527 runs they scored in their first innings. I don't think they got anywhere near that in either the 1st or 2nd tests.

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Jim_AFCB
05 August 2013 19:07:19

To any whingeing Aussies... it should be remembered that rain saved them from defeat at OT in 2005!


 


Hopefully this was our one poor match of the series which we got away with this time. So.. the Ashes retained, but we will face a hell of a fight to hold onto them this winter, as Aussies continue to improve and play on Aussie-prepared wickets.


 


Onto Durham.. I'd change Bresnan for Onions, otherwise unchanged.


 

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05 August 2013 19:08:34

To any whingeing Aussies... it should be remembered that rain saved them from defeat at OT in 2005!


 


Hopefully this was our one poor match of the series which we got away with this time. So.. the Ashes retained, but we will face a hell of a fight to hold onto them this winter, as Aussies continue to improve and play on Aussie-prepared wickets.


 


Onto Durham.. I'd change Bresnan for Onions, otherwise unchanged.


 

Originally Posted by: Jim_AFCB 



Onions for Bresnan is a certainty. They were talking about this on TMS earlier.
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KevBrads1
05 August 2013 19:42:05

What a pathetic way to retain the Ashes - on our knees, praying for rain, after our batsmen let their mental frailties put us in a position we should never find ourselves in against this very ordinary Australian side, and this coming after an abject showing by our supposedly world class bowling attack in the convict first innings.


shameful performance

Originally Posted by: Saint Snow 



It wasn't the best way but is that England's fault that it rained? I remember back in 2005, when we were cheering overs lost at the Oval to the weather,. Was that pathetic way after waiting 18 years to regain the Ashes?

As for shameful performance? It was nowt compared to Headingley in 2009 and Perth 2010. Now they were shameful performances.
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NickR
05 August 2013 19:44:46


What a pathetic way to retain the Ashes - on our knees, praying for rain, after our batsmen let their mental frailties put us in a position we should never find ourselves in against this very ordinary Australian side, and this coming after an abject showing by our supposedly world class bowling attack in the convict first innings.


shameful performance


Originally Posted by: KevBrads1 



It wasn't the best way but is that England's fault that it rained? I remember back in 2005, when we were cheering overs lost at the Oval to the weather,. Was that pathetic way after waiting 18 years to regain the Ashes?

As for shameful performance? It was nowt compared to Headingley in 2009 and Perth 2010. Now they were shameful performances.

Originally Posted by: Saint Snow 


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05 August 2013 19:52:00

What a pathetic way to retain the Ashes - on our knees, praying for rain, after our batsmen let their mental frailties put us in a position we should never find ourselves in against this very ordinary Australian side, and this coming after an abject showing by our supposedly world class bowling attack in the convict first innings.


shameful performance

Originally Posted by: Matty H 



Bollox. 😉

They won a good toss and also had the best of the conditions. Had we won the toss I have no doubt it would be 3-0 now.

There were some dodgy performances with the bat - on both sides - but overall we weren't far off the pace on a crap test wicket where winning the toss was always going to be a huge bonus on a dry, sunny day and a wicket like concrete.

What I'm trying to say is I disagree with you 😎

The convicts are sick as dogs now. That's a result as far as I'm concerned 👍

Originally Posted by: Saint Snow 



I thought it was a good test wicket. We'd have got the full five days with all possible results on the cards had the tulipweather not intervened. It played like a road for the first few days, but a decent test wicket usually does.
bowser
05 August 2013 19:55:46

Why not finish it tomorrow? Or is it illegal to play cricket on a Tuesday?


Winning a high profile sporting international series because it's raining is, well, not very sporty.

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IMO, I'd have a reserve day for any lost time due to weather or at least to regain as much lost time as possible. Timeless tests would be a boreathon. Imagine watching Trott and cook for days on end?
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05 August 2013 20:00:02
I think it would have stayed pretty much like a road from beginning to end. We only really lost a day and yet up to 4 days we never saw the ball do anything untoward for the seamers. The very odd one or two that kept low.

It was a superb wicket if you're a batsmen on day one. It's always going to be more difficult chasing a big total, and I thought we did a decent effort. I'd like to see a bit more offered for the seam bowler. The wicket was so hard and smooth that it didn't even give much in the way of reverse swing
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NickR
05 August 2013 20:05:17

I think it would have stayed pretty much like a road from beginning to end. We only really lost a day and yet up to 4 days we never saw the ball do anything untoward for the seamers. The very odd one or two that kept low.

It was a superb wicket if you're a batsmen on day one. It's always going to be more difficult chasing a big total, and I thought we did a decent effort. I'd like to see a bit more offered for the seam bowler. The wicket was so hard and smooth that it didn't even give much in the way of reverse swing

Originally Posted by: Matty H 


Durham will be more lively! Always is. Onions is a must. 


If the weather even semi holds, then Durham should produce a result... just a shame I'll be in France and miss the lot!

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05 August 2013 20:07:45

I think it would have stayed pretty much like a road from beginning to end. We only really lost a day and yet up to 4 days we never saw the ball do anything untoward for the seamers. The very odd one or two that kept low.

It was a superb wicket if you're a batsmen on day one. It's always going to be more difficult chasing a big total, and I thought we did a decent effort. I'd like to see a bit more offered for the seam bowler. The wicket was so hard and smooth that it didn't even give much in the way of reverse swing

Originally Posted by: NickR 


Durham will be more lively! Always is. Onions is a must. 


If the weather even semi holds, then Durham should produce a result... just a shame I'll be in France and miss the lot!

Originally Posted by: Matty H 



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At the moment it's looking decent for the first couple of days.
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Gandalf The White
05 August 2013 20:09:06

Out top order batting hasn't been great, you guys will hammer me for this but Cook has to step down as captain, if we don't watch us lose the Ashes in the Winter

Originally Posted by: Gooner 

I know you have that opinion but I think you're about as wrong as its possible to be. I don't see what he's done wrong, either as captain or batsman? The first question you have to answer is who would you appoint as captain? It has to be someone capable of holding down his place in the side and with captaincy experience. I cannot think of anyone not in the side who could come in as captain and there's nobody in the team who stands out. Peterson has been tried and it didn't work. The key point is that the selectors have - rightly - adopted a policy of long-term planning and continuity. That means Cook stays as captain, it also means Root stays as opener. If (big IF) England lose today it will be down to poor batting and better cricket by Australia over 5 days and not down to anything related to captaincy.

Originally Posted by: Gandalf The White 


Well that really is a standard


Doesn't Cook have a say in the selection???? Why pick KP ??


 


Sorry but I just don't see him as being assertive enough

Originally Posted by: Gooner 



Why pick KP. LOL, did you miss his century in the first innings? Without which we would have followed on and in all probability lost the match....

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bowser
05 August 2013 20:24:19

I think it would have stayed pretty much like a road from beginning to end. We only really lost a day and yet up to 4 days we never saw the ball do anything untoward for the seamers. The very odd one or two that kept low.

It was a superb wicket if you're a batsmen on day one. It's always going to be more difficult chasing a big total, and I thought we did a decent effort. I'd like to see a bit more offered for the seam bowler. The wicket was so hard and smooth that it didn't even give much in the way of reverse swing

Originally Posted by: Matty H 



I thought there was something in it for the bowlers, but only after day two, but I also think that English seam bowlers struggle when it doesn't swing (heavy reliance on Anderson). Plus, the wicket took some turn.

The wicket doesn't really need to do anything crazy. As long as there is something in it for the bowlers - I actually think in this test at least, the Aussies bowled quite a bit better than the English seamers and we'd have been looking at every possibility of a result either way had we got 5 fullish days = a satisfactory wicket in my book.
Gandalf The White
05 August 2013 21:13:17

I think it would have stayed pretty much like a road from beginning to end. We only really lost a day and yet up to 4 days we never saw the ball do anything untoward for the seamers. The very odd one or two that kept low.

It was a superb wicket if you're a batsmen on day one. It's always going to be more difficult chasing a big total, and I thought we did a decent effort. I'd like to see a bit more offered for the seam bowler. The wicket was so hard and smooth that it didn't even give much in the way of reverse swing

Originally Posted by: bowser 



I thought there was something in it for the bowlers, but only after day two, but I also think that English seam bowlers struggle when it doesn't swing (heavy reliance on Anderson). Plus, the wicket took some turn.

The wicket doesn't really need to do anything crazy. As long as there is something in it for the bowlers - I actually think in this test at least, the Aussies bowled quite a bit better than the English seamers and we'd have been looking at every possibility of a result either way had we got 5 fullish days = a satisfactory wicket in my book.

Originally Posted by: Matty H 



Yes, I agree with that. I think credit is due to the groundsman, despite some overly critical comments by one or two commentators on Day 1. To be honest it was about as good a track for a five day match as you could want - as you say, good for batting on the first 2-3 days, maybe a tad too much spin too early, but that's being picky. As you say, the Aussie seamers did a much better job than their English equivalents.

Durham should be a different kettle of fish. Decent chance that Onions could replace Bresnan if the selectors think it will swing about, which it might.
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SydneyonTees
06 August 2013 05:44:22

It was an outstanding wicket to win the toss on, often it doesn't make all that much difference who wins the toss but that was was a massive win for the Aussies, they still had to go out there and knock the runs up, which they did very well.


Jimmy didn't look happy at Old Trafford, his body language was all wrong and looked like he would rather be anywhere else at times. It is a shame he isn't going to get more of a rest up. Siddle is impressing me, a proper little battler who plugs away non stop, the kind of bowler a captain loves to go to, I suspect he will enjoy Chester le Dump.


I guess it will be a real big deal for a lesser / smaller county like Durham to host an ashes test, hope it lives up to expectations. Should be plenty for the bowlers and a result should occur.


 

NickR
06 August 2013 07:16:03


It was an outstanding wicket to win the toss on, often it doesn't make all that much difference who wins the toss but that was was a massive win for the Aussies, they still had to go out there and knock the runs up, which they did very well.


Jimmy didn't look happy at Old Trafford, his body language was all wrong and looked like he would rather be anywhere else at times. It is a shame he isn't going to get more of a rest up. Siddle is impressing me, a proper little battler who plugs away non stop, the kind of bowler a captain loves to go to, I suspect he will enjoy Chester le Dump.


I guess it will be a real big deal for a lesser / smaller county like Durham to host an ashes test, hope it lives up to expectations. Should be plenty for the bowlers and a result should occur.


 


Originally Posted by: SydneyonTees 



We did win the County Championship in 2008 and 2009.

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06 August 2013 07:22:07



It was an outstanding wicket to win the toss on, often it doesn't make all that much difference who wins the toss but that was was a massive win for the Aussies, they still had to go out there and knock the runs up, which they did very well.


Jimmy didn't look happy at Old Trafford, his body language was all wrong and looked like he would rather be anywhere else at times. It is a shame he isn't going to get more of a rest up. Siddle is impressing me, a proper little battler who plugs away non stop, the kind of bowler a captain loves to go to, I suspect he will enjoy Chester le Dump.


I guess it will be a real big deal for a lesser / smaller county like Durham to host an ashes test, hope it lives up to expectations. Should be plenty for the bowlers and a result should occur.


 


Originally Posted by: NickR 



We did win the County Championship in 2008 and 2009.


Originally Posted by: SydneyonTees 


Haha.... I know what he is getting at, but still. They've progressed well in the short time they have been a first class county, but I think they are lacking in depth since the heady days in 2008/2009. Quite a few back-up players ahve left to other counties to get regular cricket - with some success.

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06 August 2013 08:24:12




It was an outstanding wicket to win the toss on, often it doesn't make all that much difference who wins the toss but that was was a massive win for the Aussies, they still had to go out there and knock the runs up, which they did very well.


Jimmy didn't look happy at Old Trafford, his body language was all wrong and looked like he would rather be anywhere else at times. It is a shame he isn't going to get more of a rest up. Siddle is impressing me, a proper little battler who plugs away non stop, the kind of bowler a captain loves to go to, I suspect he will enjoy Chester le Dump.


I guess it will be a real big deal for a lesser / smaller county like Durham to host an ashes test, hope it lives up to expectations. Should be plenty for the bowlers and a result should occur.


 


Originally Posted by: bowser 



We did win the County Championship in 2008 and 2009.


Originally Posted by: NickR 


Haha.... I know what he is getting at, but still. They've progressed well in the short time they have been a first class county, but I think they are lacking in depth since the heady days in 2008/2009. Quite a few back-up players ahve left to other counties to get regular cricket - with some success.


Originally Posted by: SydneyonTees 


Not sure about that. They came close in 2011 and were looking good this year until the result the other day against Middlesex. I agree that without the likes of Chanderpaul and Harmison we've lost a bit, but, having watched some T20 matches of theirs, it must be said that competition for 4-day places is strong and many good players aren't making it (which may explain why they left... though surely this goes against the idea that we lack depth?). The stalwarts are still there - Onions, Mustard, Benks (to an extent)... and players such as Borthwick and Rushworth are having very good seasons.


And Stokes is the future.

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06 August 2013 08:49:13





It was an outstanding wicket to win the toss on, often it doesn't make all that much difference who wins the toss but that was was a massive win for the Aussies, they still had to go out there and knock the runs up, which they did very well.


Jimmy didn't look happy at Old Trafford, his body language was all wrong and looked like he would rather be anywhere else at times. It is a shame he isn't going to get more of a rest up. Siddle is impressing me, a proper little battler who plugs away non stop, the kind of bowler a captain loves to go to, I suspect he will enjoy Chester le Dump.


I guess it will be a real big deal for a lesser / smaller county like Durham to host an ashes test, hope it lives up to expectations. Should be plenty for the bowlers and a result should occur.


 


Originally Posted by: NickR 



We did win the County Championship in 2008 and 2009.


Originally Posted by: bowser 


Haha.... I know what he is getting at, but still. They've progressed well in the short time they have been a first class county, but I think they are lacking in depth since the heady days in 2008/2009. Quite a few back-up players ahve left to other counties to get regular cricket - with some success.


Originally Posted by: NickR 


Not sure about that. They came close in 2011 and were looking good this year until the result the other day against Middlesex. I agree that without the likes of Chanderpaul and Harmison we've lost a bit, but, having watched some T20 matches of theirs, it must be said that competition for 4-day places is strong and many good players aren't making it (which may explain why they left... though surely this goes against the idea that we lack depth?). The stalwarts are still there - Onions, Mustard, Benks (to an extent)... and players such as Borthwick and Rushworth are having very good seasons.


And Stokes is the future.


Originally Posted by: SydneyonTees 


Coetzer, B. Harmison, Claydon, Plunkett and Davies - all guys who were more than capable in stepping up for injuries, international call ups etc. gone elsewhere. I think too many have left at the same time  - looking at the squad, there are quite a few seasoned pro's coming to end of their careers and some exciting younger players coming through, but a bit threadbare in between. IMO, we'll see them struggle more next year, especially if a couple of the older guys retire.


Only Stokes is really pushing for international honours, so they have the luxury of playing quite a stable side.

SEMerc
07 August 2013 10:24:28

LOL, the shi t is about to hit the fan over allegations of cheating


As Pietersen has said on Twatter account, why cheat, given had he cheated it wouldn't have saved him from an LBW. 


 


http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/cricket/23598798


 

Brian Gaze
07 August 2013 10:29:51

Ashes degenerating into farce:


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/cricket/international/theashes/10226690/Ashes-2013-Kevin-Pietersen-denies-Australian-reports-he-may-have-used-silicone-tape-to-deceive-Hot-Spot.html

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Essan
07 August 2013 10:30:25


LOL, the shi t is about to hit the fan over allegations of cheating


As Pietersen has said on Twatter account, why cheat, given had he cheated it wouldn't have saved him from an LBW. 


 


http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/cricket/23598798


 


Originally Posted by: SEMerc 



Indeed, the claims are nonsensical - and the inventor of HotSpot has already explained that it may not always be correct in some circumstances.   Sounds like players on both sides are pretty peeved.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/cricket/9015005/Australia-England-in-DRS-cheating-claims

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07 August 2013 10:41:57



LOL, the shi t is about to hit the fan over allegations of cheating


As Pietersen has said on Twatter account, why cheat, given had he cheated it wouldn't have saved him from an LBW. 


http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/cricket/23598798


Originally Posted by: Essan 



Indeed, the claims are nonsensical - and the inventor of HotSpot has already explained that it may not always be correct in some circumstances.   Sounds like players on both sides are pretty peeved.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/cricket/9015005/Australia-England-in-DRS-cheating-claims


Originally Posted by: SEMerc 


An edge which leads to an LBW being overturned and a batsman declared in is far more likely to be from the inside edge rather than the outside, whereas an edge leading to a catch and the batsman declared out is far more likely to be from the outside edge rather than the inside edge. Therefore, it would not be impossible that someone could use some form of masking substance on one edge of the bat but not the other. Not saying that is true here but just a thought.

bowser
07 August 2013 11:15:09




LOL, the shi t is about to hit the fan over allegations of cheating


As Pietersen has said on Twatter account, why cheat, given had he cheated it wouldn't have saved him from an LBW. 


http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/cricket/23598798


Originally Posted by: JHutch 



Indeed, the claims are nonsensical - and the inventor of HotSpot has already explained that it may not always be correct in some circumstances.   Sounds like players on both sides are pretty peeved.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/cricket/9015005/Australia-England-in-DRS-cheating-claims


Originally Posted by: Essan 


An edge which leads to an LBW being overturned and a batsman declared in is far more likely to be from the inside edge rather than the outside, whereas an edge leading to a catch and the batsman declared out is far more likely to be from the outside edge rather than the inside edge. Therefore, it would not be impossible that someone could use some form of masking substance on one edge of the bat but not the other. Not saying that is true here but just a thought.


Originally Posted by: SEMerc 


Precisely the same thoughts I had. Players are spoiling it for themselves by gaming the system, assuming its true.

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