Remove ads from site

Gooner
21 January 2015 17:44:58


It might just be me but the latest GFS run is very pleasing to my eyes - high pressure and it's associated heights always close by to keep it dry and mild at this end, interrupted by a brief north west polar maritime air flow which could give me the best of the sunny breaks anyway - and all without silly bombing lows going off.

I can almost already feel the warmth of the rising February sun on my face.

While this winter has actually been kind to me when compared to last year and there is still a lot of winter season to come, I'm done with all this snow/cold hunting. It's time for me to look forward to the first bit of spring-like warmth. 


Originally Posted by: idj20 


http://modeles.meteociel.fr/modeles/gens/runs/2015012112/gensnh-0-1-288.png


I'm sure you would rather the control


Remember anything after T120 is really Just For Fun



Marcus
Banbury
North Oxfordshire
378 feet A S L


llamedos
21 January 2015 17:47:35


It might just be me but the latest GFS run is very pleasing to my eyes - high pressure and it's associated heights always close by to keep it dry and mild at this end, interrupted by a brief north west polar maritime air flow which could give me the best of the sunny breaks anyway - and all without silly bombing lows going off.

I can almost already feel the warmth of the rising February sun on my face.

While this winter has actually been kind to me when compared to last year and there is still a lot of winter season to come, I'm done with all this snow/cold hunting. It's time for me to look forward to the first bit of spring-like warmth. 


Originally Posted by: idj20 

Oh dear,in the mods/admin inner sanctum we still advocate burning heretics at the stake ..........


"Life with the Lions"

TWO Moderator
Gusty
21 January 2015 18:05:32


NAVGEM is fantastic too! Can anyone else feel that there might be something big here, or am I just mad? 


Originally Posted by: Quantum 


Hi Quantum, I enjoy reading your posts, so please don't take this the wrong way but your enthusiasm today matches that of one of those dreadfully annoying mates that wants to go out for an early morning walk and do stuff after a massive night out when everyone is lounging around the house nursing a hangover.


I think its fair to say that we need some chill time before we start to chase more rainbows again. 


Steve - Folkestone, Kent
Current conditions from my Davis Vantage Vue
https://www.wunderground.com/dashboard/pws/IFOLKE11 
Join Kent Weather on Facebook.
https://www.facebook.com/stevewall69/ 



nsrobins
21 January 2015 18:07:35


 


http://modeles.meteociel.fr/modeles/gens/runs/2015012112/gensnh-0-1-288.png


I'm sure you would rather the control


Originally Posted by: Gooner 


If you're going to cherry pick Marcus do it properly.


May I suggest a decent serving of Pert #4 instead?


 


Neil
Fareham, Hampshire 28m ASL (near estuary)
Stormchaser, Member TORRO
soperman
21 January 2015 18:14:37

The UKMO 144 offers a slightly better orientated drift of the AH northwestwards helped by the shortwave at the north of Scotland spinning off the greenie low.


Better than the GFS 144 so let's await the ECM to see if we have earlier potential of a proper Northerly incursion.


Potential

Russwirral
21 January 2015 18:22:40
Zubzero
21 January 2015 18:24:59


http://modeles2.meteociel.fr/modeles_gfs/runs/2015012112/6-574.GIF?21-12


GFS says some snow for the SE tonight. Yeah right!


 


Originally Posted by: The Beast from the East 


I have a 100% chance of snow tonight 


http://modeles.meteociel.fr/modeles/gens/runs/2015012112/graphe3_1000_304_92___.gif


 


 


ECM out to 120 http://www.meteociel.fr/modeles/ecmwf/runs/2015012112/ECH1-120.GIF?21-0


Will it show a very unlikely end to the run as the 0z did or will it be back to reality  


 


 

doctormog
21 January 2015 18:28:24


 


I have a 100% chance of snow tonight 


http://modeles.meteociel.fr/modeles/gens/runs/2015012112/graphe3_1000_304_92___.gif


 


 


ECM out to 120 http://www.meteociel.fr/modeles/ecmwf/runs/2015012112/ECH1-120.GIF?21-0


Will it show a very unlikely end to the run as the 0z did or will it be back to reality  


 


 


Originally Posted by: Zubzero 


The only "reality" you will ever find in the weather models is at +00hrs (even then it's not always accurate!)


Brian Gaze
21 January 2015 18:33:33

There's some interest as there has been all winter but these won't be keeping me awake:


http://www.theweatheroutlook.com/twodata/datmdlout.aspx



Brian Gaze
Berkhamsted
TWO Buzz - get the latest news and views 
"I'm not socialist, I know that. I don't believe in sharing my money." - Gary Numan
Girthmeister
21 January 2015 19:03:30


 


OK guys here's the plan, we go down to portugal and build a very long, high, unstable bridge that no one would ever want to walk on. Then when Gandalf next comes online we persuade him to walk on that bridge along with a choir behind him playing dramatic music. 


It can't fail.


 


Originally Posted by: Quantum 


Zubzero
21 January 2015 19:07:46


 


The only "reality" you will ever find in the weather models is at +00hrs (even then it's not always accurate!)


Originally Posted by: doctormog 


I don't even have a lamppost outside so even looking out the window at +00 hours is not very accurate 


ECM showing were soon be back in the cold zonal theme, nice to see the low/trough digging well in to Europe.


 


And what a northerly at the end, all the way from the Arctic Ocean to the med 


http://www.meteociel.fr/modeles/ecmwf/runs/2015012112/ECH1-240.GIF?21-0


 

squish
21 January 2015 19:11:12
ECM is similar for the 12z at around +240 - perhaps not quite such a stella chart as the 00z- as are most models out to +240, although its really too far out to pin any detail on things. Also it is notable the extreme scatter on the 12z ensemble suite past +120/144 hours, which also lowers confidence of what may be in store come the end of the month. Worth watching though....
D.E.W on Dartmoor. 300m asl
Saint Snow
21 January 2015 19:30:43


 


OK guys here's the plan, we go down to portugal and build a very long, high, unstable bridge that no one would ever want to walk on. Then when Gandalf next comes online we persuade him to walk on that bridge along with a choir behind him playing dramatic music. 


It can't fail.


Originally Posted by: Quantum 


 


I'm in!




Martin
Home: St Helens (26m asl) Work: Manchester (75m asl)
A TWO addict since 14/12/01
"How can wealth persuade poverty to use its political freedom to keep wealth in power? Here lies the whole art of Conservative politics."
Aneurin Bevan
Stormchaser
21 January 2015 20:42:40

A familiar tale days 7-10 of the ECM 12z op run; the Canadian vortex weakens and disintegrates, but then the cold air pool interacts with the subtropical jet, LP develops, and a push is made to try and reform the vortex near or over Greenland.


There is, however, one key difference this time around - a stronger ridge of high pressure across Greenland that's attempting to block the LP from invading that island.


A slower LP development and progression would help with this cause.


Even then, you need good amplification of the mid-Atlantic jet to avoid shortwaves developing near Iceland and mixing out some of the cold air trying to reach the UK from the north (ECM day 10 showing this clearly).
Obviously if that shortwave can slide SE into the Euro trough, there's the potential for a snow event, but really you need either a longer lasting northerly ahead of it, or a larger/stronger high around Greenland, for such an event to deliver across more than a limited portion of the UK.


 


What I've done here is highlight how much needs to come together in the right way for cold and snow to affect places that can't rely on transient imports of polar maritime air from the NW.


All routes require high pressure at the high latitudes in some form or other, and in the right place to benefit us - so either an extended mid-Atlantic ridge or a full-on Arctic High sat to our NW. The reason is simple - without a major blocking high locked in place over Scandinavia (or at least Siberia), it's the only way to bring air masses to the UK capable of being subjected to the usual maritime influence without becoming insufficient for more than transient snowfall to lower levels across the aforementioned regions (the far south in particular).


There has been no established high latitude blocking this past week, just a transient ridge to our NE that has managed to kick off a spell of trough disruption but failed to stick around long enough to feed some decent cold across the south. Admittedly the behaviour of the sliding trough yesterday could easily have gone better for snow in the south (the path and timing of development was as unfavourable as it could possibly have been), but it was always looking uncomfortably marginal even on the best of runs.


Here's hoping we have better fortunes as we end the month and begin February. 


If you have any problems or queries relating to TWO you can Email [email protected]

https://twitter.com/peacockreports 
2023's Homeland Extremes:
T-Max: 30.2°C 9th Sep (...!) | T-Min: -7.1°C 22nd & 23rd Jan | Wettest Day: 25.9mm 2nd Nov | Ice Days: 1 (2nd Dec -1.3°C in freezing fog)
Keep Calm and Forecast On
David M Porter
21 January 2015 22:38:42


 


 


I'm in!



Originally Posted by: Saint Snow 


What the heck, put me in as well!


Lenzie, Glasgow

"Let us not take ourselves too seriously. None of us has a monopoly on wisdom, and we must always be ready to listen and respect other points of view."- Queen Elizabeth II 1926-2022
Chiltern Blizzard
21 January 2015 22:58:58

No comments on the GFS 18z Op...... Not surprising, it's vey boring


Rendlesham, Suffolk 20m asl
moomin75
21 January 2015 23:02:12
Very spring like out at 192 hrs though.
Witney, Oxfordshire
100m ASL
Gooner
21 January 2015 23:03:22

Very spring like out at 192 hrs though.

Originally Posted by: moomin75 


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rtavn19217.gif


Ridiculously so.


Mild outlier at this point


Remember anything after T120 is really Just For Fun



Marcus
Banbury
North Oxfordshire
378 feet A S L


Quantum
21 January 2015 23:05:58

Be interesting to compare the 18Z with the ensembles, I would have thought it was a mild outlier, but we'll see.


 


2023/2024 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):
29/11 (-6), 30/11 (-6), 02/12 (-5), 03/12 (-5), 04/12 (-3), 16/01 (-3), 18/01 (-8), 08/02 (-5)

Total: 8 days with snow/sleet falling.

2022/2023 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

18/12 (-1), 06/03 (-6), 08/03 (-8), 09/03 (-6), 10/03 (-8), 11/03 (-5), 14/03 (-6)

Total: 7 days with snow/sleet falling.

2021/2022 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

26/11 (-5), 27/11 (-7), 28/11 (-6), 02/12 (-6), 06/01 (-5), 07/01 (-6), 06/02 (-5), 19/02 (-5), 24/02 (-7), 30/03 (-7), 31/03 (-8), 01/04 (-8)
Total: 12 days with snow/sleet falling.
Matty H
21 January 2015 23:36:21


Be interesting to compare the 18Z with the ensembles, I would have thought it was a mild outlier, but we'll see.


  


Originally Posted by: Quantum 


Of course had it been a cold outlier the usual suspects would be claiming it's a trend setter. 


So it's a trend setter. Superb run. 


 


Quantum
22 January 2015 00:05:00


 


Of course had it been a cold outlier the usual suspects would be claiming it's a trend setter. 


So it's a trend setter. Superb run. 


 


Originally Posted by: Matty H 


I know you don't like cold, but wet miserable, and tbh still pretty cold (just not cold enough for snow/frost) is the nature of the 18Z , hardy something to cheer at even if you wanted to emulate the usual suspects.


Who are the usual suspects? And what happens on May 3rd? 


2023/2024 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):
29/11 (-6), 30/11 (-6), 02/12 (-5), 03/12 (-5), 04/12 (-3), 16/01 (-3), 18/01 (-8), 08/02 (-5)

Total: 8 days with snow/sleet falling.

2022/2023 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

18/12 (-1), 06/03 (-6), 08/03 (-8), 09/03 (-6), 10/03 (-8), 11/03 (-5), 14/03 (-6)

Total: 7 days with snow/sleet falling.

2021/2022 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

26/11 (-5), 27/11 (-7), 28/11 (-6), 02/12 (-6), 06/01 (-5), 07/01 (-6), 06/02 (-5), 19/02 (-5), 24/02 (-7), 30/03 (-7), 31/03 (-8), 01/04 (-8)
Total: 12 days with snow/sleet falling.
nsrobins
22 January 2015 00:24:48


 


 


Who are the usual suspects? And what happens on May 3rd? 


Originally Posted by: Quantum 


Bristol City get promoted and Newcastle get relegated?


The straws to clutch are more fragile with each passing day but we have Ian F's summary concerning amplification in 6-8 days and the last few rounds of NWP have hinted at it but there's not a lot to see really. Mind you last time I said that we had the big switch that led to . . . I've defeated my own argument again LOL.


Neil
Fareham, Hampshire 28m ASL (near estuary)
Stormchaser, Member TORRO
Gooner
22 January 2015 07:21:49

http://www.theweatheroutlook.com/charts/gefs/gefsens850london0.png?cb=335


The scatter after Tuesday is mad


Remember anything after T120 is really Just For Fun



Marcus
Banbury
North Oxfordshire
378 feet A S L


Gooner
22 January 2015 07:24:02


 


Of course had it been a cold outlier the usual suspects would be claiming it's a trend setter. 


So it's a trend setter. Superb run. 


 


Originally Posted by: Matty H 


Spot on Matthew


http://modeles.meteociel.fr/modeles/gfs/runs/2015012200/gfsnh-0-360.png?0


Trend setter


Remember anything after T120 is really Just For Fun



Marcus
Banbury
North Oxfordshire
378 feet A S L


Gooner
22 January 2015 07:25:12

http://www.meteociel.fr/modeles/ecmwf/runs/2015012200/ECH1-216.GIF?22-12


ECM comes up with a good un


No doubt be different this evening though


Remember anything after T120 is really Just For Fun



Marcus
Banbury
North Oxfordshire
378 feet A S L


Remove ads from site

Ads