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turbotubbs
23 February 2018 09:41:07


 


 


Warnings have been released - yellow ones for Monday and Tuesday


Originally Posted by: speckledjim 

I know but people are complaining that they are only for the East, and not for the whole country...

Rob K
23 February 2018 09:41:53


 


My first instinct is that sounds ridiculous, so I'd love to read more about that if there's any links?


One for another thread maybe.


Originally Posted by: John p 


When was the Tom Presutti ice age meant to begin?


Yateley, NE Hampshire, 73m asl
"But who wants to be foretold the weather? It is bad enough when it comes, without our having the misery of knowing about it beforehand." — Jerome K. Jerome
squish
23 February 2018 09:42:27
06z ICON looking very cold ...
D.E.W on Dartmoor. 300m asl
Polar Vortex
23 February 2018 09:43:00
The Met office warning for the south east on Monday and Tuesday are still regarded as unlikely at the moment, according to their 'Warning Impact Matrix' mainly because it is still a bit early for them to know exactly where the snow will fall, that's the reason the Met office apps still don't show a lot of snow for next week. I'd expect that to change by Sunday when confidence will increase.
Thetford
Norfolk
ASL: 45 m or 148 ft
DEW
  • DEW
  • Advanced Member
23 February 2018 09:43:38


 


In the 80s I was sent home early from school on a number of days due to snow and ice. I'm not expecting a repeat next week. 😀


Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 


Tip for head teachers etc; in the 1980s when there was a heavy snowfall and the boys were arriving piecemeal due to transport problems, I organised a snowman competition to keep their minds off snowballing. The competition was won hands down by the L6 Art A level group who produced a very tasteful female nude draped round the sundial in the quad. I didn't like to ask how they managed to make it so lifelike 


War does not determine who is right, only who is left - Bertrand Russell

Chichester 12m asl
turbotubbs
23 February 2018 09:43:48


 


In the 80s I was sent home early from school on a number of days due to snow and ice. I'm not expecting a repeat next week. 😀


Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 

We do get sent home from the Uni (technically where possible to 'work from home', which I interpret as 'play in the snow') usually when the buses stop getting up Bathwick Hill (about 150 of grinding ascent from the City centre). We also have a nice alert system - if the Uni is closed it posts up on the main website... Always a good day!

sizzle
23 February 2018 09:45:48

GP morning update


Colder air starts to move into the country from the east on Sunday. There could be a few light snow showers on the east coast but otherwise it's a dry, sunny but increasingly cold weekend!


By Monday the Scandinavian High - The Beast From The East - Will be sending bitterly cold easterly winds our way. With the air having it's origins in Siberia obviously it will be very cold with severe windchill and heavy snow developing through the week.


Monday will be a mainly dry and sunny day in the west. Eastern regions will have snow showers and these snow showers will start to push inland on Monday afternoon. We could see accumulations of snow in some eastern regions by the end of Monday afternoon.


A more prolonged period of snow could push in from the east on Monday night and through Tuesday. The temperatures then become even colder with most places seeing temperatures staying around 0c all day and a severe windchill is likely.


The Big Freeze intensifies further on Wednesday with an "ice day" likely for most of us. Central and eastern areas will have more heavy snow showers which could merge into longer spells of snow in places. Significant disruption to road and transport systems seems very probable by the middle of the week.


The later stages of next week is very uncertain. The weather looks set to stay very cold but low pressure edging up from the south might bring England and Wales prolonged periods of heavy snow and blizzards. Severe disruptive weather would be probably although eventually somewhat less cold air could arrive in the south.

polarwind
23 February 2018 09:46:03


 


Will it? You seem very sure. Do you have some evidence only this didn't happen after 2010 or even 1963.


Originally Posted by: fairweather 

What do you think will happen if spring is put back a month over continental Europe?


Brian makes the connection; others too. 


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Dave,Derby
Polar Vortex
23 February 2018 09:46:43

GFS rolling out and the High seems a bit stronger on this run so far compared to the 0z.


 


Edit: Seems to bring in the cold a few hours earlier on Sunday.


Thetford
Norfolk
ASL: 45 m or 148 ft
SEMerc
23 February 2018 09:46:57


 


It could be milder, it could be colder. It could be an anomalous event and there is no perceptible change in the next decade.


Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 


Well that covers all eventualities.

Rob K
23 February 2018 09:47:34

06z ICON looking very cold ...

Originally Posted by: squish 


ICON looks like repeating the last run trend of cutting off the easterly flow as a trough bisects the high to the north. Not sure I like that development. We end up with a very short window of true easterlies before it goes northeasterly and the high wanders off to Greenland. Still very cold but it will be a shame if we end up with such a watered down version of the beast. 


Hopefully GFS doesn't go that route. 


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"But who wants to be foretold the weather? It is bad enough when it comes, without our having the misery of knowing about it beforehand." — Jerome K. Jerome
Joe Bloggs
23 February 2018 09:55:17


It's not about the warnings as such but more the way the automated forecasts seem a long way adrift of what the models are showing.

As I said, anyone looking at the BBC forecast for the week ahead here will be expecting a cold week but only a couple of degrees colder than today for the most part.

The forecast high today is 5C, and then for Monday to Saturday next week it goes 3,3,1,2,3,6 and less than 20% chance of precipitation throughout.

People on here say the automated output is useless but why does the BBC use it, and more importantly what model is feeding it because it doesn't look like any of the output we are looking at.

If you tell anybody to expect a notable cold spell and then they check the BBC weather they will laugh at you because as it stands the forecast shows a fine and dry week with two cold days in the middle.


The Met Office output may be a little more on the money with a max of -1C by Wednesday.


Originally Posted by: Rob K 


The BBC automated forecasts are driven by the EPS (they formally used MetO/MOGREPS)


The temps have consistently looked too high and I would ignore. 


Also automated forecasts are crap at picking up convective precipitation, always have been. They will improve once you get into the range of 48 hours ahead. 


The best of a bad bunch is the MetO app.


 



Manchester City Centre, 31m ASL

Justin W
23 February 2018 09:57:04


 


ICON looks like repeating the last run trend of cutting off the easterly flow as a trough bisects the high to the north. Not sure I like that development. We end up with a very short window of true easterlies before it goes northeasterly and the high wanders off to Greenland. Still very cold but it will be a shame if we end up with such a watered down version of the beast. 


Hopefully GFS doesn't go that route. 


Originally Posted by: Rob K 


You worry way too much 



Yo yo yo. 148-3 to the 3 to the 6 to the 9, representing the ABQ, what up, biatch?
polarwind
23 February 2018 09:57:49


 


Good point - given the way the sun has been behaving over the past decade, we may be on the cusp of finding out what caused the Little Ice Age. The added complication these days is the pattern interference caused by AGW.


Originally Posted by: Maunder Minimum 

Yes, that is a complication.


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"If climate science is sound and accurate, then it should be able to respond effectively to all the points raised…." - Grandad
"The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves, and wiser people so full of doubts". - Bertrand Russell
"Science is the belief in the ignorance of the experts" – Richard Feynman
"A consensus means that everyone agrees to say collectively what no one believes individually.”- Abba Eban, Israeli diplomat
Dave,Derby
backtobasics
23 February 2018 09:58:58
looks like everything shuffled a little south on this 6Z or am i guilty of over analysing ?
polarwind
23 February 2018 10:01:13


 


When was the Tom Presutti ice age meant to begin?


Originally Posted by: Rob K 


Good question.


Edit: I think it was about now, or 2020 maybe?


"The professional standards of science must impose a framework of discipline and at the same time encourage rebellion against it". – Michael Polyani (1962)
"If climate science is sound and accurate, then it should be able to respond effectively to all the points raised…." - Grandad
"The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves, and wiser people so full of doubts". - Bertrand Russell
"Science is the belief in the ignorance of the experts" – Richard Feynman
"A consensus means that everyone agrees to say collectively what no one believes individually.”- Abba Eban, Israeli diplomat
Dave,Derby
David M Porter
23 February 2018 10:01:37


 


Are you still at school?


Originally Posted by: Justin W 



I was in 4th year of high school in early 1995 aged 15, and left school in summer 1997.


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Rob K
23 February 2018 10:01:49


 


You worry way too much 



Originally Posted by: Justin W 


ICON has for two or three runs shown the true easterly lasting no more than about 36 hours and then switching to a more northerly feed. Fortunately it seem so to be out on its own in that respect. 


By T120 it is very different from any of the others and in comparison to other output a bit of a shocker. 


 


http://www.meteociel.fr/modeles/icone_cartes.php


Yateley, NE Hampshire, 73m asl
"But who wants to be foretold the weather? It is bad enough when it comes, without our having the misery of knowing about it beforehand." — Jerome K. Jerome
polarwind
23 February 2018 10:02:39


 


Tip for head teachers etc; in the 1980s when there was a heavy snowfall and the boys were arriving piecemeal due to transport problems, I organised a snowman competition to keep their minds off snowballing. The competition was won hands down by the L6 Art A level group who produced a very tasteful female nude draped round the sundial in the quad. I didn't like to ask how they managed to make it so lifelike 


Originally Posted by: DEW 

 brilliant.


"The professional standards of science must impose a framework of discipline and at the same time encourage rebellion against it". – Michael Polyani (1962)
"If climate science is sound and accurate, then it should be able to respond effectively to all the points raised…." - Grandad
"The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves, and wiser people so full of doubts". - Bertrand Russell
"Science is the belief in the ignorance of the experts" – Richard Feynman
"A consensus means that everyone agrees to say collectively what no one believes individually.”- Abba Eban, Israeli diplomat
Dave,Derby
Charmhills
23 February 2018 10:02:47

Stunning set of run again this morning.


After a cold and frosty night.


Loughborough, EM.

Knowledge is power, ignorance is weakness.

Duane.
Tim A
23 February 2018 10:07:25

THe GFS 6Z to 126 hour is fine/ the same/ stunning etc, no need to worry.


https://images.meteociel.fr/im/4632/gfs-0-126_vid0.png




As for Icon, the chances of it being right at 120hours are very low. Check all other output. There is a trend to pull the high north.


Tim
NW Leeds
187m asl

 My PWS 
Polar Vortex
23 February 2018 10:11:13
On this 06z GFS run, the -15 850's reach the east coast by next Wednesday lunchtime and reach wales 9 hours later.
Thetford
Norfolk
ASL: 45 m or 148 ft
The Beast from the East
23 February 2018 10:13:55

EC op was a cold outlier and most members pushing the Biscay low up to end the cold spell in the south


Could be a brief affair for the south


 


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SEMerc
23 February 2018 10:14:23

Could be wrong but it looks to me as if the 06Z is going the way of the 00Z in terms of bringing in milder air from the south.

Justin W
23 February 2018 10:14:30


THe GFS 6Z to 126 hour is fine/ the same/ stunning etc, no need to worry.


https://images.meteociel.fr/im/4632/gfs-0-126_vid0.png




As for Icon, the chances of it being right at 120hours are very low. Check all other output. There is a trend to pull the high north.


Originally Posted by: Tim A 


Our LP coming in from the SW Approaches looks to be modelled to run a tad further south and has a different angle of attack on the 06z to my eye making a marginal situation in the South later next week less likely.


 


00z



 


06z



 


Yo yo yo. 148-3 to the 3 to the 6 to the 9, representing the ABQ, what up, biatch?
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