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doctormog
13 January 2017 18:47:16


It was this run last Friday night when ECM first suggested the possiblity of high pressure taking over again from the start of the coming week.


IMO, it is very difficult to find any faults with the way it has performed at all. It has, of nothing else, at least been pretty consistent in the past 7 days.


Originally Posted by: David M Porter 


It has David, and the changes have been steady clear evolutions from one scenario to the next. As Rob says the t850s have moderated for the coming days but at the same time the focus seems to have to higher pressure in the Greenland region.


 Edit: I await the 240hr ECM op run chart with some interest 


SEMerc
13 January 2017 18:51:24

T+216.


Are we going to get a massive high from Greenland to Europe? Or will that energy coming out of Canada scupper it?


Karl Guille
13 January 2017 18:51:32
2m temps may well prove to be a different matter but the demise of the 850hPAmtemos on the 12z GFS and now the ECM is quite remarkable!
http://www.meteociel.fr/modeles/ecmwf/runs/2017011312/ECM0-144.GIF?13-0 
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The Beast from the East
13 January 2017 18:53:30

we are better off sinking this high ASAP now and perhaps looking for GH


Very disappointing and shows how the odds are always stacked against an easterly


 


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Gooner
13 January 2017 18:53:57


tweet from MATT Hugo:


Matthew Hugo ‏@MattHugo81 14m14 minutes ago



12Z EC holding the main centre of gravity of the high next week further south meaning the colder continental flow is less likely too...



Originally Posted by: tallyho_83 



Big deal


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Rob K
13 January 2017 18:57:35
ECM still going large for the Greenland High... strange when by all accounts it is meant to be going for SW winds in the 15 dayer

http://old.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Recm2161.gif 

I suppose we could see a west-based -ve NAO set up with SW winds coming up underneath, down the line?
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SEMerc
13 January 2017 18:57:44

T+240


Nuff said.


One for the bin (because I don't like it)


Rob K
13 January 2017 18:58:56

And yes at 240 a west based -ve NAO does seem to be setting up. NAO is rapidly heading through the floor there but not in the right place for the UK apart from northern Scotland!


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doctormog
13 January 2017 18:59:00

ECM still going large for the Greenland High... strange when by all accounts it is meant to be going for SW winds in the 15 dayer

http://old.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Recm2161.gif

I suppose we could see a west-based -ve NAO set up with SW winds coming up underneath, down the line?

Originally Posted by: Rob K 


Yes that is definitely a possibility. I'm just intrigued by the changes and developments in the medium term. They may come to nothing, but on the other hand...


The Beast from the East
13 January 2017 18:59:33

oh dear, what a mess! Lets hope there are high levels of Shannon Entropy!


 


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doctormog
13 January 2017 19:00:46


T+240


Nuff said.


One for the bin (because I don't like it)



Originally Posted by: SEMerc 



P.S. it's ten days away and to be taken with lots of salt.


SEMerc
13 January 2017 19:02:06


we are better off sinking this high ASAP now and perhaps looking for GH


Very disappointing and shows how the odds are always stacked against an easterly


 


Originally Posted by: The Beast from the East 


Well the first bit has been done. As for the second bit, I entirely agree with you.

doctor snow
13 January 2017 19:03:00
Blimey must be a witch in the uk to flip the models like that something not right here
tallyho_83
13 January 2017 19:05:28
Are we ever going to get an easterly?? or are we just going to get these one or two day events that give north westerly winds for the SW...!? I mean it's hardly been cold and after last months let down in easterly - could this be another will it be another slack benign High pressure again before eventually collapsing ?

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White Meadows
13 January 2017 19:11:33
Best to give model watching a miss for a week or so.
A stinky sinker wins out again. It's like pulling teeth.

If I stuck to watching 48 hour forecasts life would be a little less painful.
Maunder Minimum
13 January 2017 19:24:47


oh dear, what a mess! Lets hope there are high levels of Shannon Entropy!


 


Originally Posted by: The Beast from the East 


Nail on the head Beast - the 12z runs from GFS and ECM are all over the place by the time they get to t+192 and I think both can be safely binned, since they are clearly clueless.


Something is up and the picture beyond t+144 will take a while to resolve itself.


New world order coming.
Gooner
13 January 2017 19:26:08

UK Outlook for Wednesday 18 Jan 2017 to Friday 27 Jan 2017:


It will be largely cloudy on Wednesday, with patchy rain in places, and colder air is expected to persist across the south. Although it will also turn drier and sunnier in the southeast in particular, north-western parts will remain cloudier and milder. Thereafter, many areas will be largely dry and fine with an increasing risk of frost and fog, with any rain and hill snow restricted to the northwest. It will feel very cold for many, especially in the south and east, with sleet or snow showers possible across eastern coastal parts. Towards the end of the period, southern areas are likely to stay largely dry but it is expected to become cloudy for most


Wrong thread but just to put some perspective on things todays update from the Met as far as two weeks out...........its hardly a bad update , cold and wintry PPN the further South and East you are .............remember last years rubbish


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Gusty
13 January 2017 19:27:07

My hunch is that the easterly will be back on tomorrow. I've seen these weird wobbles at T72 - T84 before. I'm still going for it from as early as Monday. I will even go so far as to say the mild air won't reach the far SE and attention should be drawn to a snow event on Sunday before the front pushes back west.


There..that's confidence for ya. 


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doctormog
13 January 2017 19:28:19


 


Nail on the head Beast - the 12z runs from GFS and ECM are all over the place by the time they get to t+192 and I think both can be safely binned, since they are clearly clueless.


Something is up and the picture beyond t+144 will take a while to resolve itself.


Originally Posted by: Maunder Minimum 


They are very similiar to the last few runs in the broad general pattern, especially the ECM.


doctor snow
13 January 2017 19:37:32


UK Outlook for Wednesday 18 Jan 2017 to Friday 27 Jan 2017:


It will be largely cloudy on Wednesday, with patchy rain in places, and colder air is expected to persist across the south. Although it will also turn drier and sunnier in the southeast in particular, north-western parts will remain cloudier and milder. Thereafter, many areas will be largely dry and fine with an increasing risk of frost and fog, with any rain and hill snow restricted to the northwest. It will feel very cold for many, especially in the south and east, with sleet or snow showers possible across eastern coastal parts. Towards the end of the period, southern areas are likely to stay largely dry but it is expected to become cloudy for most


Wrong thread but just to put some perspective on things todays update from the Met as far as two weeks out...........its hardly a bad update , cold and wintry PPN the further South and East you are .............remember last years rubbish


Originally Posted by: Gooner 

they will change that on next update to a milder outcome 

Hippydave
13 January 2017 19:38:21

Interesting flicking through the 12z GFS just how little oomph the jet has for our neck of the woods later on:



There's really not a lot going on at all until right at the end of the run where it looks like a stronger pulse might head out towards us.


Would suggest fairly slow changes in the weather, so what you get might last a while.


That ECM 240 chart also looks okay to me - very cold for Scotland and again not far off being very good for all of us, with a nudge and some luck a day or two down the line.


 


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doctor snow
13 January 2017 19:41:47


Interesting flicking through the 12z GFS just how little oomph the jet has for our neck of the woods later on:



There's really not a lot going on at all until right at the end of the run where it looks like a stronger pulse might head out towards us.


Would suggest fairly slow changes in the weather, so what you get might last a while.


That ECM 240 chart also looks okay to me - very cold for Scotland and again not far off being very good for all of us, with a nudge and some luck a day or two down the line.


 


Originally Posted by: Hippydave 

you have got to be joking 240 uv got to be looking at 72 hours at moment 

Karl Guille
13 January 2017 19:45:12


My hunch is that the easterly will be back on tomorrow. I've seen these weird wobbles at T72 - T84 before. I'm still going for it from as early as Monday. I will even go so far as to say the mild air won't reach the far SE and attention should be drawn to a snow event on Sunday before the front pushes back west.


There..that's confidence for ya. 


Originally Posted by: Gusty 


i admire your optimism and I sincerely hope you're right. I must say that the switch on the 12z was quite dramatic despite the recent trend for the high pressure system to sink  slightly further south. Like a fool I will keep on watching the charts until the bitter end!


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Guernsey
Gooner
13 January 2017 19:47:29


they will change that on next update to a milder outcome 


Originally Posted by: doctor snow 


Just out of curiosity do the Met Office pay well?


Whilst you are looking for your pay slip can you post the set of charts that  brings you to that conclusion ?


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Phil G
13 January 2017 19:51:53


My hunch is that the easterly will be back on tomorrow. I've seen these weird wobbles at T72 - T84 before. I'm still going for it from as early as Monday. I will even go so far as to say the mild air won't reach the far SE and attention should be drawn to a snow event on Sunday before the front pushes back west.


There..that's confidence for ya. 


Originally Posted by: Gusty 


The beeb suggested things cooling down again next week with weather from the east, though it seems sometimes their broadcasts haven't picked up the latest rounds of data.


You would hope they do provide the freshest information, so with that in mind who would bet against a flip back. Plenty of flipping lately.

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