SNP planning insurrection in Scotland:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3082449/SNP-plot-unofficial-second-referendum-Plan-hold-vote-without-PM-s-approval-Cameron-Sturgeon-meet-talks-today.html

My view
Should something like this go ahead the outcome could be disastrous. An unofficial 'yes' vote which wasn't accepted by Westminster would probably lead to British troops being deployed on the streets of Scotland. God help us.

Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 

SNP planning insurrection in Scotland:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3082449/SNP-plot-unofficial-second-referendum-Plan-hold-vote-without-PM-s-approval-Cameron-Sturgeon-meet-talks-today.html

My view
Should something like this go ahead the outcome could be disastrous. An unofficial 'yes' vote which wasn't accepted by Westminster would probably lead to British troops being deployed on the streets of Scotland. God help us.

Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 

Sadly, Dave won't make a sufficient pig's ear of the 're-negotiations' for Brexit to occur, thereby lessening the chances of Wee Jimmy Krankie leading the Picts out of the Union, which in turn will mean England continuing to be bled dry politically and economically.

Originally Posted by: SEMerc 

I think you are right, but to be honest if Dave manages to get some particular concessions, I shall vote to remain in the EU, since it is crucial to attracting the levels of inward investment required to keep the UK economy ticking over. However, I have red lines and these are mine:

1. UK to opt out of "Ever closer union", this to be enshrined in law.


2. UK to have total control over immigration and asylum (which should be scrapped in any case), with the exception of free movement to work.


3. On free movement - only for work and not for benefits (including in-work benefits such as tax credits).


4. Complete independence from the EU and all its works concerning justice and home affairs.


5. Outside of any notion of EU army or common foreign policy (trade negotiations excepted).


6. Reform of CAP.


7. Progress on single market in services - I know personally that the UK loses out because of this.

Naturally, I would love the UK to regain control of its own fishing grounds, but this is unlikely to be achievable. Would also like us to exit the disgusting European Arrest Warrant, but Dave has already sold out on that one.

Originally Posted by: Maunder Minimum 

I think you are right, but to be honest if Dave manages to get some particular concessions, I shall vote to remain in the EU, since it is crucial to attracting the levels of inward investment required to keep the UK economy ticking over. However, I have red lines and these are mine:

1. UK to opt out of "Ever closer union", this to be enshrined in law.


2. UK to have total control over immigration and asylum (which should be scrapped in any case), with the exception of free movement to work.


3. On free movement - only for work and not for benefits (including in-work benefits such as tax credits).


4. Complete independence from the EU and all its works concerning justice and home affairs.


5. Outside of any notion of EU army or common foreign policy (trade negotiations excepted).


6. Reform of CAP.


7. Progress on single market in services - I know personally that the UK loses out because of this.

Naturally, I would love the UK to regain control of its own fishing grounds, but this is unlikely to be achievable. Would also like us to exit the disgusting European Arrest Warrant, but Dave has already sold out on that one.

Originally Posted by: Maunder Minimum 

There are absolutely no circumstances in which I would vote to stay in. For me, the 'renegotiations' are a waste of time. We should go straight to a vote.

Originally Posted by: SEMerc 

SNP planning insurrection in Scotland:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3082449/SNP-plot-unofficial-second-referendum-Plan-hold-vote-without-PM-s-approval-Cameron-Sturgeon-meet-talks-today.html

My view
Should something like this go ahead the outcome could be disastrous. An unofficial 'yes' vote which wasn't accepted by Westminster would probably lead to British troops being deployed on the streets of Scotland. God help us.

Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 

Farage suggests what is happening is a Tory led attempt to destabilise UKIP:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-32761766 

Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 

Pickles to be Sir Eric. Does anyone know why he a was sacked by Cameron?

Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 

Dave needed to cut down on No 10's food bill.

Originally Posted by: SEMerc 

Pickles to be Sir Eric. Does anyone know why he a was sacked by Cameron?

Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 

Pickles to be Sir Eric. Does anyone know why he a was sacked by Cameron?

Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 

Dave needed to cut down on No 10's food bill.

Originally Posted by: SEMerc 

Barracuda did actually say what she was reported to have said. Well, she got what she wanted. Arguably best case scenario for the Nats. A hated Tory government to blame everything on and further the cause of independence.

Originally Posted by: The Beast from the East 

What is the problem with the Left?

Following the election, they organised pointless protests about the result - they may as well have protested about the weather.

Then we have this unseemly incident  - a duly elected MP being treated to shocking treatment by the rabble of great unwashed:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/ukip/11637023/A-Left-wing-mob-tried-to-assault-me-in-broad-daylight.-What-made-them-so-angry.html

"... what unsettled me most was not their ski masks, the personal slurs or the threats of violence. It was the blinkered self-righteousness of this Left-wing mob. In their twisted world view, they saw themselves as the good guys. 

Austerity, according to the Left, is the ultimate evil. The Tories are scum – and Ukip even worse.

Best not mention the fact that millions of their fellow Brits had just voted in favour of government balancing the books. The Conservatives may have won a general election for the first time in 23 years – something, in fact, I did my best to prevent – but to the Left, this is intolerable. It’s an affront to their deluded idea of justice.

But by what logic do anti-austerity protesters attack an MP waiting at a bus stop who, it just so happened, had turned down a quarter of a million pounds of tax payer money the week before?

The Left, I can only conclude, is no longer driven by either logic or reason. It’s all about the expression of emotion. And so long as you do it holding an anti-austerity placard, its not thuggery – it’s a protest. Provided your target is Ukip, it is not mob violence – but to use the BBC’s expression – it’s a confrontation."

Quite!

Originally Posted by: Maunder Minimum 

So use a small incident with a particularly militant group and from that extrapolate a twisted thesis about "the Left" as a whole? Is this what passes for considered analysis these days?

Originally Posted by: NickR 

Whenever a bunch of people start behaving grossly, it is always decreed that they are somehow "unrepresentative". We hear the same nonsense, whether it is the behaviour of Islamists (who of course don't represent Islam) or a leftist rabble (who of course don't represent the left).

Originally Posted by: Maunder Minimum