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Quantum
04 January 2014 18:59:38




They show a change from the current stormy conditions. 


Originally Posted by: Retron 


Yes, they do. As I've said several times now.



That does not mean we're in for a very cold spell in the same way that if you eat a jely baby it does not make you a cannibal.  Colder conditions than of late look likely.   There is no reason at this stage to suppose bitter cold and snow.   


Originally Posted by: Essan 


And I've never said that we were in for a cold spell, nor has anyone else - a straw man argument if ever there was one. I've said there's a chance of a cold spell, as have the Met Office.


I think I'll bow out of here tonight as it's all gone a bit weird with some of the posts in here! See you all tomorrow, when we'll doubtless do this all over again.


And Quantum - ECM-15. You know, the one you keep ignoring for some reason!



I'm not ignoring the EPS


http://www.meteociel.fr/modeles/ecmwf/runs/2014010400/EDH1-240.GIF?04-12


240h, like I say only a slight improvement cold wise. There are some anomolously high heights to the north, and low to the south; but it is not a blocking situ. Transitional is the best possible thing you can call it AND this is the only EPS run that has gone for something more optimistic all the others have been very zonal.


 


Here is yesterday's


http://expert-images.weatheronline.co.uk/daten/proficharts/en/ecmwfens/2014/01/04/basis00/euro/pslv/14011400_0400.gif


Very similar to the NAEFS in terms of the general pattern and anomolies and anything but encouraging.


Retron, most runs circa 90% are showing mild/zonal or southern blocking by mid month. You are cherry picking the remaning 10% that are showing something significantly colder such as the ECMOP yesterday. The EPS in general are not showing N blocking consistantly and only have slightly more support for it than the GEFS/GEMS. 


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2023/2024 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):
29/11 (-6), 30/11 (-6), 02/12 (-5), 03/12 (-5), 04/12 (-3), 16/01 (-3), 18/01 (-8), 08/02 (-5)

Total: 8 days with snow/sleet falling.

2022/2023 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

18/12 (-1), 06/03 (-6), 08/03 (-8), 09/03 (-6), 10/03 (-8), 11/03 (-5), 14/03 (-6)

Total: 7 days with snow/sleet falling.

2021/2022 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

26/11 (-5), 27/11 (-7), 28/11 (-6), 02/12 (-6), 06/01 (-5), 07/01 (-6), 06/02 (-5), 19/02 (-5), 24/02 (-7), 30/03 (-7), 31/03 (-8), 01/04 (-8)
Total: 12 days with snow/sleet falling.
bledur
04 January 2014 19:06:04

interesting long range look ahead on weatherweb , generally cooler with hints of real winter weather in feb

ballamar
04 January 2014 19:07:39
ECM = cold foggy days / nights one problem for another
Phil G
04 January 2014 19:11:04
Azores HP looks like it may merge with the high to the East, but there is too much energy to the north and would have to take a long fetch easterly to get any real cold here. Still, lower pressure progged for the Med and these charts will still change quite a bit being so far out.
Runs still of interest.
http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Recm2402.gif 
David M Porter
04 January 2014 19:16:52





They show a change from the current stormy conditions. 


Originally Posted by: Quantum 


Yes, they do. As I've said several times now.



That does not mean we're in for a very cold spell in the same way that if you eat a jely baby it does not make you a cannibal.  Colder conditions than of late look likely.   There is no reason at this stage to suppose bitter cold and snow.   


Originally Posted by: Retron 


And I've never said that we were in for a cold spell, nor has anyone else - a straw man argument if ever there was one. I've said there's a chance of a cold spell, as have the Met Office.


I think I'll bow out of here tonight as it's all gone a bit weird with some of the posts in here! See you all tomorrow, when we'll doubtless do this all over again.


And Quantum - ECM-15. You know, the one you keep ignoring for some reason!


Originally Posted by: Essan 


I'm not ignoring the EPS


http://www.meteociel.fr/modeles/ecmwf/runs/2014010400/EDH1-240.GIF?04-12


240h, like I say only a slight improvement cold wise. There are some anomolously high heights to the north, and low to the south; but it is not a blocking situ. Transitional is the best possible thing you can call it AND this is the only EPS run that has gone for something more optimistic all the others have been very zonal.


 


Here is yesterday's


http://expert-images.weatheronline.co.uk/daten/proficharts/en/ecmwfens/2014/01/04/basis00/euro/pslv/14011400_0400.gif


Very similar to the NAEFS in terms of the general pattern and anomolies and anything but encouraging.


Retron, most runs circa 90% are showing mild/zonal or southern blocking by mid month. You are cherry picking the remaning 10% that are showing something significantly colder such as the ECMOP yesterday. The EPS in general are not showing N blocking consistantly and only have slightly more support for it than the GEFS/GEMS. 



I think you & Retron may just have to "agree to disagree" on this, Q.


Lenzie, Glasgow

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Scandy 1050 MB
04 January 2014 19:27:46

Azores HP looks like it may merge with the high to the East, but there is too much energy to the north and would have to take a long fetch easterly to get any real cold here. Still, lower pressure progged for the Med and these charts will still change quite a bit being so far out. Runs still of interest. Originally Posted by: Phil G 

">http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Recm2402.gif


Agree, charts changing from run to run in FI but always the theme of pressure rising - if we can just get it in the right place we might see something more akin to winter proper. Mid Jan has always been the change point and on the basis of tonight's charts still looks like that is the case, but change to what is the big question - mild and settled or cold? Nothing nailed on yet so plenty of runs yet before a solution is found.

Gusty
04 January 2014 19:38:03

Still fairly good agreement from the models that the zonal train will slow down this week in favour of some anticyclonic conditions leading to some colder nights and cooler days.


Those that prefer colder weather in winter will be pleased to see a return of some overnight frosts again. The UKMO at 144 has cold potential further down the line at face value too.


The position of where high pressure migrates to thereafter is key (as always). Most of the model output either have it sinking southwards into France or SE'wards towards Germany. ECM is still toying with more of a block to the east, looking closer however at 240hrs is evidence of the Azores High absorbing such a block at that stage...it is then probable that this will be eroded from the NW with time based on North Atlantic jet pattern behaviour and other model guidance.


In summary and based on analysis of all models and ensemble suites its fair to say that a cooler and more settled spell is on the way. Longer term there are good odds for some welcome drier and milder weather, espcially in the south. It is January and there is always the chance of a cold easterly outbreak but that risk is still very low at this stage.


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Rob K
04 January 2014 19:41:32



Once several models show similar over several runs, then we can start talking about it being something that may well happen, rather than just being one of many very different possibilities.

Originally Posted by: Essan 


All the major models show the upcoming change and have done for a few days now.

Originally Posted by: Retron 



They show a change from the current stormy conditions. That does not mean we're in for a very cold spell in the same way that if you eat a jely baby it does not make you a cannibal. Colder conditions than of late look likely. There is no reason at this stage to suppose bitter cold and snow.

Uness your name is Nathan Rao UserPostedImage

Originally Posted by: Essan 



Since when did "a change" mean the next Ice Age? Very odd posts tonight. Charts are and have been showing a major change in weather type. Nobody ever mentioned a cold spell.
Yateley, NE Hampshire, 73m asl
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squish
04 January 2014 19:52:38
http://www.cpc.ncep.noaa.gov/products/CFSv2/imagesInd3/euT2mMonInd1.gif 

These reds should start to fade and turn to blue pretty quick if any real cold is on the way this month....
D.E.W on Dartmoor. 300m asl
Essan
04 January 2014 19:55:47


And I've never said that we were in for a cold spell, nor has anyone else - a straw man argument if ever there was one. I've said there's a chance of a cold spell, as have the Met Office.


I think I'll bow out of here tonight as it's all gone a bit weird with some of the posts in here! See you all tomorrow, when we'll doubtless do this all over again.


And Quantum - ECM-15. You know, the one you keep ignoring for some reason!


Originally Posted by: Retron 



Sorry Darren, but for the past week you've been pushing any cold potential in any model ouput as being likely whilst ignoring all the other less cold scenarios.  And getting quite shirty whenever anyone says that such a scenario is not certain.

I never realised before that you were such a cold ramper.

And I do not think there'll be an ice day in London on the 14th or 15th. 


Andy
Evesham, Worcs, Albion - 35m asl
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White Meadows
04 January 2014 19:58:17
It seems some have been confusing their own lust for extreme cold with a misconception that others are forecasting that instead of just a pattern change.

There's nothing wrong with cherry picking cold (or mild for that matter) runs as long as it's taken in context.
Essan
04 January 2014 19:59:07

Once several models show similar over several runs, then we can start talking about it being something that may well happen, rather than just being one of many very different possibilities.

Originally Posted by: Rob K 

All the major models show the upcoming change and have done for a few days now.

Originally Posted by: Essan 

They show a change from the current stormy conditions. That does not mean we're in for a very cold spell in the same way that if you eat a jely baby it does not make you a cannibal. Colder conditions than of late look likely. There is no reason at this stage to suppose bitter cold and snow. Uness your name is Nathan Rao UserPostedImage

Originally Posted by: Retron 

Since when did "a change" mean the next Ice Age? Very odd posts tonight. Charts are and have been showing a major change in weather type. Nobody ever mentioned a cold spell.

Originally Posted by: Essan 



Retron did

I draw your attention to this morning's ECM-15, something which has been mentioned ad nauseum by myself today. In particular, note the near-ice day on day 10 and then also look at how many other members show ice days




Andy
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Quantum
04 January 2014 20:09:41

Actually, the ECM 240 chart does have some promising features about it; strong WAA in E canada (finally), Pv burrowing down into Europe some small height rises in scandi, siberian high. The issue I have is, this picture is not consistant yet and even if it was; it would still take several days for such a chart to transition to cold blocking, meaning that best case scenario its still late january for any want of cold. To ramp up a chart like today's ECM 240 is basically what I did in early December (cold snap at around 320 hours), but the difference is there was mush stronger inter/intra model consistency of this particular pattern.


Twitter: @QuantumOverlord (general), @MedicaneWatch (medicane/TC stuff)
2023/2024 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):
29/11 (-6), 30/11 (-6), 02/12 (-5), 03/12 (-5), 04/12 (-3), 16/01 (-3), 18/01 (-8), 08/02 (-5)

Total: 8 days with snow/sleet falling.

2022/2023 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

18/12 (-1), 06/03 (-6), 08/03 (-8), 09/03 (-6), 10/03 (-8), 11/03 (-5), 14/03 (-6)

Total: 7 days with snow/sleet falling.

2021/2022 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

26/11 (-5), 27/11 (-7), 28/11 (-6), 02/12 (-6), 06/01 (-5), 07/01 (-6), 06/02 (-5), 19/02 (-5), 24/02 (-7), 30/03 (-7), 31/03 (-8), 01/04 (-8)
Total: 12 days with snow/sleet falling.
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04 January 2014 20:29:43

Once several models show similar over several runs, then we can start talking about it being something that may well happen, rather than just being one of many very different possibilities.

Originally Posted by: Rob K 

All the major models show the upcoming change and have done for a few days now.

Originally Posted by: Essan 

They show a change from the current stormy conditions. That does not mean we're in for a very cold spell in the same way that if you eat a jely baby it does not make you a cannibal. Colder conditions than of late look likely. There is no reason at this stage to suppose bitter cold and snow. Uness your name is Nathan Rao UserPostedImage

Originally Posted by: Retron 

Since when did "a change" mean the next Ice Age? Very odd posts tonight. Charts are and have been showing a major change in weather type. Nobody ever mentioned a cold spell.

Originally Posted by: Essan 


 


Darren,


 


I hope you are not discouraged form further posts. I can see what you are hinting here and please ignore mild rampers most of whom cannot read charts as well as you and some others.


 


I am sure many posters here enjoy reading your posts and I remember very well last year how accurate your posts were at detecting cold spells early on. Well done and keep up the excellent work.


Kingston Upon Thames
John p
04 January 2014 20:37:30



Once several models show similar over several runs, then we can start talking about it being something that may well happen, rather than just being one of many very different possibilities.

Originally Posted by: Essan 


All the major models show the upcoming change and have done for a few days now.

Originally Posted by: Retron 



They show a change from the current stormy conditions. That does not mean we're in for a very cold spell in the same way that if you eat a jely baby it does not make you a cannibal. Colder conditions than of late look likely. There is no reason at this stage to suppose bitter cold and snow.

Uness your name is Nathan Rao UserPostedImage

Originally Posted by: Essan 



Stop stirring Andy, I feel twisting Darrens words has become a bit of a 'sport' for you recently.
At no point has he said we are in for a 'very cold spell'.
Subtle trolling at its worst IMO.

Camberley, Surrey
Deep Powder
04 January 2014 20:38:39

Once several models show similar over several runs, then we can start talking about it being something that may well happen, rather than just being one of many very different possibilities.

Originally Posted by: Sasa 

All the major models show the upcoming change and have done for a few days now.

Originally Posted by: Rob K 

They show a change from the current stormy conditions. That does not mean we're in for a very cold spell in the same way that if you eat a jely baby it does not make you a cannibal. Colder conditions than of late look likely. There is no reason at this stage to suppose bitter cold and snow. Uness your name is Nathan Rao UserPostedImage

Originally Posted by: Essan 

Since when did "a change" mean the next Ice Age? Very odd posts tonight. Charts are and have been showing a major change in weather type. Nobody ever mentioned a cold spell.

Originally Posted by: Retron 



Darren,

I hope you are not discouraged form further posts. I can see what you are hinting here and please ignore mild rampers most of whom cannot read charts as well as you and some others.

I am sure many posters here enjoy reading your posts and I remember very well last year how accurate your posts were at detecting cold spells early on. Well done and keep up theexcellent work.

Originally Posted by: Essan 



Have to agree with this. Darren I hope you are back tomorrow. I find your interpretations very balanced and they really help to explain things well, to those less skilled at reading the models like myself.

I have enjoyed the debate between you and others.......here's to the pattern change and what may follow after, cold, mild again or just below average......
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Polar Low
04 January 2014 20:43:18

I doubt that will put Darren off been reading his post,s for years he can look after himself his a clever bloke


and btw with very cold air just to the east anything can happen


http://www.meteociel.fr/modeles/ecmwf.php?ech=216&mode=0&map=0&type=0&archive=0


 


 



Once several models show similar over several runs, then we can start talking about it being something that may well happen, rather than just being one of many very different possibilities.

Originally Posted by: Sasa 

All the major models show the upcoming change and have done for a few days now.

Originally Posted by: Rob K 

They show a change from the current stormy conditions. That does not mean we're in for a very cold spell in the same way that if you eat a jely baby it does not make you a cannibal. Colder conditions than of late look likely. There is no reason at this stage to suppose bitter cold and snow. Uness your name is Nathan Rao UserPostedImage

Originally Posted by: Essan 

Since when did "a change" mean the next Ice Age? Very odd posts tonight. Charts are and have been showing a major change in weather type. Nobody ever mentioned a cold spell.

Originally Posted by: Retron 


 


Darren,


 


I hope you are not discouraged form further posts. I can see what you are hinting here and please ignore mild rampers most of whom cannot read charts as well as you and some others.


 


I am sure many posters here enjoy reading your posts and I remember very well last year how accurate your posts were at detecting cold spells early on. Well done and keep up the excellent work.


Originally Posted by: Essan 

David M Porter
04 January 2014 20:44:49

FWIW, my take on the current output is that the models slowly but surely seem to be picking up on a possible change in the prevailing weather type in a week or so's time. As GTW says above, what exactly that change will ultimately lead to, we don't yet know, but it does seem to be a change from the extremely unsettled and sometimes volatile pattern that had dominated proceedings since around mid-December. Even if it is merely a change to much drier though not necessarily cold weather, I don't think too many will complain loudly given what we've endured lately. As I said previously, many areas need a dry spell more than anything else at this moment in time.


Lenzie, Glasgow

"Let us not take ourselves too seriously. None of us has a monopoly on wisdom, and we must always be ready to listen and respect other points of view."- Queen Elizabeth II 1926-2022
Scandy 1050 MB
04 January 2014 20:51:09


I doubt that will put Darren off been reading his post,s for years he can look after himself his a clever bloke


and btw with very cold air just to the east anything can happen


http://www.meteociel.fr/modeles/ecmwf.php?ech=216&mode=0&map=0&type=0&archive=0


 


 



Once several models show similar over several runs, then we can start talking about it being something that may well happen, rather than just being one of many very different possibilities.

Originally Posted by: Polar Low 

All the major models show the upcoming change and have done for a few days now.

Originally Posted by: Sasa 

They show a change from the current stormy conditions. That does not mean we're in for a very cold spell in the same way that if you eat a jely baby it does not make you a cannibal. Colder conditions than of late look likely. There is no reason at this stage to suppose bitter cold and snow. Uness your name is Nathan Rao UserPostedImage

Originally Posted by: Rob K 

Since when did "a change" mean the next Ice Age? Very odd posts tonight. Charts are and have been showing a major change in weather type. Nobody ever mentioned a cold spell.

Originally Posted by: Essan 


 


Darren,


 


I hope you are not discouraged form further posts. I can see what you are hinting here and please ignore mild rampers most of whom cannot read charts as well as you and some others.


 


I am sure many posters here enjoy reading your posts and I remember very well last year how accurate your posts were at detecting cold spells early on. Well done and keep up the excellent work.


Originally Posted by: Retron 


Originally Posted by: Essan 


Agree totally, often Retron will spot something early on and when he posts normally it's because he's spotted something. Same as I appreciate all the other posters whatever their weather preference - if they spot something mild or cold that's what this forum is for; to discuss trends in the model output.


Back to topic and that ECM chart has to be the first all Winter I've seen projecting that level of cold on the continent - be a shock to the system over there as even Western Russia is above freezing currently. Tomorrow and Monday's runs could be interesting.

GIBBY
04 January 2014 20:56:24

Good evening. Here is the report on the midday outputs from GFS, UKMO, GEM, NAVGEM and ECM for today Saturday January 4th 2013 lifted from my website http://www.norton-radstockweather.co.uk/Model-Analysis(2859336).htm


All models show a brief respite from recent rains overnight as today's rain finally clears Eastern and Central parts this evening. Tomorrow then shows a freshening SW flow again ahead of troughs of Low pressure returning rain to all areas through the day, heavy at times. Winds will also become strong again with gales in exposure but less problematical than recently. Following the troughs the parent Low moves gently NE towards an area North of Scotland between Monday and Wednesday filling as it does. All areas can expect showers or further rain at times with decreasing winds and temperatures close to average.


GFS then shows the second half of next week with troughs continuing to move West to east across the UK in lighter winds than of late but with still sufficient energy to hinder any drying up of recent flood waters. Through the second week a more definitive period of dry weather develops as High pressure forms close to the NE of Britain, sinking South later. Dry and frosty weather would develop for most before a deterioration in conditions creeps down from the North through the final days of the run.


UKMO tonight shows High pressure over France with a WSW flow over the UK with troughs moving slowly East in the flow carrying some rain for all in average temperatures. the heaviest rain will be more confined towards the NW.


GEM tonight shows the unsettled embers of the recent wet period finally dying next weekend as High pressure develops over the UK with frost and fog becoming much more likely over the UK rather than wind and rain, at least for a time.


NAVGEM shows a continuation of at least some Atlantic influence into next weekend as slow moving fronts cross the UK giving rain for quite a time as they go.


ECM tonight continues this morning's theme of gradually drier and brighter conditions developing from next weekend as Low pressure gives way to High pressure shown tonight close to or over Southern Britain. No doubt frost and fog at night would be commonplace with fine and bright days to compensate in temperatures by day being close to average outside of any persistent fog patches.


The ECM 10 Day Mean Chart tonight shows Low pressure biased between the members to be most likely to be in the vicinity of Iceland and Southern Greenland and High or higher pressure equally biased towards the Azores to France and Central Europe. This would favour a clamer spell of quiet weather with light winds and these most likely from a SW direction more than anywhere else.


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Reem2401.gif


The GFS Ensembles tonight show a continuation of rather changeable conditions over the extended period with more than a hint of an Atlantic influence still though rainfall will be greatly suppressed on recent levels with less gales likely too. Temperatures continue to look very average for January due to High pressure located towards the South or SW of the UK.


The Jet Stream continues to blow West to East across the Atlantic towards Southern Britain and France for a while longer. From later next week it disrupts more with a trend to drift it further North over the Atlantic before turning SE down over or just to the East of the UK later in the run.


In Summary tonight the trend towards drier and fine weather continues as High pressure develops closer to the UK finally ending or reducing the effects of the recent monsoon like rainfall as any Low pressure troughs become much weaker or steered much further towards the North and NW of the UK. How long such an improvement lasts remains an open question but to my eyes with the Jet flow riding over the top of developing High pressure it would appear that the High pressure areas could well eventually sink away South.


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Polar Low
04 January 2014 20:58:27

looks cold to me at the surface as Peter has said even colder in any s/e feed and at least it would be a quite a bit dryer.


http://www.meteociel.fr/modeles/ecmwf.php?ech=240&mode=0&map=1&archive=0


 




I doubt that will put Darren off been reading his post,s for years he can look after himself his a clever bloke


and btw with very cold air just to the east anything can happen


http://www.meteociel.fr/modeles/ecmwf.php?ech=216&mode=0&map=0&type=0&archive=0


 


 



Once several models show similar over several runs, then we can start talking about it being something that may well happen, rather than just being one of many very different possibilities.

Originally Posted by: Scandy 1050 MB 

All the major models show the upcoming change and have done for a few days now.

Originally Posted by: Polar Low 

They show a change from the current stormy conditions. That does not mean we're in for a very cold spell in the same way that if you eat a jely baby it does not make you a cannibal. Colder conditions than of late look likely. There is no reason at this stage to suppose bitter cold and snow. Uness your name is Nathan Rao UserPostedImage

Originally Posted by: Sasa 

Since when did "a change" mean the next Ice Age? Very odd posts tonight. Charts are and have been showing a major change in weather type. Nobody ever mentioned a cold spell.

Originally Posted by: Rob K 


 


Darren,


 


I hope you are not discouraged form further posts. I can see what you are hinting here and please ignore mild rampers most of whom cannot read charts as well as you and some others.


 


I am sure many posters here enjoy reading your posts and I remember very well last year how accurate your posts were at detecting cold spells early on. Well done and keep up the excellent work.


Originally Posted by: Essan 


Originally Posted by: Retron 


Agree totally, often Retron will spot something early on and when he posts normally it's because he's spotted something. Same as I appreciate all the other posters whatever their weather preference - if they spot something mild or cold that's what this forum is for; to discuss trends in the model output.


Back to topic and that ECM chart has to be the first all Winter I've seen projecting that level of cold on the continent - be a shock to the system over there as even Western Russia is above freezing currently. Tomorrow and Monday's runs could be interesting.


Originally Posted by: Essan 

Polar Low
04 January 2014 21:12:52
haghir22
04 January 2014 21:13:06

Good evening. Here is the report on the midday outputs from GFS, UKMO, GEM, NAVGEM and ECM for today Saturday January 4th 2013 lifted from my website http://www.norton-radstockweather.co.uk/Model-Analysis(2859336).htm 
All models show a brief respite from recent rains overnight as today's rain finally clears Eastern and Central parts this evening. Tomorrow then shows a freshening SW flow again ahead of troughs of Low pressure returning rain to all areas through the day, heavy at times. Winds will also become strong again with gales in exposure but less problematical than recently. Following the troughs the parent Low moves gently NE towards an area North of Scotland between Monday and Wednesday filling as it does. All areas can expect showers or further rain at times with decreasing winds and temperatures close to average.
GFS then shows the second half of next week with troughs continuing to move West to east across the UK in lighter winds than of late but with still sufficient energy to hinder any drying up of recent flood waters. Through the second week a more definitive period of dry weather develops as High pressure forms close to the NE of Britain, sinking South later. Dry and frosty weather would develop for most before a deterioration in conditions creeps down from the North through the final days of the run.
UKMO tonight shows High pressure over France with a WSW flow over the UK with troughs moving slowly East in the flow carrying some rain for all in average temperatures. the heaviest rain will be more confined towards the NW.
GEM tonight shows the unsettled embers of the recent wet period finally dying next weekend as High pressure develops over the UK with frost and fog becoming much more likely over the UK rather than wind and rain, at least for a time.
NAVGEM shows a continuation of at least some Atlantic influence into next weekend as slow moving fronts cross the UK giving rain for quite a time as they go.
ECM tonight continues this morning's theme of gradually drier and brighter conditions developing from next weekend as Low pressure gives way to High pressure shown tonight close to or over Southern Britain. No doubt frost and fog at night would be commonplace with fine and bright days to compensate in temperatures by day being close to average outside of any persistent fog patches.
The ECM 10 Day Mean Chart tonight shows Low pressure biased between the members to be most likely to be in the vicinity of Iceland and Southern Greenland and High or higher pressure equally biased towards the Azores to France and Central Europe. This would favour a clamer spell of quiet weather with light winds and these most likely from a SW direction more than anywhere else.
http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Reem2401.gif 
The GFS Ensembles tonight show a continuation of rather changeable conditions over the extended period with more than a hint of an Atlantic influence still though rainfall will be greatly suppressed on recent levels with less gales likely too. Temperatures continue to look very average for January due to High pressure located towards the South or SW of the UK.
The Jet Stream continues to blow West to East across the Atlantic towards Southern Britain and France for a while longer. From later next week it disrupts more with a trend to drift it further North over the Atlantic before turning SE down over or just to the East of the UK later in the run.
In Summary tonight the trend towards drier and fine weather continues as High pressure develops closer to the UK finally ending or reducing the effects of the recent monsoon like rainfall as any Low pressure troughs become much weaker or steered much further towards the North and NW of the UK. How long such an improvement lasts remains an open question but to my eyes with the Jet flow riding over the top of developing High pressure it would appear that the High pressure areas could well eventually sink away South.

Originally Posted by: GIBBY 



I don't think I've ever taken the time out to thank you for these posts, but in amongst some rather odd bickering tonight, yours, as usual is an unbiased to the point conclusion.

YNWA
nsrobins
04 January 2014 21:15:24


Back to topic and that ECM chart has to be the first all Winter I've seen projecting that level of cold on the continent - be a shock to the system over there as even Western Russia is above freezing currently. Tomorrow and Monday's runs could be interesting.



Agreed and I bet the Russians are very pleased that their winter olympics will be getting some much needed snowfall and prolonged sub-zero conditions (theoretically).

As for the general mood in here, I encourage all to be sensible and keep the debate good-natured. The last thing the forum needs when the synoptics are at last showing signs of a major change is squabbles and point scoring.


Neil
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