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doctormog
27 December 2015 20:04:53


 


I quite agree David but when easterlies are concerned in the UK it's never too clever to smell the coffee prior to 48hrs before. A step backwards in general today I think, but still a small chance of a cold shot nonetheless. In the meantime more rain this week for areas that could do without it. 


Originally Posted by: JACKO4EVER 


I would agree with all that excwpt for the step backward bit. The signs are as strong if not stronger than before. Still a lower probability option but as the days go by and the timescale gets closer that probability gets stronger.


As for right now, it is nice to look at and any cold spell that comes to fruition has to start somewhere. At least it's nice to have something to discuss that's not endless mild unsettled muck.


Jason H
27 December 2015 20:09:15


 


I quite agree David but when easterlies are concerned in the UK it's never too clever to smell the coffee prior to 48hrs before. A step backwards in general today I think, but still a small chance of a cold shot nonetheless. In the meantime more rain this week for areas that could do without it. 


Originally Posted by: JACKO4EVER 


 


Nice try. Whilst not a certain, a change to a colder outlook is a step forward, not backwards. But you're certainly correct about the rainfall next week. Those areas could do with the change some of the models are showing.


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27 December 2015 20:10:50

Impressive consistency for what I think is the fundamental building block of this pattern change, i.e the block north of central Siberia.


ECM 12z 24 Dec:



And the same chart tonight, three days later:



The only real difference appears to be that it's even yellower over Novaya Zemlya, and we see the first hint of an undercut. 


With this level of consistency I'd be confident at least for some decent respite from euroslugs and tropical south-westerlies


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The Beast from the East
27 December 2015 20:43:01
The favoured option remains the block stays too far away and we end up with stalling Atlantic systems. Lots of cold rain. Until the longer range Meto updates change I am not interested
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Stormchaser
27 December 2015 20:46:13


A bit crude this, but you can see the trends in the ECMF and GEFS output over the past few days (25th in red, 26th purple, 27th usual colours).


GEFS shot up yesterday and has maintained its stance today. ECMF has steadily trended upward with the amplification.


UKMO suddenly fell off a cliff yesterday but has turned around and edged back up a little again today.


 


The greater easterly promise has coincided well with this in the case of ECM's op runs, less so with GFS but there may be progressive bias issues there.


I'm not convinced that we're really going to score big the first time around, but a glancing affair with the stage set for further bites of the cherry seems a reasonable punt. So often wet and windy for the first week or so of Jan with a couple of cold snowy days possible for the northeast, otherwise temps oscillating around average - perhaps a bit above in the south(west).


That theme is what I'm seeing in loose terms at the moment, but if the MJO outlooks continue to amplify further in phase 7 then a greater influence from the east will become more plausible IMO.


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White Meadows
27 December 2015 20:49:05



A bit crude this, but you can see the trends in the ECMF and GEFS output over the past few days (25th in red, 26th purple, 27th usual colours).


GEFS shot up yesterday and has maintained its stance today. ECMF has steadily trended upward with the amplification.


UKMO suddenly fell off a cliff yesterday but has turned around and edged back up a little again today.


 


The greater easterly promise has coincided well with this in the case of ECM's op runs, less so with GFS but there may be progressive bias issues there.


I'm not convinced that we're really going to score big the first time around, but a glancing affair with the stage set for further bites of the cherry seems a reasonable punt. So often wet and windy for the first week or so of Jan with a couple of cold snowy days possible for the northeast, otherwise temps oscillating around average - perhaps a bit above in the south(west).


That theme is what I'm seeing in loose terms at the moment, but if the MJO outlooks continue to amplify further in phase 7 then a greater influence from the east will become more plausible IMO.


Originally Posted by: Stormchaser 

thanks..  In summary then, disappointing.

JACKO4EVER
27 December 2015 20:55:51


 


I would agree with all that excwpt for the step backward bit. The signs are as strong if not stronger than before. Still a lower probability option but as the days go by and the timescale gets closer that probability gets stronger.


As for right now, it is nice to look at and any cold spell that comes to fruition has to start somewhere. At least it's nice to have something to discuss that's not endless mild unsettled muck.


Originally Posted by: doctormog 


yes your right as regards timescale, some of this is inching closer to the more reliable periods, however as always we have to urge caution with easterlies. The NH view though is quite revealing, the vortex under all sorts of pressure and with some good doses of WAA- for sure someone is going to get a real blast of winter at some point. Wether that's us, Greece or some other exotic place remains to be seen. 

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27 December 2015 21:02:57

Some reasonable cross model consistency in the overall pattern in the 240h NH charts tonight, with some decent northern blocking, expansion of the PFJ with high pressure belts being pushed south of us. We in Blighty might not get anything particularly special out of this in this time frame but there can be little denying that there looks to be a major pattern change on the agenda.





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Gooner
27 December 2015 22:12:52


18Z GFS goes back to its plan as shown on the 6z and has the LP further South


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Gooner
27 December 2015 22:16:28

http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rtavn304.gif


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rtavn724.gif


 


More rain where we just don't need it


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Karl Guille
27 December 2015 22:24:33



18Z GFS goes back to its plan as shown on the 6z and has the LP further South


Originally Posted by: Gooner 


but we end up in pretty much the same place as the 12z with the colder uppers heading for Shetland as the low fails to undercut south-east into France! 


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Gooner
27 December 2015 22:26:37


Less of a fight from the HP on this run, look at the Atlantic , I fear the North will see more repeats of the flooding


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Gusty
27 December 2015 22:27:59

Fascinating model watching. In my opinion the WAA is so strong and effective that it is promoting High Pressure over Scandinavia but maybe a tad further north based on today's trends.


The undecut is still in the minority but it is still a perfectly plausible outcome. This evenings run so far have halted the growing probability of an easterly but not reduced it. Maintaining this around 10-15%.


Its pointless talking specifics at this stage but based on today's NWP I would be quietly optimistic for a snow event if I lived in the NE but perhaps more concerned about a possible rainfest further south and west.


 


 


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Gooner
27 December 2015 22:28:37

http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rtavn1804.gif


The rain just continues



Very unsettled


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Fothergill
27 December 2015 22:30:33

What's a bit disconcerting is the signal for heights to the NE to slowly drain away E, leaving us on a knife-edge with regards to holding back the Atlantic from swamping us. 


ECM ens mean shows not much of a block by day 8 as does the other NWP. So I think some battleground snow events are possibility (if the Gods smile on us) which would suit me nicely, but it's going to be very difficult to hold back the Atlantic for long IMHO. But we'll see, interesting model watching anyway.


Karl Guille
27 December 2015 22:37:01
GFS at 192 is fairly similar to the ECM 12z with the cold out to our north-east and a general south-easterly wind but will the cold head south-west at 216 and 240 a la ECM?
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Brian Gaze
27 December 2015 22:38:40

GFS18z still looking reasonably mild at 213:



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Gooner
27 December 2015 22:40:39



Cold and Raw


 


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Gooner
27 December 2015 22:42:45


GFS18z still looking reasonably mild at 213:



Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 


Mild????  Really


 



Looks chilly to me


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Gooner
27 December 2015 22:45:54



Very different to what we have seen for the last few weeks


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squish
27 December 2015 22:46:56
It will be a lot colder in a weeks time, that's for sure- but cold rain and gales with temps of 2-4 in the north (mountain snow) and 6-8 in the south. Further major flooding looks likely.

I think that 72/96 hours ago the set-up that is evolving would have seemed very unlikely to many, despite its occasional appearance in some model runs. In fact the WAA looks set to be so intense that the high is much further North than being modelled 24 hrs ago, and hence the atlantic is much more dominant for the UK. A slight shift back south would leave the north east at significant risk of some wintry weather- and to that extent I'm surprised the UKMO forecast hasn't reflected on this yet- although a careful reading of it may be closer to the current model consensus than many think.

Anyway 18z more of the same...
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tallyho_83
27 December 2015 22:47:35


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rtavn1804.gif


The rain just continues



Very unsettled


Originally Posted by: Gooner 


 


Where the infamous and stereotypical "New Year, old weather!" quote springs to mind!! LOL.


But hope for a change - these poor people up in flooded areas too!!


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Karl Guille
27 December 2015 22:57:25
Quite bizarre how according to the 18z GFS the extreme cold that will form thousands of miles to our south-east in the next few days will detour via Scandanavia only to briefly cross the UK from the North / North West. Does it not know that it would be far easier to approach directly from the south-east? Won't happen that way of course but still no real sign of any major cold for the UK on this run!
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squish
27 December 2015 23:04:43
12z GFS parallel had something close to a channel low. Ive been waiting a long time for Jan 1st 79' to repeat down here....

http://modeles.meteociel.fr/modeles/gfsp/runs/2015122712/gfsnh-0-240.png?12 
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squish
27 December 2015 23:16:08

On first inspection the 18z ensembles look a little more progressive at +120-144, but still some interesting scenarios. Its very much on a knife edge, and not that far out....

Control at +144


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