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Charmhills
10 May 2015 15:51:58

Welcome to mortified Britain: Full of young Tories who secretly hate themselves


David Cameron may have won another term but his young supporters are still too embarrassed to tell anyone they voted Tory. Radhika Sanghani shines a light on the Conversatives stuck in the political closet


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/women/womens-politics/11593325/General-Election-2015-Britains-young-secret-Tories-hate-themselves.html


Say hello to the young shy Tory voter.


Loughborough, EM.

Knowledge is power, ignorance is weakness.

Duane.
Super Cell
10 May 2015 16:12:07


 


She gets out there and voices her political opinion in public.


You hide behind a computer screen and call her a "stupid cow".


Don't think I need to add anything else.


Originally Posted by: NickR 


So does Katie Hopkins...


Farnley/Pudsey Leeds
40m asl
10 May 2015 18:50:27
Highly amused at the idea that all these European leaders are suddenly rung scared of Cameron and are going to give it to all their demands....get real folks!
David M Porter
10 May 2015 18:58:32

Highly amused at the idea that all these European leaders are suddenly rung scared of Cameron and are going to give it to all their demands....get real folks!

Originally Posted by: chichesterweatherfan 


Yeah, that is a somewhat mind-boggling thought!


Lenzie, Glasgow

"Let us not take ourselves too seriously. None of us has a monopoly on wisdom, and we must always be ready to listen and respect other points of view."- Queen Elizabeth II 1926-2022
Darren S
10 May 2015 23:36:46

Found this on Page 1 



Originally Posted by: John p Go to Quoted Post


Tory private polling giving them 302 seats according to twatter.

 


LOL, I'll eat my shorts if that proves true.


Originally Posted by: SEMerc 


Actually, the first page of this thread has other gems on it - Lazy Wind saying he would join a union if the Conservatives exceeded 302 seats, and MM saying the Lib Dems would do better than anyone thought. 


Darren
Crowthorne, Berks (87m asl)
South Berks Winter Snow Depth Totals:
2023/24 0 cm; 2022/23 7 cm; 2021/22 1 cm; 2020/21 13 cm; 2019/20 0 cm; 2018/19 14 cm; 2017/18 23 cm; 2016/17 0 cm; 2015/16 0.5 cm; 2014/15 3.5 cm; 2013/14 0 cm; 2012/13 22 cm; 2011/12 7 cm; 2010/11 6 cm; 2009/10 51 cm
KevBrads1
11 May 2015 07:26:47

How quick time goes.


It's 5 years ago today that Cameron became PM


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=16ao1i317ro


 


MANCHESTER SUMMER INDEX for 2021: 238
Timelapses, old weather forecasts and natural phenomena videos can be seen on this site
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Maunder Minimum
11 May 2015 07:39:05


Found this on Page 1 


 


Actually, the first page of this thread has other gems on it - Lazy Wind saying he would join a union if the Conservatives exceeded 302 seats, and MM saying the Lib Dems would do better than anyone thought. 


Originally Posted by: Darren S 


Yep, I thought that Nick Clegg made a reasonable case for people to vote LibDem during the campaign, but clearly voters simply blanked him out.


New world order coming.
KevBrads1
11 May 2015 16:14:08

Four people you do not want to run an election campaign


Douglas Alexander. The man with the election curse. Second (2010) and third (2015) worst Labour share of the vote since WWII besides losing his seat is his record.


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David Axelrod: £300000 for what? Seem to spent most of time abroad.


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Lucy Powell. Absolutely hopeless. Vice chair of the campaign. Said Ed's pledges in stone might still be broken. TV performances lamentable


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Which leads me to Tortsen Henricson Bell, the man who thought a stone plinth with pledges on it was a good idea.
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MANCHESTER SUMMER INDEX for 2021: 238
Timelapses, old weather forecasts and natural phenomena videos can be seen on this site
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The Beast from the East
11 May 2015 20:22:05
Can't believe Cameron didn't take this chance to sack the spiv "michael green". He's still in the cabinet. Shows what poor judgement Cameron has. I think this parliament is going to be a disaster for him with the referendum ripping the party apart and the economy stagnating or going back into recession and savage cuts leading to civil strife
"We have some alternative facts for you"
Kelly-Ann Conway - special adviser to the President
Brian Gaze
11 May 2015 20:30:18

This is well worth a read:


The ‘too difficult’ box: Britain’s pre-election charades sidestep all the key questions


 


[Housing] So what should they be doing? One of the most successful moves ever to give householders security of tenure came in 1905 when Irish MPs, before independence, held the balance of power at Westminster. They drove a hard bargain with the then Whig government and forced, through the ‘Wyndham Land Act’, giving government loans on excellent terms so Ireland’s small tenant farmers could buy their farms outright and build decent homes on them.


.................


The entire basis of ‘austerity’ cuts in services, that there is not enough money to go round in the world's sixth wealthiest nation is a bare faced lie. The reality is that we are being drawn ever deeper into a whirlpool of debt, doubling under David Cameron and now standing at £1.5 trillion. To attempt to repay it is folly; the bankers know it's a numbers game from which the pound, the euro and the dollar can never escape.


.................


Bilderberg and the EU
When the Bilderberg Conferences began in 1954 few commentators realized the extent to which those invited to these secret gatherings of royalty, big business and banking would come to dominate economics and policy across the NATO countries. It was in Bilderberg’s secret conclaves that the European Union and euro were first mooted and where the first whispers were heard of the 1999 Kosovo and 2003 Iraq wars.


In the sixty years of its existence Bilderberg has grown as democracy has been withering on the vine. Which is hardly surprising since the participants hold the transatlantic purse-strings. It is largely due to their working in concert to buy into all the main political parties that governments have become an instrument of the banks, rather than the money system serving to oil the wheels of society.


The truth is today that unless Europe and America's political parties wake from their slumber their elections and parliaments are in danger of becoming a total irrelevance.


.................


Our politicians appear to be sliding down the food chain and the military industrial complex and bankers fiercely defending the apex of power. When all the votes are counted at the 'mother of parliaments' on May 8, will anything really have changed?


 


Brian Gaze
Berkhamsted
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SEMerc
11 May 2015 22:34:09


This is well worth a read:


The ‘too difficult’ box: Britain’s pre-election charades sidestep all the key questions


 


[Housing] So what should they be doing? One of the most successful moves ever to give householders security of tenure came in 1905 when Irish MPs, before independence, held the balance of power at Westminster. They drove a hard bargain with the then Whig government and forced, through the ‘Wyndham Land Act’, giving government loans on excellent terms so Ireland’s small tenant farmers could buy their farms outright and build decent homes on them.


.................


The entire basis of ‘austerity’ cuts in services, that there is not enough money to go round in the world's sixth wealthiest nation is a bare faced lie. The reality is that we are being drawn ever deeper into a whirlpool of debt, doubling under David Cameron and now standing at £1.5 trillion. To attempt to repay it is folly; the bankers know it's a numbers game from which the pound, the euro and the dollar can never escape.


.................


Bilderberg and the EU
When the Bilderberg Conferences began in 1954 few commentators realized the extent to which those invited to these secret gatherings of royalty, big business and banking would come to dominate economics and policy across the NATO countries. It was in Bilderberg’s secret conclaves that the European Union and euro were first mooted and where the first whispers were heard of the 1999 Kosovo and 2003 Iraq wars.


In the sixty years of its existence Bilderberg has grown as democracy has been withering on the vine. Which is hardly surprising since the participants hold the transatlantic purse-strings. It is largely due to their working in concert to buy into all the main political parties that governments have become an instrument of the banks, rather than the money system serving to oil the wheels of society.


The truth is today that unless Europe and America's political parties wake from their slumber their elections and parliaments are in danger of becoming a total irrelevance.


.................


Our politicians appear to be sliding down the food chain and the military industrial complex and bankers fiercely defending the apex of power. When all the votes are counted at the 'mother of parliaments' on May 8, will anything really have changed?


 


Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 


Pretty much sums it up, although it's also a function of a sleepwalking electorate.


I fear it's too late anyway.

Maunder Minimum
12 May 2015 05:29:53
Cameron is preparing the most radical, reforming, transformative Queen's Speech in a generation. Anybody who expects more of the same, will be in for a shock.
Welfare will be changed beyond recognition - young people with no work experience will lose their benefits completely, unless they go into work, training, education or apprenticeship - it will be the end of the great unwashed. This is brilliant, because it will end the idea that it is possible to start out on a life on benefits.
The EU is going to be in for a shock - they will be confronted with a list of clear, concise and dramatic demands if the UK is to remain a member.
The Constitution is going to be shaken up, but the precise end result is hard to see, because of having to deal with the Scottish and English questions, plus the House of Lords is a complete mess which needs sorting out.
Education is going to continue on the same direction of travel as in the Coalition, liberating Heads from local council busybodies.
The NHS is an issue. Cameron knows they cannot alter the fundamentals of the NHS, but if it is to survive, it needs to become much more efficient - a tough nut to crack.

This will be a transformed Cameron Government, freed from having to keep a coalition partner with very different ideas on board.
New world order coming.
Retron
12 May 2015 06:43:21


Education is going to continue on the same direction of travel as in the Coalition,

Originally Posted by: Maunder Minimum 


More job losses coming then!


The school in which I work was forced to become an academy in 2011, otherwise there would have been a 10% funding cut. Overall funding remained similar until this year, when an unavoidable cut of circa 8% happened. (The overall education budget has been kept more or less the same, but some schools have had some of their funding removed and given to other schools).


The upshot of that is that there will be quite a few redundancies, several cancelled courses in sixth form and a merger of the sixth form with another school to save money. Also we're not getting any new classroom computers this year, meaning that the oldest IT rooms will now have 7-year-old PCs - and they weren't very good back then.


We also have a growing mobile village (10 and counting) as due to the population boom there are more pupils than ever. There's no money to build new classrooms.


If that carries on for the next 5 years it's not going to be a pretty sight....


Leysdown, north Kent
Maunder Minimum
12 May 2015 06:53:26


 


More job losses coming then!


The school in which I work was forced to become an academy in 2011, otherwise there would have been a 10% funding cut. Overall funding remained similar until this year, when an unavoidable cut of circa 8% happened. (The overall education budget has been kept more or less the same, but some schools have had some of their funding removed and given to other schools).


The upshot of that is that there will be quite a few redundancies, several cancelled courses in sixth form and a merger of the sixth form with another school to save money. Also we're not getting any new classroom computers this year, meaning that the oldest IT rooms will now have 7-year-old PCs - and they weren't very good back then.


We also have a growing mobile village (10 and counting) as due to the population boom there are more pupils than ever. There's no money to build new classrooms.


If that carries on for the next 5 years it's not going to be a pretty sight....


Originally Posted by: Retron 


Given levels of mass migration, combined with higher birthrates, I concede that funding is going to be an issue going forward.


What I was referring to is the drive for standards and rigour in the education system.


New world order coming.
Brian Gaze
12 May 2015 08:38:46

Cameron is preparing the most radical, reforming, transformative Queen's Speech in a generation. Anybody who expects more of the same, will be in for a shock.
Welfare will be changed beyond recognition - young people with no work experience will lose their benefits completely, unless they go into work, training, education or apprenticeship - it will be the end of the great unwashed. This is brilliant, because it will end the idea that it is possible to start out on a life on benefits.
The EU is going to be in for a shock - they will be confronted with a list of clear, concise and dramatic demands if the UK is to remain a member.
The Constitution is going to be shaken up, but the precise end result is hard to see, because of having to deal with the Scottish and English questions, plus the House of Lords is a complete mess which needs sorting out.
Education is going to continue on the same direction of travel as in the Coalition, liberating Heads from local council busybodies.
The NHS is an issue. Cameron knows they cannot alter the fundamentals of the NHS, but if it is to survive, it needs to become much more efficient - a tough nut to crack.

This will be a transformed Cameron Government, freed from having to keep a coalition partner with very different ideas on board.

Originally Posted by: Maunder Minimum 


 Two thumbs up from me. I'll wait to see what is delivered before getting too excited. 


Brian Gaze
Berkhamsted
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KevBrads1
12 May 2015 08:46:37


 


Yep, I thought that Nick Clegg made a reasonable case for people to vote LibDem during the campaign, but clearly voters simply blanked him out.


Originally Posted by: Maunder Minimum 


The LibDems as soon they went into coalition shattered that fragile coalition of supporters they had that I mentioned before. This is the LibDems version of 1983 for Labour and Tories for 1997. They have gone down to basically their core support.


 


As far  back as 3 years ago this story proved fairly accurate.


http://www.standard.co.uk/panewsfeeds/lib-dem-poll-massacre-survey-shock-7646726.html


 


MANCHESTER SUMMER INDEX for 2021: 238
Timelapses, old weather forecasts and natural phenomena videos can be seen on this site
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The Beast from the East
12 May 2015 12:22:22


 


 Two thumbs up from me. I'll wait to see what is delivered before getting too excited. 


Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 


Yes, I think Maunder just cut and pasted the latest Downing Street press release!


 


"We have some alternative facts for you"
Kelly-Ann Conway - special adviser to the President
Maunder Minimum
12 May 2015 12:25:37


 


Yes, I think Maunder just cut and pasted the latest Downing Street press release!


 


Originally Posted by: The Beast from the East 


Nope - all my own work.


New world order coming.
The Beast from the East
12 May 2015 14:47:33


 


Nope - all my own work.


Originally Posted by: Maunder Minimum 


You will enjoy this


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/men/the-filter/11597174/Ten-things-that-will-be-better-under-the-Tories-if-youre-not-a-Tory.html


"3. It’s easier to be a metropolitan elitist.


If you live in one of those small islands of red in a sea of blue, chances are you live in a city amongst educated, cultured, high-minded people like yourself. Chances are you tend to look down on the Ford Focus-driving, Tesco-shopping, Sky-watching masses in their cookie-cutter suburban cul-de-sacs. Chances are you used to feel a bit a bit bad about this. Well, now is the time to set your inner intellectual snob free, and rant about those dumb rubes who barely understand the real issues and reliably vote against their self-interests. Now is the time to dust of your copy of What’s the Matter With Kansas? You may once have felt guilty about mocking the people the novelist John Niven recently described as “all you Handpumps earning 40k a year and reckoning you're a playa.” No longer."


"We have some alternative facts for you"
Kelly-Ann Conway - special adviser to the President
Maunder Minimum
12 May 2015 15:10:06


 


You will enjoy this


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/men/the-filter/11597174/Ten-things-that-will-be-better-under-the-Tories-if-youre-not-a-Tory.html


"3. It’s easier to be a metropolitan elitist.


If you live in one of those small islands of red in a sea of blue, chances are you live in a city amongst educated, cultured, high-minded people like yourself. Chances are you tend to look down on the Ford Focus-driving, Tesco-shopping, Sky-watching masses in their cookie-cutter suburban cul-de-sacs. Chances are you used to feel a bit a bit bad about this. Well, now is the time to set your inner intellectual snob free, and rant about those dumb rubes who barely understand the real issues and reliably vote against their self-interests. Now is the time to dust of your copy of What’s the Matter With Kansas? You may once have felt guilty about mocking the people the novelist John Niven recently described as “all you Handpumps earning 40k a year and reckoning you're a playa.” No longer."


Originally Posted by: The Beast from the East 


And you will enjoy this:


http://labour-uncut.co.uk/2015/05/10/6080#


Dates from 2010, but just as relevant today:


"But there is an arrogance at the heart of our (Labour) politics that is going to make it difficult to really understand why we lost. It is an arrogance that says that we alone own morality and that we alone want the best for people. It says that our instincts and our motives alone are pure.  It’s an arrogance that belittles others’ fears and concerns as “isms” whilst raising ours as righteous. We then mistakenly define ourselves as being distinctive from our opponents because we are morally superior rather than because we have different diagnoses and solutions. It is lazy, wrong and politically dangerous."


New world order coming.
Perthite1
12 May 2015 15:11:18

Cameron is preparing the most radical, reforming, transformative Queen's Speech in a generation. Anybody who expects more of the same, will be in for a shock.
Welfare will be changed beyond recognition - young people with no work experience will lose their benefits completely, unless they go into work, training, education or apprenticeship - it will be the end of the great unwashed. This is brilliant, because it will end the idea that it is possible to start out on a life on benefits.
The EU is going to be in for a shock - they will be confronted with a list of clear, concise and dramatic demands if the UK is to remain a member.
The Constitution is going to be shaken up, but the precise end result is hard to see, because of having to deal with the Scottish and English questions, plus the House of Lords is a complete mess which needs sorting out.
Education is going to continue on the same direction of travel as in the Coalition, liberating Heads from local council busybodies.
The NHS is an issue. Cameron knows they cannot alter the fundamentals of the NHS, but if it is to survive, it needs to become much more efficient - a tough nut to crack.

This will be a transformed Cameron Government, freed from having to keep a coalition partner with very different ideas on board.

Originally Posted by: Maunder Minimum 


 


Yes, I think I agree that the Tories are going to really put the boot in. So, it will be very interesting to see how this next 5 years will work out. There are huge economic threats out there that might appear in the next 5 years as well, the GFC has not been sorted, Infact there is an even bigger economic explosion threatening. Fascinating times. If I was 15 and from a lower or middle class background....fack I would be worried. 


 


 

Maunder Minimum
12 May 2015 15:15:17


Another great quote from that article:


"7. If you’re a high-earner, or a own a big home, you win anyway.


You still get the tax cuts and your house still goes up £100 a day. It’s true that this may hurt your redistributive, socialist soul, but there’s no denying that more money is better than less money and it’s not like you voted for it, is it? So actually, you get the dough without the guilt. There’s a valuable life lesson here too: when you’re rich, even the consolation prizes are pretty sweet."


 


New world order coming.
Brian Gaze
12 May 2015 16:07:53


Yes, I think I agree that the Tories are going to really put the boot in. So, it will be very interesting to see how this next 5 years will work out. There are huge economic threats out there that might appear in the next 5 years as well, the GFC has not been sorted, Infact there is an even bigger economic explosion threatening. Fascinating times. If I was 15 and from a lower or middle class background....fack I would be worried. 


Originally Posted by: Perthite1 


They may or may not. The big mistake a lot of people make is equating fiat currencies with the wealth of the nation. The link is at best tenuous. 90% of the debt in existence could probably be concertinaed without catastrophic consequences.


Brian Gaze
Berkhamsted
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"I'm not socialist, I know that. I don't believe in sharing my money." - Gary Numan
eastcoaster
12 May 2015 16:47:31


 


 


Yes, I think I agree that the Tories are going to really put the boot in. So, it will be very interesting to see how this next 5 years will work out. There are huge economic threats out there that might appear in the next 5 years as well, the GFC has not been sorted, Infact there is an even bigger economic explosion threatening. Fascinating times. If I was 15 and from a lower or middle class background....fack I would be worried. 


 


 


Originally Posted by: Perthite1 

Why are you bothered? You live in Australia in one of its wealthiest cities and clearly identify as a Perthite. I have little time for the opinions of ex-pats whether they be right or left, in fact I find it odd how so many people I know who have moved to Australia and seem more than happy to live under Abbot, spend so much time exclaiming what a disaster the UK GE was! 


On the issue of ex-pats has Paul O'Grady made good his promise to feck off Venice if the Tories won?

NickR
12 May 2015 17:16:41
I see the Tory govt is already showing the effect of not having the moderating effect of the Lib Dems. The scandalous rewriting of strike laws, making the requirements for calling a strike tougher than those for winning a general election, is going ahead. More siding with employers over the workers.
Nick
Durham
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