(Harwood is about 450m, so high but not really mountain territory!)

I'm sorry but most of the UK's population don't live up hills or mountains.

btw I see the Daily Mail have a side story today on how couples argue at least 3 times a week over the heating!

If you did the same to this forum, it would be mostly blank . . .

With respect, if you prefer to be geo-centric then Netweather have dedicated threads based on regions. That way you can moan about your own area without having to consider what's going on in the rest of the country.

For what it's worth, I am interested in the weather - regional, national and global - so don't see a problem talking about it regardless of who lives where.

Getting intrested now:

UK Outlook for Tuesday 19 Nov 2013 to Thursday 28 Nov 2013:

Frequent showers in the north will spread south through Tuesday, and continue into the middle of week one. These showers will be a wintry combination of rain, sleet and snow, giving locally significant snow accumulations over higher ground, and perhaps locally to lower levels in the north. There is a risk these showers could merge into longer spells of rain, sleet or snow, especially in the west, and later the south. Cold, with more widespread overnight frosts likely, although becoming less cold later. The best of any drier, more settled weather in central and eastern areas. Showers gradually dying out during Thursday of week one. Thereafter generally becoming drier especially across the north and west, with variable cloud and scattered showers elsewhere. Windy at first, gradually becoming lighter.

As I said, MOST OF THE UK'S POPULATION DON'T LIVE UP HILLS OR MOUNTAINS. That is not just Kent, is it?

And this is not just hills or mountains either!

Well, I live in one of the biggest population centers in the UK and I fully expect to see snow from what is currently forecast.

Indeed Rob.

Matt if you haven't got anything sensible to post don't bother, we need this thread kept as 'junk' free as possible in the winter - and that is hard enough.

Transient stuff maybe but unless I'm missing anything I don't see much to be excited about, and I am not just talking about my area as some have assumed and decided to have a pop at me for.

All I've said is that I don't see much away froom high ground or the low ground of Scotland. Not my fault people have wrongly accused me of focusing only on my own area.

All I can see is a pretty standard mid/late November spell of weather. I'm sorry if people don't like my take on things but I don't see why I should be vilified for expressing my opinion in a reasonable way.

No need to shout. I might be old but my ears still work

To significant credit this forum has avoided going the route of regional discussion, largely I feel because of the common sense shown by the vast majority of members here. Yes there are occasional differences (have a look in Up In Arms for instance), but whilst we are still one nation I would like to hear about and comment on the weather over the entire nation, which in case your geography is lacking does not exclude hills, mountains, lakes, cities, coasts, islands, forests or indeed Sunderland.

Why should we not comment or debate the possibilities for anywhere in the UK and Ireland, regardless of the chances of snow on our shed?

Matt I don't want you to feel that way as I know you contribute a lot to this site.
What has generated comment is the rather sarcastic tone of your post 'Low levels of Scotland too?', which implies that you feel the SE will not see any wintry ppn next week and therefore it comes across as why should we bother as it's just Scotland?
I'm sure you didn't mean it like that -  perhaps you could expalin your reasoning?

Not saying you shouldn't discuss it. I just don't see it being anything particularly significant with most snowfall being for areas that normally would expect snowfall at this time anyway. Doesn't mean its not worth discussing of course. I just don't get some of the great excitement being shown unless I am missing something in the model output (?)

It was more that the lucky buggers in Scotland almost always get snow around now anyway

To be honest, I'm partly panicking because on my page I told people that any significant snow will likely be across high ground, mianly in the north and perhaps to some low levels in the north at times, mainly Scotland yet I see others getting excited about the prospect of something more widespread and its got me wondering if I'm missing something

He wasn'y specifically talking about Scotalnd mentioned many parts of the NW

NWP taken a few days ago would support your forecast, but there's been a definite shift towards not only colder for a time but with precipiation in the mix too.
Even at this early stage given the right set-up, evap cooling supressed air temps can easily provide a wet snow event even for lowland England.

The cold spell/snap showing it's hand on the 5 dayers in Scotland:

Aviemore:

http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/public/weather/forecast/aviemore-highland#?tab=fiveDay

Outlook for Sunday to Tuesday:

Sunday, scattered showers in the north. Cloudy elsewhere with outbreaks of rain, clearing Monday. Becoming colder across all areas from Monday, with showers, turning increasingly wintry in north and west.

Issued at: 0400 on Fri 15 Nov 2013

Matt Taylor has produced this masterpiece on the BBC weather website.

Really well explained for laymans and one of the better presentations I've seen.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/weather/features/24954812

MET OFFICE UPDATE 12.10 HRS

UK Outlook for Tuesday 19 Nov 2013 to Thursday 28 Nov 2013:

Frequent showers in the north will spread south through Tuesday, and continue into the middle of week one. These showers will be a wintry combination of rain, sleet and snow, giving locally significant snow accumulations over higher ground, and perhaps locally to lower levels in the north. There is a risk these showers could merge into longer spells of rain, sleet or snow, especially in the west, and later the south. Cold, with more widespread overnight frosts likely, although becoming less cold later. The best of any drier, more settled weather in central and eastern areas. Showers gradually dying out during Thursday of week one. Thereafter generally becoming drier especially across the north and west, with variable cloud and scattered showers elsewhere. Windy at first, gradually becoming lighter.

Updated: 1210 on Thu 14 Nov 2013