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Saturday, November 30, 2013 2:20:25 PM

Thinking it will be short cold blast with most if not all snow reserved for the north and the potential for some pretty strong winds.

That's been my take on it since the potential for this cold spell first appeared and I have seen nothing that changes my thoughts. Still, it will be some days yet before the exact details and what happens thereafter are nailed.

Whether Idle
Saturday, November 30, 2013 2:38:34 PM

JFF http://www.meteociel.fr/modeles/gefs_cartes.php?code=19&ech=348&mode=0&carte=1


 


about 2 weeks away, ptb 19 from 6z


Maybe 1/100 chance?  Could be worth a bet.


 


Dover, 5m asl. Half a mile from the south coast.
Retron
Saturday, November 30, 2013 4:12:47 PM
The 12z GFS is quicker with the cold compared to the 6z - a snowy Thursday for the north?

http://images.meteociel.fr/im/1141/gfs-2-126_xwj7.png 
Leysdown, north Kent
White Meadows
Saturday, November 30, 2013 4:21:56 PM
This run has the cold looking very short lived but I have a feeling something silly will happen later in the run...,,
Whether Idle
Saturday, November 30, 2013 4:22:07 PM

http://www.meteociel.fr/modeles/gfse_cartes.php?ech=144&code=0&mode=0


GFS at 144 has lights winds over most of England, settled anticyclonic weather.


Dover, 5m asl. Half a mile from the south coast.
The Beast from the East
Saturday, November 30, 2013 4:22:45 PM

GFS says no


UKMO still says yes


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The Beast from the East
Saturday, November 30, 2013 4:25:24 PM

I suppose this just shows how hard it is to get cold weather in this country. If something can go wrong, it usually does!


 


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nsrobins
Saturday, November 30, 2013 4:29:02 PM

The GFS version of events continues to degrade the cold snap into a quick whiff with the cold air never getting into the South. GFS still wants to develop a low and push energy quickly across the Atlantic later next week, snuffling the cold blast in it's tracks.
UKMO however holds firm so the jury is still out


Neil
Fareham, Hampshire 28m ASL (near estuary)
Stormchaser, Member TORRO
Jive Buddy
Saturday, November 30, 2013 4:32:22 PM


I suppose this just shows how hard it is to get cold weather in this country. If something can go wrong, it usually does!


 


Originally Posted by: The Beast from the East 


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It's not over, until the fat Scandy sinks.....

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LA2B MeridFlowEuro09
Saturday, November 30, 2013 4:35:41 PM

Well I had a good look at 12z GFS Output and it appears that there is a Pesky Slow to move Azores High and we have A Strong PV Low well SE off Newfoundland placed at Mid NW Central-Far Side N Atlantic.

The PV and Deep Low To our North moves East to North and Central E & Mid & NE Europe- this comes off Iceland and the Arctic Plunge affects Scotland Central and N plus NE England on the Thursday, and then at same time and soon a day later it leaves UK to affect NE Europe etc. North Sea!.

The Slow Moving Western N Atlantic Low is kept just off SSW Greenland and We see this dominate there during second half of next Week- that wave arm of Jetstream then looks set to gently push our brief cold plunge of Thursday over to E and NE- it the PV Low plunges South to N NE Europe and the Azores High sits right over UK West NW side NW mainly UK not W. Europe - nearer UK.

This looms a clear idea at the current GFS solution today.

We often see this happen many times.
Climate is warming up, Scotland and N Ireland and North England still often gets some Winter frost, ice and snow, November to March, but the SE and South UK including S Central England and Wales, together with the West and North through the year, they sometimes get more rain than London and S SE England, where some longer dry fine spells without much heavy rain is seen every year.

The North Atlantic Sea often gets some much Colder Wintry conditions from November to March Months, and Mild SW and South winds tend to be more frequent over the East and SE of North Atlantic Sea, as the Azores High tends to stay in charge. 

With this warmth and heat, the Central and South UK has become mostly free of snow and frost.
Whether Idle
Saturday, November 30, 2013 4:36:50 PM

http://www.meteociel.fr/modeles/ukmo2.php?nh=0&ech=144&carte=1021


UKMO 144 is by then(Friday)  a glancing blow to the east, chilly and more settled further west with the upstram pattern looking flat.  A 2 day blast for the north looks likely with snow on hills and wintry showers, less windy cold and more settled towards the SW before frost returns under clear skies on Sunday...


 


These 144 charts are as we know subject to considerable change, so ECM will be of some interest this evening. 


We will probably have to wait til Sunday evening before getting a full grip on the extent and longevity of the cold snap.


http://www.meteociel.fr/modeles/gfse_cartes.php?&ech=228&mode=0


Into FI and GFS delivers a mild windy picture, with Atlantic air penetrating deep into  Europe.  Should it verify, the big 6 energy firms will be displeased.


Dover, 5m asl. Half a mile from the south coast.
Gooner
Saturday, November 30, 2013 4:58:26 PM


http://www.meteociel.fr/modeles/ukmo2.php?nh=0&ech=144&carte=1021


UKMO 144 is by then(Friday)  a glancing blow to the east, chilly and more settled further west with the upstram pattern looking flat.  A 2 day blast for the north looks likely with snow on hills and wintry showers, less windy cold and more settled towards the SW before frost returns under clear skies on Sunday...


 


These 144 charts are as we know subject to considerable change, so ECM will be of some interest this evening. 


We will probably have to wait til Sunday evening before getting a full grip on the extent and longevity of the cold snap.


http://www.meteociel.fr/modeles/gfse_cartes.php?&ech=228&mode=0


Into FI and GFS delivers a mild windy picture, with Atlantic air penetrating deep into  Europe.  Should it verify, the big 6 energy firms will be displeased.


Originally Posted by: Whether Idle 


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rtavn3361.png


Not that mild


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rtavn33617.png


Remember anything after T120 is really Just For Fun



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Banbury
North Oxfordshire
378 feet A S L


LA2B MeridFlowEuro09
Saturday, November 30, 2013 4:59:39 PM
The Azores High hangs on for UK - and a One Day Thursday Arctic Plunge moves off to affect NE Europe right into the Central mid side Europe North.

Friday UKMO the UK looks cold with frost possible for many (Early and Late).

The Azores High comes from the West and SW, and the Greenland High stays in place at 1030 millibars.

UKMO is like the GFS at 120 and 144hrs.

With same NW Atlantic Pesky Low- ready to go towards our distant N Atlantic eventually- to near SW of Iceland at 144hrs.
Climate is warming up, Scotland and N Ireland and North England still often gets some Winter frost, ice and snow, November to March, but the SE and South UK including S Central England and Wales, together with the West and North through the year, they sometimes get more rain than London and S SE England, where some longer dry fine spells without much heavy rain is seen every year.

The North Atlantic Sea often gets some much Colder Wintry conditions from November to March Months, and Mild SW and South winds tend to be more frequent over the East and SE of North Atlantic Sea, as the Azores High tends to stay in charge. 

With this warmth and heat, the Central and South UK has become mostly free of snow and frost.
Whether Idle
Saturday, November 30, 2013 5:17:51 PM


 


Not that mild


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rtavn33617.png


Originally Posted by: Gooner 


No, thats 4 days further on, and it has cooled down a tad.  All academic as it will be different on ECM and on the 18z


Dover, 5m asl. Half a mile from the south coast.
Hungry Tiger
Saturday, November 30, 2013 5:27:05 PM

This run has the cold looking very short lived but I have a feeling something silly will happen later in the run...,,


Originally Posted by: White Meadows 


Yeah, right.


http://www.jp2webdesign.co.uk/ds/gfs.htm


If you're looking for cold - don't bother clicking on this lot.


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Retron
Saturday, November 30, 2013 5:34:16 PM

The GEFS mean is useless tonight.


http://www.meteociel.com/cartes_obs/gens_display.php?x=306&y=141&run=12&ville=Londres&runpara=0&type=3&ext=0


Two clear clusters, mildish and cold... never the twain shall meet!


Leysdown, north Kent
Stormchaser
Saturday, November 30, 2013 6:23:29 PM

CET prediction time... GFS is not much help, varying the extent to which energy - and the cold air - digs south, with the 00z and 12z runs more progressive than UKMO and even further away from ECM, while the 06z was much closer to their solutions.


UKMO is showing an uncertain day 6 chart tonight, with energy sneaking over the top but not much of it, with more energy being held back as a negatively tilted trough.


I think tonight's ECM will influence my CET prediction by as much as +/- 0.5°C 




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nsrobins
Saturday, November 30, 2013 6:33:26 PM

ECM - keep the faith!


A good, old-fashioned battle of the models is on tonight. GFS pushes a low through the nascent Atlatic ridge and crashes the party.
ECM holds the ridge and allows circa -10 northerlies to flood south by the weekend.

Will the cold plunge do a Comet Ison a la GFS, or will ECM rule the roost?
Stay tuned.


Neil
Fareham, Hampshire 28m ASL (near estuary)
Stormchaser, Member TORRO
Ally Pally Snowman
Saturday, November 30, 2013 6:38:48 PM
ECM not backing down on a major northerly cold blast. Much better than the ukmo

http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Recm1442.html 
Bishop's Stortford 85m ASL.
Matty H
Saturday, November 30, 2013 6:42:36 PM

ECM - keep the faith!
A good, old-fashioned battle of the models is on tonight. GFS pushes a low through the nascent Atlatic ridge and crashes the party.
ECM holds the ridge and allows circa -10 northerlies to flood south by the weekend.

Will the cold plunge do a Comet Ison a la GFS, or will ECM rule the roost?
Stay tuned.

Originally Posted by: nsrobins 



Everytime this happened last winter the ECM won out. Naturally as soon as someone pointed that out this season and mocked anyone who still used the GFS, it battered the ECM a week ago.

What will happen this time? Well....... Haven't got a bloody clue [sn_shy]
Scandy 1050 MB
Saturday, November 30, 2013 6:44:04 PM


ECM - keep the faith!


A good, old-fashioned battle of the models is on tonight. GFS pushes a low through the nascent Atlatic ridge and crashes the party.
ECM holds the ridge and allows circa -10 northerlies to flood south by the weekend.

Will the cold plunge do a Comet Ison a la GFS, or will ECM rule the roost?
Stay tuned.


Originally Posted by: nsrobins 


Not convinced until I see GFS and GEM start to move towards ECM - we had this a little while ago where ECM was sticking to its guns for at least two days then suddenly backtracked and eventually backed GEM and GFS. UKMO was the first to go before ECM, are UKMO and ECM right or is GFS and GEM wrong? Tomorrow's evening runs may have sorted this out by then but given it's ECM bullish on a northerly and not GFS, there's a chance it might be right - as ever more runs needed.

Ally Pally Snowman
Saturday, November 30, 2013 6:51:34 PM
If that little low in Holland can get a bit closer to theUK we could have a major snow event on our hands.


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Recm1682.html 
Bishop's Stortford 85m ASL.
Ally Pally Snowman
Saturday, November 30, 2013 6:55:13 PM
Cold soon gets blasted away though but at least it's there from ECM

http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Recm2161.html 
Bishop's Stortford 85m ASL.
Matty H
Saturday, November 30, 2013 6:55:27 PM

If that little low in Holland can get a bit closer to theUK we could have a major snow event on our hands.


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Recm1682.html 

Originally Posted by: Ally Pally Snowman 



At that range it probably won't even exist come the day anyway.

My guess is some sort of northerly looks likely at this moment. It also looks like being relatively short lived. More runs needed etc
Gandalf The White
Saturday, November 30, 2013 7:18:39 PM

Cold soon gets blasted away though but at least it's there from ECM

http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Recm2161.html 

Originally Posted by: Ally Pally Snowman 



I wonder if at the surface it would be mild for at least the southern half? Anyway, it wouldn't take much of a shift north of the high to leave us with cold and foggy conditions.



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