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Maunder Minimum
09 March 2020 14:37:46


 


Surely even you must have ripped up your Tory Party membership party card. The government wants to ensure a few billionaires can extract more rent from the UK economy rather than putting the welfare of the sovereign nation state first. Rule Britannia!


Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 


I don't regard this as a party political issue in any way - it is however an issue of competence. I am surprised that the government has not acted more decisively, particularly when it comes to foreign travel and those returning from abroad (particularly from countries with an epidemic). I would be surprised if the figures for this country were accurate and as some have pointed out, for obvious reasons fewer tests would be carried out on a Sunday. I am concerned about flights from the USA too - in the UK we have been carrying out far more tests per head of population than most, but the USA is well behind the curve on that one.


We shall see.


New world order coming.
Brian Gaze
09 March 2020 14:38:40
We should randomly test 100,000 people in the UK. Pay them if necessary.
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Brian Gaze
09 March 2020 14:41:01
In South Korea you can install an app which shows the street where the nearest case is. In the UK it would lead to people getting a bullet through their heads. Cultural differences are important.
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Maunder Minimum
09 March 2020 14:41:16

We should randomly test 100,000 people in the UK. Pay them if necessary.

Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 


Agreed. No need to pay them either - all reasonable people would agree to it.


 


New world order coming.
picturesareme
09 March 2020 14:42:19


Most recent data, by country taken from ECDC. I have added % of known deaths and ordered the list from highest to lowest in this regard:






















































































































































































































































































































































































































































































































































































































































































































































RegionPlaces reporting casesConfirmed casesDeaths % of Deaths
AmericaArgentina1218.33
AsiaIraq6246.45
EuropeItaly73753664.96
AsiaChina8085931223.86
AmericaUnited States of America554213.79
OceaniaAustralia8033.75
AsiaIran65661942.95
EuropeSan Marino3712.70
AsiaTaiwan4512.22
AfricaEgypt4912.04
AsiaThailand5012.00
EuropeFrance1126191.69
AsiaJapan48871.43
EuropeNetherlands26531.13
EuropeUnited Kingdom27331.10
OtherCases on an international conveyance Japan70560.85
EuropeSpain58950.85
AsiaSouth Korea7382510.69
EuropeSwitzerland33220.60
AsiaSingapore15000.00
AsiaMalaysia9900.00
AsiaBahrain7900.00
AsiaKuwait6400.00
AsiaUnited Arab Emirates4500.00
AsiaIsrael3900.00
AsiaIndia3400.00
AsiaLebanon3200.00
AsiaVietnam3000.00
AsiaPalestine1900.00
AsiaOman1600.00
AsiaQatar1500.00
AsiaSaudi Arabia1100.00
AsiaPhilippines1000.00
AsiaPakistan600.00
AsiaIndonesia600.00
AsiaAfghanistan400.00
AsiaMaldives400.00
AsiaBangladesh300.00
AsiaCambodia200.00
AsiaBhutan100.00
AsiaSri Lanka100.00
AsiaNepal100.00
AsiaJordan100.00
EuropeGermany90200.00
EuropeSweden20300.00
EuropeBelgium20000.00
EuropeNorway16900.00
EuropeAustria10200.00
EuropeGreece7300.00
EuropeIceland5500.00
EuropeDenmark3800.00
EuropeCzech Republic3200.00
EuropePortugal3000.00
EuropeFinland3000.00
EuropeIreland2100.00
EuropeSlovenia1600.00
EuropeRomania1500.00
EuropeGeorgia1300.00
EuropeCroatia1200.00
EuropePoland1100.00
EuropeEstonia1000.00
EuropeRussia1000.00
EuropeAzerbaijan900.00
EuropeHungary800.00
EuropeBelarus600.00
EuropeSlovakia500.00
EuropeLuxembourg500.00
EuropeBulgaria400.00
EuropeMalta300.00
EuropeNorth Macedonia300.00
EuropeLatvia300.00
EuropeBosnia and Herzegovina200.00
EuropeAlbania200.00
EuropeSerbia100.00
EuropeHOLY SEE VATICAN CITY STATE100.00
EuropeLithuania100.00
EuropeMonaco100.00
EuropeUkraine100.00
EuropeMoldova100.00
EuropeArmenia100.00
EuropeLiechtenstein100.00
EuropeAndorra100.00
AmericaCanada6200.00
AmericaBrazil2500.00
AmericaEcuador1400.00
AmericaChile1000.00
AmericaMexico700.00
AmericaPeru700.00
AmericaCosta Rica500.00
AmericaDominican Republic200.00
AmericaParaguay100.00
AmericaColombia100.00
OceaniaNew Zealand500.00
AfricaAlgeria2000.00
AfricaSenegal400.00
AfricaSouth Africa300.00
AfricaCameroon200.00
AfricaMorocco200.00
AfricaTogo100.00
AfricaNigeria100.00
AfricaTunisia100.00
 Total10969538113.47

 


Globally, attributed deaths stands at 3.47%, with Iraq and Argentina seeing the highest percentages of all. 


 


Originally Posted by: Chunky Pea 


Germany 900 cases not one death.


German, Sweden, Norway and Belgium combined almost 1500 cases and not one death.


 


The majority ot of the country's with cases have fewer than 2 deaths.. 


Iran, China, Italy making up most of the death's with only 129/3811 globally outside of those countries.

Saint Snow
09 March 2020 14:44:39

%'age of UK tested giving a positive result has, over the past 10 days, gone:


 


0.20%


0.93%


0.28%


2.85%


1.24%


2.25%


2.13%


3.83%


3.26%


3.18%


 


 



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NickR
09 March 2020 14:45:02


 


Indeed; impossible to form a judgement without the source being given - something you've mentioned a number of times here.


Here's an interesting one from an article on the Imperial College website: https://www.imperial.ac.uk/news/195976/individual-response-covid-19-important-government-action/


 


 



Originally Posted by: Gandalf The White 


It was a visualisation of a basic and uncontroversial principle FFS.


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Maunder Minimum
09 March 2020 14:51:14

Some heavyweight individuals succumbing, possibly because of skiing holidays:


The deputy governor of the Swedish central bank, Martin Floden, has tested positive for coronavirus, a bank spokeswoman is quoted by Reuters news agency as saying.


The chief executive of Groupe ADP, the company which runs the two main international airports in Paris - Charles de Gaulle and Orly - has tested positive for the coronavirus, the group said.


New world order coming.
Chunky Pea
09 March 2020 14:52:45


%'age of UK tested giving a positive result has, over the past 10 days, gone:


 


0.20%


0.93%


0.28%


2.85%


1.24%


2.25%


2.13%


3.83%


3.26%


3.18%


 


 


Originally Posted by: Saint Snow 


How your data looks on a basic Excel plot: 



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westv
09 March 2020 14:53:10


 


Perhaps they have evidence that containment is working. Nobody on this forum has tested positive yet (so I believe), so we don't know what the authorities do when someone does - are they good at tracing all contacts?


Once the spread becomes exponential, the chances of tracing all contacts and isolating them becomes virtually impossible - that is why Italy for example, has now had to resort to extreme measures.


 


Originally Posted by: Maunder Minimum 


Indeed. Either they no more than a bunch of weather geeks on an internet forum or we'll find out not in due course.


At least it will be mild!
Heavy Weather 2013
09 March 2020 14:54:58

It seems that Boris and Trump are playing this the same way:


 


Donald Trump


So last year 37,000 Americans died from the common Flu. It averages between 27,000 and 70,000 per year. Nothing is shut down, life & the economy go on. At this moment there are 546 confirmed cases of CoronaVirus, with 22 deaths. Think about that!


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Brian Gaze
09 March 2020 14:55:09


Some heavyweight individuals succumbing, possibly because of skiing holidays:


The deputy governor of the Swedish central bank, Martin Floden, has tested positive for coronavirus, a bank spokeswoman is quoted by Reuters news agency as saying.


The chief executive of Groupe ADP, the company which runs the two main international airports in Paris - Charles de Gaulle and Orly - has tested positive for the coronavirus, the group said.


Originally Posted by: Maunder Minimum 


Another French MP too. Surely it suggests tens of thousands or more are inflected in a number of European countries. Here in the UK it may be between 5000 and 50000. Until random testing is introduced we can't be at all confident. 


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bowser
09 March 2020 14:55:22


This is from Sky:


'No rationale to close or cancel sporting events as things stand'


Governing bodies and sports broadcasters met with officials at the Department for Digital, Culture, Media and Sport (DCMS) to discuss potential contingency plans for sporting events in the event that coronavirus puts a stop to events.


A DCMS statement said: "Senior government officials chaired a constructive meeting of sports and broadcast partners, as part of sensible contingency planning in relation to Covid-19.


"This included a discussion of how staging sporting events behind closed doors could work in practice, should the situation change and become necessary.


"However based upon the current scientific advice from the Government's medical experts there is no rationale to close or cancel sporting events as things stand.


"We will remain in regular dialogue with sports governing bodies and broadcasters, ensuring they are in receipt of the most up to date guidance from the health authorities."


___


It does make you wonder what our government scientists are saying that is so different to those in other parts of Europe.


Originally Posted by: Heavy Weather 2013 


I'm not particularly surprised. Its all been about 'crowd management' from day 1 and every government partakes in it to varying degrees.

picturesareme
09 March 2020 14:57:36
Germany now has 1150 cases and as of yet still no known deaths. A German citizen has dies in Egypt though after contracting it.

I'm wondering now why we have such difference in kill rates from country to country
Gavin D
09 March 2020 15:01:00

xioni2
09 March 2020 15:01:18


 It looks at present that it is the weaker version prevalent in the UK, with the stronger version in Italy. 


Originally Posted by: warrenb 


Again there is not much evidence of this. The main difference between Italy and other European countries is that Italy has a big and highly concentrated cluster in Lombardy with local hospitals overwhelmed and a partial inability to transfer critical cases to other ICUs around the country.


 

Brian Gaze
09 March 2020 15:01:27

Germany now has 1150 cases and as of yet still no known deaths. A German citizen has dies in Egypt though after contracting it.

I'm wondering now why we have such difference in kill rates from country to country

Originally Posted by: picturesareme 


 


Give it 10 days and then look at the stats. 


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xioni2
09 March 2020 15:05:57


 Again there is not much evidence of this. The main difference between Italy and other European countries is that Italy has a big and highly concentrated cluster in Lombardy with local hospitals overwhelmed and a partial inability to transfer critical cases to other ICUs around the country.


 

Originally Posted by: xioni2 


Just to give an example: the man who died in Milton Keynes last week was under mechanical ventilation and when he took off his mask, he asphyxiated. At least this is what the family was told by the hospital according to the Guardian.

Saint Snow
09 March 2020 15:10:47

Spain up to around 1,000 - near doubling from yesterday. Madrid particularly affected.


And there's 3,000 Atletico fans travelling to Liverpool for Wednesday's game




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picturesareme
09 March 2020 15:12:14
Is it possible to be infected with 2 viruses at once?

Could it be possible to have both Influenza and covid19 at the same time? Was there recently a flu outbreak in lombardy region?
Maunder Minimum
09 March 2020 15:12:29

This should concern all who are worried about CO2 emissions and global warming - European Ghost Flights:


https://www.businessinsider.com/coronavirus-airlines-run-empty-ghost-flights-planes-passengers-outbreak-covid-2020-3?r=US&IR=T


If the EU wanted to do something worthwhile, it would lift the requirements to land planes or lose landing slots:


 



  • Airlines are running empty "ghost" flights during the coronavirus outbreak because of European rules forcing operators to run their allocated flights or risk losing their slots.

  • Some airlines have wasted thousands of gallons of fuel flying the empty planes into and out of Europe.

  • Demand for flights has collapsed worldwide, with one airline-industry group saying the outbreak could wipe out up to $113 billion in sales.

  • UK Transport Secretary Grant Shapps wrote to flight regulators demanding that the "use it or lose it" rules be suspended to stop the ghost flights.


 More on this:


https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/news/airlines-are-flying-empty-planes-to-keep-slots-during-the-coronavirus-crisis-c8w33vzqg


"...


Under European Union laws, airlines must operate 80 per cent of their allocated airport slots under normal circumstances or risk losing them to a competitor — the so-called 80/20 rule. It still applies to the UK under the terms of the Brexit transition agreement.


One UK airline told The Times that without a relaxation of the rules it would have to operate 32 flights over the next three weeks with an average of only 40 per cent of seats filled. In all, it would fly with more than 5,200 empty seats during that period.


Mr Shapps said that some planes were being flown with no passengers at all to satisfy the rules.


..."


New world order coming.
xioni2
09 March 2020 15:13:39

Just look at the official Italian map, most of the country has widely spread cases with only a gradual increase day per day. This is similar to what is happening in the UK and most other European countries. Look though at the big cluster in Lombardy, a small and densely populated area. The vast majority of deaths are from that area.


Brian Gaze
09 March 2020 15:13:47


Spain up to around 1,000 - near doubling from yesterday. Madrid particularly affected.


And there's 3,000 Atletico fans travelling to Liverpool for Wednesday's game



Originally Posted by: Saint Snow 


Surreal. The match should be played behind closed doors or postponed. 


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Chunky Pea
09 March 2020 15:14:56


This should concern all who are worried about CO2 emissions and global warming - European Ghost Flights:


https://www.businessinsider.com/coronavirus-airlines-run-empty-ghost-flights-planes-passengers-outbreak-covid-2020-3?r=US&IR=T


If the EU wanted to do something worthwhile, it would lift the requirements to land planes or lose landing slots:


 



  • Airlines are running empty "ghost" flights during the coronavirus outbreak because of European rules forcing operators to run their allocated flights or risk losing their slots.

  • Some airlines have wasted thousands of gallons of fuel flying the empty planes into and out of Europe.

  • Demand for flights has collapsed worldwide, with one airline-industry group saying the outbreak could wipe out up to $113 billion in sales.

  • UK Transport Secretary Grant Shapps wrote to flight regulators demanding that the "use it or lose it" rules be suspended to stop the ghost flights.


 


Originally Posted by: Maunder Minimum 


Absolutely incredible. 


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Brian Gaze
09 March 2020 15:14:59


Just look at the official Italian map, cases are widely spread in most of the country with only a gradual increase day per day. This is similar to what is happening in the UK and most other European countries. Look though at the big cluster in Lombardy, a small and densely populated area. The vast majority of deaths are from that area.



Originally Posted by: xioni2 


Spain appears to have gone into maximum overdrive. 


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