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moomin75
22 March 2014 19:48:21



The beast lurking to the east but very late in the season. 


http://www.meteociel.fr/modeles/ecmwf/runs/2014032212/ECM0-240.GIF?22-0


Originally Posted by: David M Porter 


Which leaves one asking where was it during the last three months when many people wanted it to make an appearance!


Originally Posted by: Medlock Vale Weather 

I'm convinced that the seasons are shifting somewhat. Don't know why and it's just an instinct....But we seem to get very odd extremes in recent years, the 30 degree October, the 2C CET in March.


Maybe all these earthquakes has tilted the earth on its axis by a fraction of a degree and it's making a difference!



Witney, Oxfordshire
100m ASL
Gooner
22 March 2014 19:54:52




The beast lurking to the east but very late in the season. 


http://www.meteociel.fr/modeles/ecmwf/runs/2014032212/ECM0-240.GIF?22-0


Originally Posted by: moomin75 


Which leaves one asking where was it during the last three months when many people wanted it to make an appearance!


Originally Posted by: David M Porter 

I'm convinced that the seasons are shifting somewhat. Don't know why and it's just an instinct....But we seem to get very odd extremes in recent years, the 30 degree October, the 2C CET in March.


Maybe all these earthquakes has tilted the earth on its axis by a fraction of a degree and it's making a difference!



Originally Posted by: Medlock Vale Weather 


http://www.theweatheroutlook.com/charts/gefs/gefsens850London0.png


At the high end though


Remember anything after T120 is really Just For Fun



Marcus
Banbury
North Oxfordshire
378 feet A S L


Karl Guille
22 March 2014 22:43:26

Wouldn't take anawful lot would it!!


http://modeles.meteociel.fr/modeles/gfs/runs/2014032218/gfs-0-288.png?18


St. Sampson
Guernsey
glenogle
22 March 2014 23:18:48


 


I'm convinced that the seasons are shifting somewhat. Don't know why and it's just an instinct....But we seem to get very odd extremes in recent years, the 30 degree October, the 2C CET in March.


Maybe all these earthquakes has tilted the earth on its axis by a fraction of a degree and it's making a difference!



Originally Posted by: moomin75 


Slightly OT but in a way you are right imo.  The weather imo moves in patterns, which dont quite match the time of year, so they become long term cycles, which have different effects depending on what time of year they hit.  This will only become clear many years down the line, but even then, there will be differences due to human "impacts"


 


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The Beast from the East
23 March 2014 08:27:12

The full Monty retrogression from ECM today. Proper cold air has a much better chance of reaching us


http://www.meteociel.fr/modeles/ecmwf/runs/2014032300/ECM0-240.GIF?23-12


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doctormog
23 March 2014 08:39:05

The full Monty retrogression from ECM today. Proper cold air has a much better chance of reaching us


http://www.meteociel.fr/modeles/ecmwf/runs/2014032300/ECM0-240.GIF?23-12

Originally Posted by: The Beast from the East 



Yes what more could anyone want in mid spring apart from a week of grey easterly muck followed by snow? 😝

Not a pleasant outlook this morning with a generally easterly flow and northern blocking.
JACKO4EVER
23 March 2014 09:30:42
Appalling outlook this morning, a possible true appearance of Winter...... Well into Spring.
Gooner
23 March 2014 10:38:22

Appalling outlook this morning, a possible true appearance of Winter...... Well into Spring.

Originally Posted by: JACKO4EVER 


wouldn't that be bad luck Jacko


Remember anything after T120 is really Just For Fun



Marcus
Banbury
North Oxfordshire
378 feet A S L


Quantum
23 March 2014 10:51:21

If this had happened two months ago


http://www.meteociel.fr/ukmo/runs/2014032300/UW144-21.GIF?23-06



Twitter: @QuantumOverlord (general), @MedicaneWatch (medicane/TC stuff)
2023/2024 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):
29/11 (-6), 30/11 (-6), 02/12 (-5), 03/12 (-5), 04/12 (-3), 16/01 (-3), 18/01 (-8), 08/02 (-5)

Total: 8 days with snow/sleet falling.

2022/2023 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

18/12 (-1), 06/03 (-6), 08/03 (-8), 09/03 (-6), 10/03 (-8), 11/03 (-5), 14/03 (-6)

Total: 7 days with snow/sleet falling.

2021/2022 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

26/11 (-5), 27/11 (-7), 28/11 (-6), 02/12 (-6), 06/01 (-5), 07/01 (-6), 06/02 (-5), 19/02 (-5), 24/02 (-7), 30/03 (-7), 31/03 (-8), 01/04 (-8)
Total: 12 days with snow/sleet falling.
Gooner
23 March 2014 10:57:40


If this had happened two months ago


http://www.meteociel.fr/ukmo/runs/2014032300/UW144-21.GIF?23-06



Originally Posted by: Quantum 


Do you think this is the result of the warming that we saw in Feb?


Remember anything after T120 is really Just For Fun



Marcus
Banbury
North Oxfordshire
378 feet A S L


Ally Pally Snowman
23 March 2014 11:08:36

Appalling outlook this morning, a possible true appearance of Winter...... Well into Spring.

Originally Posted by: JACKO4EVER 



Not sure what models you are looking at looks average even mild to me. The easterly is certainly not a cold one.


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Reem1682.html 

http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Reem2402.html 


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/MT8_London_ens.png 

Bishop's Stortford 85m ASL.
Gooner
23 March 2014 11:19:00

Appalling outlook this morning, a possible true appearance of Winter...... Well into Spring.

Originally Posted by: Ally Pally Snowman 



Not sure what models you are looking at looks average even mild to me. The easterly is certainly not a cold one.


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Reem1682.html

http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Reem2402.html


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/MT8_London_ens.png

Originally Posted by: JACKO4EVER 


Outlook for Tuesday to Thursday:


Rather cloudy on Tuesday with rain in places. Mostly dry thereafter with a few showers, mainly in the east of the UK. Feeling cold in brisk winds across eastern Britain.


Won't feel mild though


Remember anything after T120 is really Just For Fun



Marcus
Banbury
North Oxfordshire
378 feet A S L


Charmhills
23 March 2014 11:25:41


Appalling outlook this morning, a possible true appearance of Winter...... Well into Spring.

Originally Posted by: Gooner 



Not sure what models you are looking at looks average even mild to me. The easterly is certainly not a cold one.


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Reem1682.html

http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Reem2402.html


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/MT8_London_ens.png

Originally Posted by: Ally Pally Snowman 


Outlook for Tuesday to Thursday:


Rather cloudy on Tuesday with rain in places. Mostly dry thereafter with a few showers, mainly in the east of the UK. Feeling cold in brisk winds across eastern Britain.


Won't feel mild though


Originally Posted by: JACKO4EVER 


Its not looking to warm this week is it.


Loughborough, EM.

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Duane.
Stormchaser
23 March 2014 12:14:57

Yep - a naff week overall in terms of temperatures, although the weekend could save things if troughing situates more to the SW and we get a bit of a SE flow.


ECM's op run is digging the jet south a fair bit more than GFS, with dramatic consequences - flick through +192, +216 and +240 hours and you see deeply cold air flooding down the eastern flank of Greenland towards the UK, while at the same time, exceptionally warm air is dragged up across the Med. from Africa.


Were that to verify, the meeting point of the two airmasses would see some interesting conditions... 


 


We do look to be spending our days close to or on the borderline between warm and cool conditions, with showers and more organised areas of rain coming and going.


The 00z GFS op is generally more unsettled than the other operational runs from the weekend onward, and the 06z... well, that seems to get a bit carried away with the Atlantic energy IMO. GEM is not nearly as unsettled. UKMO... well, that doesn't give any clear signal as to which way it would go beyond day 6, to be honest.


 


...so really we can't be at all sure which side of the line we'll be at any given time beyond the next 5 days.


It's a very interesting pattern developing, but one that could quite easily deliver unsavoury conditions to our shores.


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Ally Pally Snowman
23 March 2014 12:23:53


Appalling outlook this morning, a possible true appearance of Winter...... Well into Spring.

Originally Posted by: Charmhills 



Not sure what models you are looking at looks average even mild to me. The easterly is certainly not a cold one.


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Reem1682.html

http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Reem2402.html


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/MT8_London_ens.png

Originally Posted by: Gooner 


Outlook for Tuesday to Thursday:


Rather cloudy on Tuesday with rain in places. Mostly dry thereafter with a few showers, mainly in the east of the UK. Feeling cold in brisk winds across eastern Britain.


Won't feel mild though


Originally Posted by: Ally Pally Snowman 


Its not looking to warm this week is it.

Originally Posted by: JACKO4EVER 




Fair enough but I don't see winter either.





Bishop's Stortford 85m ASL.
Gooner
23 March 2014 12:39:33

^^^^^^^^^^ neither do I ^^^^^^


Remember anything after T120 is really Just For Fun



Marcus
Banbury
North Oxfordshire
378 feet A S L


JoeShmoe99
23 March 2014 18:20:30
GFS 12z has us back to spring at day 10 with 16/17c in places
Karl Guille
23 March 2014 19:04:39

GFS 12z has us back to spring at day 10 with 16/17c in places

Originally Posted by: JoeShmoe99 


Meanwhile ECM 12z is trying very hard to offer an alternative solution!


http://www.meteociel.fr/modeles/ecmwf/runs/2014032312/ECM0-240.GIF?23-0


St. Sampson
Guernsey
Stormchaser
23 March 2014 21:18:53

The models seem to be drifting together, with the combined theme being one of a trough between the UK and the Azores with blocking to the north of that.

Due to the trough positioning, there is a net southerly/near southerly flow across much of NW Europe, bringing warmth up towards the UK.

Meanwhile, the blocking high across Greenland drives Arctic air southward, towards the UK...


 


There is serious scope for the UK to be simultaneously affected by both airmasses, which the ECM 12z op run shows very nicely - in fact it's remarkably consistent with previous runs in that respect. GFS is showing similar things now... in fact, GFS has shifted towards ECM far more than ECM has come the other way.


 


With light winds and a continental drift originating somewhere in Africa, the ECM day 10 chart could deliver 20*C or more in parts of the south, provided there was enough dry air in the circulation to prevent excessive cloud build-up, or at least a high enough cap in the atmosphere to allow convection to stand tall rather than spread out.


At the same time, NE Scotland could see a few snow showers, though perhaps not to low levels given the weakness of the flow.


 


This sure is fascinating stuff - I will have to fight to not let it distract me from my revision too much!


Unfortunately, the natural progression from the above situation is towards troughing closer to the UK or over us. Retrogression of the mean trough is possible, but we would be getting very lucky indeed if we saw that!


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nsrobins
23 March 2014 21:41:50

Very interesting looking ECM.


What month is it?



Neil
Fareham, Hampshire 28m ASL (near estuary)
Stormchaser, Member TORRO
Medlock Vale Weather
23 March 2014 22:21:54


The models seem to be drifting together, with the combined theme being one of a trough between the UK and the Azores with blocking to the north of that.

Due to the trough positioning, there is a net southerly/near southerly flow across much of NW Europe, bringing warmth up towards the UK.

Meanwhile, the blocking high across Greenland drives Arctic air southward, towards the UK...


 


There is serious scope for the UK to be simultaneously affected by both airmasses, which the ECM 12z op run shows very nicely - in fact it's remarkably consistent with previous runs in that respect. GFS is showing similar things now... in fact, GFS has shifted towards ECM far more than ECM has come the other way.


 


With light winds and a continental drift originating somewhere in Africa, the ECM day 10 chart could deliver 20*C or more in parts of the south, provided there was enough dry air in the circulation to prevent excessive cloud build-up, or at least a high enough cap in the atmosphere to allow convection to stand tall rather than spread out.


At the same time, NE Scotland could see a few snow showers, though perhaps not to low levels given the weakness of the flow.


 


This sure is fascinating stuff - I will have to fight to not let it distract me from my revision too much!


Unfortunately, the natural progression from the above situation is towards troughing closer to the UK or over us. Retrogression of the mean trough is possible, but we would be getting very lucky indeed if we saw that!


Originally Posted by: Stormchaser 


Could that mean some beefy? 


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Stormchaser
23 March 2014 22:44:00



There is serious scope for the UK to be simultaneously affected by both airmasses, which the ECM 12z op run shows very nicely - in fact it's remarkably consistent with previous runs in that respect. GFS is showing similar things now... in fact, GFS has shifted towards ECM far more than ECM has come the other way.


Originally Posted by: Medlock Vale Weather 


Could that mean some beefy? 


Originally Posted by: Stormchaser 


If the two airmasses interacted in the right way, yes, if cold air aloft could combine with some moisture convergence at thes surface.


That's easier said than done, though. The air could be too stable or not unstable to a great enough height - it depends on whether there is much influence from a ridge of high pressure, and what mechanisms mix the two airmasses... yeah, it's complicated!


No wonder, really,  that is often comes down to short range forecasts attempting to get the detail but often being a little wide of the mark.


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The Beast from the East
24 March 2014 07:51:39

ECM continues to show the potential for the collision of airmasses


Will feel more chilly this week in the South east with the easterly wind than perhaps the whole of winter


 


 


"We have some alternative facts for you"
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nsrobins
24 March 2014 11:06:17

For those still sufferring from MAD (Model Adjustment Disorder), have a look at Pert #9 from GEFS 00Z run


A blast of -10 into the SE next week.


Quick before it dissapears!


Neil
Fareham, Hampshire 28m ASL (near estuary)
Stormchaser, Member TORRO
nsrobins
24 March 2014 11:08:37


ECM continues to show the potential for the collision of airmasses


Will feel more chilly this week in the South east with the easterly wind than perhaps the whole of winter


 


 


Originally Posted by: The Beast from the East 


Indeed.


http://www.meteociel.fr/modeles/ecmwf.php?ech=240&mode=0&map=0&type=0&archive=0


A real continental US style gradient there. One of the 'best' charts of the 'winter' LOL


Neil
Fareham, Hampshire 28m ASL (near estuary)
Stormchaser, Member TORRO

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