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Matty H
09 June 2014 22:49:39
Happens all the time. The British army are currently investigating themselves over bullying allegations over one soldier who was disabled in action. That's the British army investigating themselves on behalf of themselves. Very democratic.
Dougie
10 June 2014 01:13:40




Blather tries to quiet the increasing unease about the endemic corruption within FIFA and the Qatar bid, by branding anyone who questions the dubious bidding process as 'racists'


 


Jeez, has he been taking lessons from Israel?


Originally Posted by: SydneyonTees 


What a total and complete tool that man is. Aside from the continued failure to recognise how corrupt his organisation is, there is the irony of the man who denies there is any racism in football and does FA about it, now trying to take the race moral highground!


Originally Posted by: NickR 


 


And who is running the investigation in to corruption in FIFA..........


 


FIFA is lol


 


How can a company run an investigation in to corruption within their own organisation......gee I wonder what the outcome will be


FIFA will never be clean whilst Blatter is there. I am sure if there was a full independent investigation with full access to the required information then there would be more than sufficient evidence to send Blatter and a good few others to prison.


Originally Posted by: Saint Snow 


American lawyer Michael Garcia is currently involved in an independent investigation into the bidding process and is due to deliver his report to Fifa in mid-July. Unfortunately, it's possible that Garcia might be in Blatter's pocket.


Ha'way the lads
haghir22
10 June 2014 07:38:25





Blather tries to quiet the increasing unease about the endemic corruption within FIFA and the Qatar bid, by branding anyone who questions the dubious bidding process as 'racists'


 


Jeez, has he been taking lessons from Israel?


Originally Posted by: Dougie 


What a total and complete tool that man is. Aside from the continued failure to recognise how corrupt his organisation is, there is the irony of the man who denies there is any racism in football and does FA about it, now trying to take the race moral highground!


Originally Posted by: SydneyonTees 


 


And who is running the investigation in to corruption in FIFA..........


 


FIFA is lol


 


How can a company run an investigation in to corruption within their own organisation......gee I wonder what the outcome will be


FIFA will never be clean whilst Blatter is there. I am sure if there was a full independent investigation with full access to the required information then there would be more than sufficient evidence to send Blatter and a good few others to prison.


Originally Posted by: NickR 


American lawyer Michael Garcia is currently involved in an independent investigation into the bidding process and is due to deliver his report to Fifa in mid-July. Unfortunately, it's possible that Garcia might be in Blatter's pocket.


Originally Posted by: Saint Snow 


Possible...? It's a shambles all the way, apparently some witnesses to the bribery have just said 'no' to being interviewed and that's that with no questioning.


YNWA
SEMerc
10 June 2014 09:49:05

There is nothing wrong with Garcia per se. The problem is, his remit is so narrow that the investigation is nothing more than a sick joke.


What is needed, self evidently, is a far more expansive investigation that will also focus on Russia 2018.


I still find it astonishing (well actually I don't) that the location of two World Cup tournaments can be decided on the same day.

Saint Snow
10 June 2014 15:47:39

At his press conference, the Owl says:


"It is very exciting. We have a potential, a lot of belief in this potential but I must advise some caution because the players haven't had a lot of chances in an England shirt to show they can realise that potential. I believe it will be but first lets see some good performances in  England shirts.


"Lets calm down before we say we have world beaters because to have world beaters you have to put an international shirt on and play very well.


"We have more pace, more mobility, a lot of technical players. I am not trying to play down the future looks quite bright and there are interesting times ahead. This World Cup, we are also going to need our experienced players."


 


I think that shortens the odds on a midfield of Gerrard, Lampard & Milner



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Lumi-Ukko
10 June 2014 16:02:03


"We have more pace, more mobility, a lot of technical players. I am not trying to play down the future looks quite bright and there are interesting times ahead. This World Cup, we are also going to need our experienced players."


 


I think that shortens the odds on a midfield of Gerrard, Lampard & Milner


Originally Posted by: Saint Snow 


I fully expect Hodgson to trot out a super conservative midfield of Gerrard, Henderson, and Milner for the Italy game, with Milner or Henderson given the job of shadowing Pirlo, and the other to give defensive support to Gerrard (and Johnson). That doesn't leave much attacking engine with either Lallana or Sterling and Rooney, with Sturridge at the spearhead of a Christmas tree 4-3-2-1 formation.


I actually don't mind Milner being given the job of shadowing Pirlo, as he has a real engine in him and is definitely one of, if not the fittest of the England players.  But, my opinion is different in that the best way to take Pirlo out of the game is to have someone who can shadow him, but also run off him with the ability to turn that into counter attack, which Milner is not really capable of.  Rooney is too indisciplined, and Barkley too wet behind the ears for that.  This is where a Gareth Bale type player would fit perfectly into an England shirt.


SEMerc
10 June 2014 16:39:23



"We have more pace, more mobility, a lot of technical players. I am not trying to play down the future looks quite bright and there are interesting times ahead. This World Cup, we are also going to need our experienced players."


 


I think that shortens the odds on a midfield of Gerrard, Lampard & Milner


Originally Posted by: Lumi-Ukko 


I fully expect Hodgson to trot out a super conservative midfield of Gerrard, Henderson, and Milner for the Italy game, with Milner or Henderson given the job of shadowing Pirlo, and the other to give defensive support to Gerrard (and Johnson). That doesn't leave much attacking engine with either Lallana or Sterling and Rooney, with Sturridge at the spearhead of a Christmas tree 4-3-2-1 formation.


I actually don't mind Milner being given the job of shadowing Pirlo, as he has a real engine in him and is definitely one of, if not the fittest of the England players.  But, my opinion is different in that the best way to take Pirlo out of the game is to have someone who can shadow him, but also run off him with the ability to turn that into counter attack, which Milner is not really capable of.  Rooney is too indisciplined, and Barkley too wet behind the ears for that.  This is where a Gareth Bale type player would fit perfectly into an England shirt.


Originally Posted by: Saint Snow 


The best way to nullify Pirlo is to keep him occupied - Sterling is more than capable of doing that if he has maintained his league form.


It's also worth noting that age in his case probably won't make much difference. I think I'm right in saying that in the Euro 2012 England - Italy bore draw he covered more distance on the pitch than anyone else - certainly on the Italian side at least.

Lumi-Ukko
10 June 2014 19:39:05


The best way to nullify Pirlo is to keep him occupied - Sterling is more than capable of doing that if he has maintained his league form.


It's also worth noting that age in his case probably won't make much difference. I think I'm right in saying that in the Euro 2012 England - Italy bore draw he covered more distance on the pitch than anyone else - certainly on the Italian side at least.


Originally Posted by: SEMerc 


Yes, I read that somewhere too. Pirlo is still reasonably fit two years on and played something like 43 domestic games last season.  The heat/humidity may sap something out of him, but then it will for everyone, so keep him occupied for 70 minutes and then throw someone on him with pace to kill (Sterling or Barkley) and he could become the weak link in their team.


We all know that Roy will do the most conservative plan in most likelihood, especially being an opening game, but with the youngsters he's take, there's every hope he surprises us with a bold selection.


Dougie
10 June 2014 22:36:52

Blatter is told he should step down.


http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/27787841


Ha'way the lads
SEMerc
10 June 2014 22:57:54
Matty H
10 June 2014 23:21:25

Potentially some good news.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/27789874 

Originally Posted by: SEMerc 



Sterling would have played anyway in my opinion. Sterling right, lallana left, Rooney behind Sturridge.
SEMerc
10 June 2014 23:30:02

Potentially some good news. http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/27789874 

Originally Posted by: Matty H 

Sterling would have played anyway in my opinion. Sterling right, lallana left, Rooney behind Sturridge.

Originally Posted by: SEMerc 


Mirror are suggesting Sterling will play through the middle with Rooney out wide. Most odd, especially Rooney.

SEMerc
11 June 2014 00:17:39

A reminder of a manager England should have had.


He gets going after about three minutes.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=oqAZsoF-ghw

Matty H
11 June 2014 06:13:51

Potentially some good news. http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/27789874 

Originally Posted by: SEMerc 

Sterling would have played anyway in my opinion. Sterling right, lallana left, Rooney behind Sturridge.

Originally Posted by: Matty H 


Mirror are suggesting Sterling will play through the middle with Rooney out wide. Most odd, especially Rooney.

Originally Posted by: SEMerc 



Didn't he start Rooney out on the left against Ecuador? I saw that as more of an experiment rather than an indicator of his starting formation, although I'm pretty sure he's played this role at Utd before? I'd still play as above.

future_is_orange
11 June 2014 10:02:28

Potentially some good news. http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/27789874 

Originally Posted by: Matty H 

Sterling would have played anyway in my opinion. Sterling right, lallana left, Rooney behind Sturridge.

Originally Posted by: SEMerc 

Mirror are suggesting Sterling will play through the middle with Rooney out wide. Most odd, especially Rooney.

Originally Posted by: Matty H 

Didn't he start Rooney out on the left against Ecuador? I saw that as more of an experiment rather than an indicator of his starting formation, although I'm pretty sure he's played this role at Utd before? I'd still play as above.

Originally Posted by: SEMerc 


 


Rooney has played wide left several times for Man u n puts in his usual hard working shift.. problem with Rooney he could probably start in any postion across the midfield and up front, he can fill most voids where there is a gap in talent / options

Saint Snow
11 June 2014 10:12:43


Potentially some good news. http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/27789874 

Originally Posted by: future_is_orange 

Sterling would have played anyway in my opinion. Sterling right, lallana left, Rooney behind Sturridge.

Originally Posted by: Matty H 

Mirror are suggesting Sterling will play through the middle with Rooney out wide. Most odd, especially Rooney.

Originally Posted by: SEMerc 

Didn't he start Rooney out on the left against Ecuador? I saw that as more of an experiment rather than an indicator of his starting formation, although I'm pretty sure he's played this role at Utd before? I'd still play as above.

Originally Posted by: Matty H 


 


Rooney has played wide left several times for Man u n puts in his usual hard working shift.. problem with Rooney he could probably start in any postion across the midfield and up front, he can fill most voids where there is a gap in talent / options


Originally Posted by: SEMerc 


 


I think that's where his talent has been somewhat stifled



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bowser
11 June 2014 10:57:46



Potentially some good news. http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/27789874 

Originally Posted by: Saint Snow 

Sterling would have played anyway in my opinion. Sterling right, lallana left, Rooney behind Sturridge.

Originally Posted by: future_is_orange 

Mirror are suggesting Sterling will play through the middle with Rooney out wide. Most odd, especially Rooney.

Originally Posted by: Matty H 

Didn't he start Rooney out on the left against Ecuador? I saw that as more of an experiment rather than an indicator of his starting formation, although I'm pretty sure he's played this role at Utd before? I'd still play as above.

Originally Posted by: SEMerc 


 


Rooney has played wide left several times for Man u n puts in his usual hard working shift.. problem with Rooney he could probably start in any postion across the midfield and up front, he can fill most voids where there is a gap in talent / options


Originally Posted by: Matty H 


 


I think that's where his talent has been somewhat stifled


Originally Posted by: SEMerc 


He's not deft enough to play in that role behind the striker(s) or to play on the left or right. IMO, he's better off playing as a striker in a 4-4-2 or in a system where he has at least one player upfront in support to play off.


hard to fathom the thought process here.

SEMerc
11 June 2014 12:08:20

Potentially some good news. http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/27789874 

Originally Posted by: Matty H 

Sterling would have played anyway in my opinion. Sterling right, lallana left, Rooney behind Sturridge.

Originally Posted by: SEMerc 

Mirror are suggesting Sterling will play through the middle with Rooney out wide. Most odd, especially Rooney.

Originally Posted by: Matty H 

Didn't he start Rooney out on the left against Ecuador? I saw that as more of an experiment rather than an indicator of his starting formation, although I'm pretty sure he's played this role at Utd before? I'd still play as above.

Originally Posted by: SEMerc 


Yes he did. The Mirror report I think was based on yesterday's training session.


TBH, I think Rooney is far more suited to a #10 role with Sterling out on the right - even though Brenton has played him through the middle before.


We need Sterling to keep the LB busy, in order to prevent him from having a go at Johnson.

Gooner
11 June 2014 12:45:26


Potentially some good news. http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/27789874 

Originally Posted by: SEMerc 

Sterling would have played anyway in my opinion. Sterling right, lallana left, Rooney behind Sturridge.

Originally Posted by: Matty H 

Mirror are suggesting Sterling will play through the middle with Rooney out wide. Most odd, especially Rooney.

Originally Posted by: SEMerc 

Didn't he start Rooney out on the left against Ecuador? I saw that as more of an experiment rather than an indicator of his starting formation, although I'm pretty sure he's played this role at Utd before? I'd still play as above.

Originally Posted by: Matty H 


Yes he did. The Mirror report I think was based on yesterday's training session.


TBH, I think Rooney is far more suited to a #10 role with Sterling out on the right - even though Brenton has played him through the middle before.


We need Sterling to keep the LB busy, in order to prevent him from having a go at Johnson.


Originally Posted by: SEMerc 


To a place on the bench


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Saint Snow
11 June 2014 13:16:35


He's not deft enough to play in that role behind the striker(s)


Originally Posted by: bowser 


 


I think his game & vision made him the perfect player to grow into the No10 role. Unfortunately, his versatility and willingness to put in the graft for the sake of the team saw Baconface deploy him in a variety of positions meaning he couldn't develop his game as an out and out No10. Having Van Persie at OT has also worked against him, partly because he was shunted around even more, and partly because Van Persie's game isn't suited to having a No10.


I can't stand Rooney, but acknowledge he was a massive footballing talent. Look at his perfornces in Euro 2004. Regretably, he simply hasn't developed - indeed, he's gone backwards. And I blame his time at Man U.



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future_is_orange
11 June 2014 13:26:15



He's not deft enough to play in that role behind the striker(s)


Originally Posted by: Saint Snow 


 


I think his game & vision made him the perfect player to grow into the No10 role. Unfortunately, his versatility and willingness to put in the graft for the sake of the team saw Baconface deploy him in a variety of positions meaning he couldn't develop his game as an out and out No10. Having Van Persie at OT has also worked against him, partly because he was shunted around even more, and partly because Van Persie's game isn't suited to having a No10.


I can't stand Rooney, but acknowledge he was a massive footballing talent. Look at his perfornces in Euro 2004. Regretably, he simply hasn't developed - indeed, he's gone backwards. And I blame his time at Man U.


Originally Posted by: bowser 


Certainly over the last few seasons Rooney has prob gone backward in his career prob due to the work he has had to do in covering for a total lack lustre Man U midfield. Has he peaked already..? Possibly.....as Scholes already mentioned. For him to further his career he needs to be surrounded by quality players at Man U

bowser
11 June 2014 14:23:56



He's not deft enough to play in that role behind the striker(s)


Originally Posted by: Saint Snow 


 


I think his game & vision made him the perfect player to grow into the No10 role. Unfortunately, his versatility and willingness to put in the graft for the sake of the team saw Baconface deploy him in a variety of positions meaning he couldn't develop his game as an out and out No10. Having Van Persie at OT has also worked against him, partly because he was shunted around even more, and partly because Van Persie's game isn't suited to having a No10.


I can't stand Rooney, but acknowledge he was a massive footballing talent. Look at his perfornces in Euro 2004. Regretably, he simply hasn't developed - indeed, he's gone backwards. And I blame his time at Man U.


Originally Posted by: bowser 


I blame his work ethic.

SEMerc
11 June 2014 14:43:58




He's not deft enough to play in that role behind the striker(s)


Originally Posted by: bowser 


 


I think his game & vision made him the perfect player to grow into the No10 role. Unfortunately, his versatility and willingness to put in the graft for the sake of the team saw Baconface deploy him in a variety of positions meaning he couldn't develop his game as an out and out No10. Having Van Persie at OT has also worked against him, partly because he was shunted around even more, and partly because Van Persie's game isn't suited to having a No10.


I can't stand Rooney, but acknowledge he was a massive footballing talent. Look at his perfornces in Euro 2004. Regretably, he simply hasn't developed - indeed, he's gone backwards. And I blame his time at Man U.


Originally Posted by: Saint Snow 


I blame his work ethic.


Originally Posted by: bowser 


In fairness to Rooney he does track back. Yet as already stated, he has been played out of positon and been surrounded by pretty average players for the most part. I'm not expecting too much from him in this tournament. I hope to be proven wrong.


P.S. Playing Sterling through the middle would be an absolute fooking waste.

pnepaul
11 June 2014 15:54:37

I have to say I have a feeling that the World Cup will be a dull and defensive affair for the most part - lots of buses being parked . I suspect there will be a great deal of diving, cheating, feigning injury and time wasting to add to the "spectacle" of the World Cup. 


As for England, can't make my mind up as to whether it will be another poor tournament, or they will spring a surprise and do rather well!

bowser
11 June 2014 15:59:21





He's not deft enough to play in that role behind the striker(s)


Originally Posted by: SEMerc 


 


I think his game & vision made him the perfect player to grow into the No10 role. Unfortunately, his versatility and willingness to put in the graft for the sake of the team saw Baconface deploy him in a variety of positions meaning he couldn't develop his game as an out and out No10. Having Van Persie at OT has also worked against him, partly because he was shunted around even more, and partly because Van Persie's game isn't suited to having a No10.


I can't stand Rooney, but acknowledge he was a massive footballing talent. Look at his perfornces in Euro 2004. Regretably, he simply hasn't developed - indeed, he's gone backwards. And I blame his time at Man U.


Originally Posted by: bowser 


I blame his work ethic.


Originally Posted by: Saint Snow 


In fairness to Rooney he does track back. Yet as already stated, he has been played out of positon and been surrounded by pretty average players for the most part. I'm not expecting too much from him in this tournament. I hope to be proven wrong.


P.S. Playing Sterling through the middle would be an absolute fooking waste.


Originally Posted by: bowser 


I don't fault his work rate on the field. I'm more on about his general fitness over the last few years. He has the body type that can easily get out of shape, but he's paid a decent enough wage to train in order to keep in top fitness.

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