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radiohead
24 October 2013 13:51:57
Osprey
24 October 2013 14:40:43


For those of you interested in observing and tracking the potential Atlantic storm system over the weekend, here's an excellent guide on rapid cyclogenesis - bombs, baroclinic leafs and sting jets - from Bren Jones (some of you may remember when he was a regular member here).

http://www.eots.co.uk/reports/bomb/bomb03.htm


Originally Posted by: nsrobins 


Hope you don't mind  if I bung this in about


Explosive Cyclogenesis  weather bomb, meteorological bomb, explosive development, or bombogenesis.


(I like the last one Hey amigo!)


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bomb_%28meteorology%29


Nobody likes a smartass, especially another smartass...
If it ain't broke, don't fix it!
Matty H
24 October 2013 14:54:30
More bollox from the media. Sky News this time, who should know better:


A storm is classed as a hurricane when it has sustained winds of 74mph or higher


Gooner
24 October 2013 14:58:12

More bollox from the media. Sky News this time, who should know better:


A storm is classed as a hurricane when it has sustained winds of 74mph or higher

Originally Posted by: Matty H 



I thought 74mph was the wind speed that a storm is started to be classed as a hurricane?


Remember anything after T120 is really Just For Fun



Marcus
Banbury
North Oxfordshire
378 feet A S L


radiohead
24 October 2013 15:03:57


More bollox from the media. Sky News this time, who should know better:


A storm is classed as a hurricane when it has sustained winds of 74mph or higher

Originally Posted by: Gooner 

Originally Posted by: Matty H 



I thought 74mph was the wind speed that a storm is started to be classed as a hurricane?



 


Yes, only in the tropics though!

Matty H
24 October 2013 15:04:39

More bollox from the media. Sky News this time, who should know better:


A storm is classed as a hurricane when it has sustained winds of 74mph or higher

Originally Posted by: Gooner 

Originally Posted by: Matty H 



I thought 74mph was the wind speed that a storm is started to be classed as a hurricane?



Well you're wrong. It also has to have tropical air entrained. It may seem pedantic to you, but a hurricane is technically impossible at this latitude.
idj20
24 October 2013 15:39:48

Is it wishful thinking on my part in that the latest updates are showing a slight downgrade on it all - at least for now? I do think it'll become windy and squally on that Monday morning but hopefully doesn't look like attaining damaging storm force status.

Of course, it is still all a long way off as there will be further fine tunings on the model parts. I'd probably see the charts showing a more scary looking output in the next run.


Folkestone Harbour. 
Gooner
24 October 2013 15:58:58


More bollox from the media. Sky News this time, who should know better:


A storm is classed as a hurricane when it has sustained winds of 74mph or higher

Originally Posted by: Matty H 

Originally Posted by: Gooner 



I thought 74mph was the wind speed that a storm is started to be classed as a hurricane?


Originally Posted by: Matty H 



Well you're wrong. It also has to have tropical air entrained. It may seem pedantic to you, but a hurricane is technically impossible at this latitude.


It is


Remember anything after T120 is really Just For Fun



Marcus
Banbury
North Oxfordshire
378 feet A S L


idj20
24 October 2013 16:06:14



More bollox from the media. Sky News this time, who should know better:


A storm is classed as a hurricane when it has sustained winds of 74mph or higher

Originally Posted by: Gooner 

Originally Posted by: Matty H 



I thought 74mph was the wind speed that a storm is started to be classed as a hurricane?


Originally Posted by: Gooner 



Well you're wrong. It also has to have tropical air entrained. It may seem pedantic to you, but a hurricane is technically impossible at this latitude.

Originally Posted by: Matty H 


It is




I think at that speed, it then get to be classed as being Force 12 hurricane STRENGTH on the Beaufort Scale here at the mid-latitude. Doesn't mean it is being caused by a hurricane.


Folkestone Harbour. 
Gandalf The White
24 October 2013 16:06:35



More bollox from the media. Sky News this time, who should know better:


A storm is classed as a hurricane when it has sustained winds of 74mph or higher

Originally Posted by: radiohead 

Originally Posted by: Gooner 



I thought 74mph was the wind speed that a storm is started to be classed as a hurricane?


Originally Posted by: Matty H 


 


Yes, only in the tropics though!



So it wasn't a hurricane that hit New York last autumn?


I think we may be getting into semantics and missing the point, don't you?  If I get 74mph winds here the last thing on my mind will be the official definition, I can assure you...  I'll be too busy watching my fence panels disappearing downwind....



Location: South Cambridgeshire
130 metres ASL
52.0N 0.1E


Matty H
24 October 2013 16:24:44



More bollox from the media. Sky News this time, who should know better:


A storm is classed as a hurricane when it has sustained winds of 74mph or higher

Originally Posted by: Gandalf The White 

Originally Posted by: radiohead 



I thought 74mph was the wind speed that a storm is started to be classed as a hurricane?


Originally Posted by: Gooner 


 


Yes, only in the tropics though!


Originally Posted by: Matty H 


So it wasn't a hurricane that hit New York last autumn?


I think we may be getting into semantics and missing the point, don't you?  If I get 74mph winds here the last thing on my mind will be the official definition, I can assure you...  I'll be too busy watching my fence panels disappearing downwind....




Retron had a paddy back in the spring about not referring to things correctly. Here's the post:


You are wrong.

This is a weather forum and we should all be using correct terms (this is the model output thread after all, not the "hey, here's how it feels to me" thread). In the context of this discussion (about the first week of June) 21C is not "warm", it's average - if you call average "warm", then you end up with the silly stuff that you get on the Beeb in winter (when 8C is described as "bitterly cold").

There's no excuse for not using the correct terminology





It is now my quest to make semantics my goal. Long live Retron's law.
Polar Low
24 October 2013 16:25:15

@T96


http://www.meteociel.fr/modeles/ukmo2.php?nh=0&ech=96&carte=1021


gfs 90


http://www.meteociel.fr/modeles/gfse_cartes.php?&ech=90&mode=0&carte=1


96


http://www.meteociel.fr/modeles/gfse_cartes.php?&ech=96&mode=0&carte=1


very close call gfs opp looks like the control from this morning I suspect at the mo most southern districts at most risk thou at least the energy gets a move on and out of the way quickly.

SEMerc
24 October 2013 16:25:20


More bollox from the media. Sky News this time, who should know better:


A storm is classed as a hurricane when it has sustained winds of 74mph or higher

Originally Posted by: Matty H 

Originally Posted by: Gooner 



I thought 74mph was the wind speed that a storm is started to be classed as a hurricane?


Originally Posted by: Matty H 



Well you're wrong. It also has to have tropical air entrained. It may seem pedantic to you, but a hurricane is technically impossible at this latitude.


This is statement is disputable if you look at Hurricane Debbie in 1961. It is very possible tropical air was still circulating in this sytem at the time it hit the British Isles.

Jive Buddy
24 October 2013 16:31:54

Now IDJ, this is your chance to make a TWO cartoon.....it would look something like this: Matty chasing a dirty nappy down the street, bits of baby shite flying out everywhere, wheelie bins toppling in front of him, while he shouts at passers by who are clinging for their lives to lamposts "it's still no fecking hurricane you morons, it's just got very dirty air!"



It's not over, until the fat Scandy sinks.....

Location: St. Mary Cray, S.E. London border with Kent.
Polar Low
24 October 2013 16:33:21


Now IDJ, this is your chance to make a TWO cartoon.....it would look something like this: Matty chasing a dirty nappy down the street, bits of baby shite flying out everywhere, wheelie bins toppling in front of him, while he shouts at passers by who are clinging for their lives to lamposts "it's still no fecking hurricane you morons, it's just got very dirty air!"



Originally Posted by: Jive Buddy 

idj20
24 October 2013 16:47:00



Now IDJ, this is your chance to make a TWO cartoon.....it would look something like this: Matty chasing a dirty nappy down the street, bits of baby shite flying out everywhere, wheelie bins toppling in front of him, while he shouts at passers by who are clinging for their lives to lamposts "it's still no fecking hurricane you morons, it's just got very dirty air!"



Originally Posted by: Polar Low 


Originally Posted by: Jive Buddy 



 Have to admit my drawing hand is starting to get twitchy again.


Folkestone Harbour. 
Matty H
24 October 2013 16:49:35

Now IDJ, this is your chance to make a TWO cartoon.....it would look something like this: Matty chasing a dirty nappy down the street, bits of baby shite flying out everywhere, wheelie bins toppling in front of him, while he shouts at passers by who are clinging for their lives to lamposts "it's still no fecking hurricane you morons, it's just got very dirty air!"


Originally Posted by: Jive Buddy 



You're never going to forget that one are you? 😊

That was about 9 years ago as well 😂
Polar Low
24 October 2013 16:51:23
SnowyHythe(Kent)
24 October 2013 17:14:34
Any hints of a sting jet likely to get introduced with this system? Doesn't look like there is any cold air about to get sucked into the system....Thoughts?
Polar Low
24 October 2013 17:17:51

looks nasty here for some


http://www.meteociel.fr/modeles/gfs/pression/84h.htm


http://www.meteociel.fr/modeles/gfs/pression/90h.htm


http://www.meteociel.fr/modeles/gfs/pression/96h.htm


But S Murr always says u should take ecm in that time frame have to wait and c what ecm says 2 night.


 

Gandalf The White
24 October 2013 17:27:31

Any hints of a sting jet likely to get introduced with this system? Doesn't look like there is any cold air about to get sucked into the system....Thoughts?

Originally Posted by: SnowyHythe(Kent) 



If I understand the process the cold air is dragged down from the stratosphere by the rapid descent of air behind the cold front, it doesn't need a particularly cold air mass.

Location: South Cambridgeshire
130 metres ASL
52.0N 0.1E


nsrobins
24 October 2013 17:43:04

On the subject of Hurricanes, you can not categorically have a 'hurricane' without the system being closed, typically with an eye feature and concentric banding, of tropical characteristics and over seas of no less than 26deg.
The storm that hit New York maintained tropical status until about 24 hours out whence it moved into higher latitudes, opened it's circulation and tranistioned to an ex-tropical storm of hurricane strength.


We do not experience hurricanes at this latitude. We experience plenty of systems with formerly tropical air entrained in the system, which on many occasions assists in maintaining hurricane force winds, but is definately not a hurricane.


Oh, and might I add that for completeness one should include the wheelie bin parameters when quantifying the nappy factor


Neil
Fareham, Hampshire 28m ASL (near estuary)
Stormchaser, Member TORRO
idj20
24 October 2013 17:43:39


Now IDJ, this is your chance to make a TWO cartoon.....it would look something like this: Matty chasing a dirty nappy down the street, bits of baby shite flying out everywhere, wheelie bins toppling in front of him, while he shouts at passers by who are clinging for their lives to lamposts "it's still no fecking hurricane you morons, it's just got very dirty air!"



Originally Posted by: Matty H 



You're never going to forget that one are you? Blushing

That was about 9 years ago as well LOL

Originally Posted by: Jive Buddy 




There you go, just a quick sketch . . .



 


 


Folkestone Harbour. 
Matty H
24 October 2013 17:45:31
ROFL!!! 😂
doctormog
24 October 2013 17:45:43
LOL brilliant 😂
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