Putting someone on a icu ventilator is something that should not and is not  taken lightly as it comes with the risk of ventilator assisted phenomena (vap) my son had this it is caused by invasion of the lower respiratory tract and lung parenchyma by microorganisms via the ventilator tube it’s a huge risk in its own right.

Originally Posted by: Polar Low 

Life Care says a patient can go from NO coronavirus symptoms to dead in a few hours. #COVID19 has Spanish Flu 2.0 all written all over it.

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Originally Posted by: Gavin D 

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This is what the WHO report on China says:

"Severe cases are defined as tachypnoea (≧30 breaths/ min) or oxygen saturation ≤93% at rest, or PaO2/FIO2 <300 mmHg. Critical cases are defined as respiratory failure requiring mechanical ventilation, shock or other organ failure that requires intensive care. About a quarter of severe and critical cases require mechanical ventilation while the remaining 75% require only oxygen supplementation."

The Chinese used Extra Corporeal Membrane Oxygenation (ECMO) with relatively good results, but the WHO says that this is very resource consuming.

Originally Posted by: xioni2 

Life Care says a patient can go from NO coronavirus symptoms to dead in a few hours. COVID19 has Spanish Flu 2.0 all written all over it.

Originally Posted by: Gavin D 

This is what the WHO report on China says:

"Severe cases are defined as tachypnoea (≧30 breaths/ min) or oxygen saturation ≤93% at rest, or PaO2/FIO2 <300 mmHg. Critical cases are defined as respiratory failure requiring mechanical ventilation, shock or other organ failure that requires intensive care. About a quarter of severe and critical cases require mechanical ventilation while the remaining 75% require only oxygen supplementation."

The Chinese used Extra Corporeal Membrane Oxygenation (ECMO) with relatively good results, but the WHO says that this is very resource consuming.

Originally Posted by: xioni2 

 We have an ageing population, and to some degree it’s devastating the risk this virus poses. The elderly and immune compromised are still people, and it feels like they are just being dismissed. 

Originally Posted by: Heavy Weather 2013 

This.

Originally Posted by: John p 

While younger people may not succumb like the older generation they will still be knocked off their feet. The damage to the economy and productivity is going to be significant. 

Originally Posted by: Heavy Weather 2013 

the patient had significant underlying health conditions.

Originally Posted by: Gavin D 

 The majority of people infected suffer only mild or even no symptoms. 

We've had numerous experts saying the numbers of infected is way above the true figure - because only those with moderate-severe symptoms are being tested, along with people a confirmed infected has been in close contact with. 

Yes, certain groups are at much higher risk, and they should take appropriate measures to protect themselves and minimise contact with the general population (and the govt should legislate to force employers to grant leeway in such circumstances)

But what will negatively impact the economy way more than a few thousand severe cases, is an overreaction forced upon EVERYONE whether they give a crap or not.

Like I said, if you're in a high risk group, take appropriate steps to isolate yourself. Just let the rest if us carry on with ordinary life.

Originally Posted by: Saint Snow 

Spot on and pretty much my own reaction almost throughout. It's more than a month since I had mentioned to Mark that I'd understand if he is personally getting worried because of the HIV, but I'd mock Quantum for his hysterical overreaction ~1.5 month ago now (!) and for his baseless, but categorical statements expressed with an air of (non existent) authority.

Originally Posted by: xioni2 

The FCO have got around to updating their travel advice  - still nowhere near strong enough in my view. Personally, in my opinion, they should advise against all but essential travel to anywhere in Italy, France, Spain, Switzerland, Austria or Germany.

Originally Posted by: Maunder Minimum 

As an aside, if this Covid-19 does get out of hand and thousands of pensioners die, I think we should push for a second referendum, given it'll be mostly Brexit supporters who'll have popped their clogs (assuming clogs aren't deemed too European for idiotic nationalists)

Originally Posted by: Saint Snow 

That's because you're hysterical.

Originally Posted by: Saint Snow 

If the government or the public overreacts, then hundreds of thousands of people can lose their jobs and even their homes. It's a difficult balance to get right, but so far I think we are doing relatively well.

Originally Posted by: xioni2 

And where exactly are the beloved EU whilst all this is going on? Barely heard a Dickie bird.

Originally Posted by: CreweCold 

It's a tricky situation and just thinking about my own school, we have many more staff than mainstream primaries and obviously much fewer children. Whenever an illness does the rounds it sweeps through school - before Christmas we had nearly half of the school off sick with a combination of flu and norovirus. 

Most of our children have no understanding of hygiene issues and at the same time most of them require much more physical contact than would be seen in a mainstream school. Most of our kids can't transition from one place to another without holding hands, they can bite, scratch, kick, spit in your face, cough and sneeze all over you, climb on you, many are still in nappies etc.

At the same time on one of our two sites there is a section of school where many of the children have underlying health issue and these children mix freely with others when not in class. Maybe he sensible thing would be to close the school but then what would the parents do? 

Do we wait till we have a confirmed case, do we carry on till we drop. I have no idea what's for the best. 

Originally Posted by: Northern Sky 

The majority of people infected suffer only mild or even no symptoms. 

Originally Posted by: Saint Snow