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xioni2
10 March 2020 14:19:56


 The table linked on the last page had berkhamsted's county, Herts with the most cases - 13 so it does sound like a relative hotspot.


Originally Posted by: JHutch 


This virus is part of class warfare, it targeted a wealthy part of China, then the wealthiest part of Italy and now one of the wealthiest in the UK, all this while it has left Africa mostly alone.


 

speckledjim
10 March 2020 14:23:38


 


Just down the road from here. 


Early days but signs the death rate in the UK is high. Comparable to Italy. If that's the case we may have imported the more severe variant. 


Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 


So we've got the severe variant and Germany has the non severe one? How does that work?


Thorner, West Yorkshire


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Gavin D
10 March 2020 14:24:23
Breaking: 55 new cases in the UK
John p
10 March 2020 14:25:07

Breaking: Today's figures from Department of Health and Social Care are delayed until later this afternoon.

Originally Posted by: Gavin D 


What were the numbers yesterday?


Camberley, Surrey
speckledjim
10 March 2020 14:25:23

Breaking: 55 new cases in the UK

Originally Posted by: Gavin D 


Still being kept low - good news


Thorner, West Yorkshire


Journalism is organised gossip
Maunder Minimum
10 March 2020 14:25:26


 


Let's agree to disagree.  I have been providing some much-needed balance in a thread that you and others have turned into a hysterical misrepresention of actual events as they have happened.


Covid-19 seems to be widely in circulation now. It was in Italy for some time before it was identified; ditto North America and no doubt elsewhere. 


I'm not sure what you think your draconian measures would have achieved and I know you haven't thought about the consequences.


Originally Posted by: Gandalf The White 


We can agree to disagree, but I object most strongly to your use of the term "hysterical".


I was not "hysterical" about cruise ships as floating petri dishes and I have been right about the benefits of early intervention on travel from affected regions. The evidence speaks for itself - look at Taiwan for example.


Japan appears to be doing a decent job of containment too, despite an early pick up in cases.


Europe is now the regional hotspot and it is going down the same road China did in the early days of the outbreak there. It is abundently clear that if serious travel restrictions had been placed on Italy at the very outset, that the spread and depth of infection in other European countries would not now be so severe.


Yes, there is a balance to be had domestically - not closing schools too soon or shutting down sporting events too soon - I agree with that. My point has always been about international travel.


New world order coming.
Gavin D
10 March 2020 14:25:45


 


Maybe they're really bad and will be released with an official move to delay?


Originally Posted by: John p 


 


Minor tech issue. New figures are 55.

xioni2
10 March 2020 14:25:54


  If that's the case we may have imported the more severe variant. 


Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 


Sorry for repeating myself, but there is little evidence that there is a more severe variant!


 

xioni2
10 March 2020 14:26:57

Breaking: 55 new cases in the UK

Originally Posted by: Gavin D 


Saint Snow
10 March 2020 14:27:29


Early days but signs the death rate in the UK is high. Comparable to Italy. If that's the case we may have imported the more severe variant. 


Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 


 


You might want to check your calculator.


 


Italy:


9,172 cases / 463 deaths = 5.05%


 


UK:


463 cases / 6 deaths = 1.87%



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springsunshine
10 March 2020 14:28:13

The fact is that this virus is now with us and embedded in,its a question of how many have been infected and how fast and how many more become infected it could be thousands or millions we don`t know! Any reactive action now is probably way too late and the only thing to do is take all sensible precautions and tough it out.The economy will take a hit its just how big a hit and the govt should now be concentrating on giving the correct advise on what to do if you develop symptoms and how to get get through it.From what I can gather covid-19 is similar to flu but the most concerning thing is you can get infected and not show any symptoms at all or at least not for a long time during which a person unknowingly is transmitting it all over the place whilst feeling perfectly well. The best course of action could be to let nature take its course and our bodies develop their own immunity for those that go down with it.The human body is a remarkable laboratory that can develop its own defences and immunity to all sorts of things.Its inevitable  that there will be casualties both in human terms,the economy and probably the nhs.The govt have to accept this and formulate plans to minimise the impacts. So far they have not done much at all and whatever they do from now on is going to be too little too late.

Justin W
10 March 2020 14:28:16


 



Originally Posted by: xioni2 


 


Yes - good news. It does appear to be moving more slowly here. Let's hope it continues like this. 


Yo yo yo. 148-3 to the 3 to the 6 to the 9, representing the ABQ, what up, biatch?
Gavin D
10 March 2020 14:28:24
Breaking: The EU will temporarily drop rules which say airlines must operate 80% of scheduled services to keep landing slots at airports
Brian Gaze
10 March 2020 14:29:11


 


 


You might want to check your calculator.


 


Italy:


9,172 cases / 463 deaths = 5.05%


 


UK:


463 cases / 6 deaths = 1.87%


Originally Posted by: Saint Snow 


Yes but a lot of those cases are relatively new. 


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Maunder Minimum
10 March 2020 14:31:17

Breaking: The EU will temporarily drop rules which say airlines must operate 80% of scheduled services to keep landing slots at airports

Originally Posted by: Gavin D 


Good news - Grant Shapps wrote to them about this last week, so maybe his intervention helped. In any case, it will prevent so called ghost flights (empty airplanes).


Do they say how long "temporary" is?


New world order coming.
xioni2
10 March 2020 14:36:37

Here is the problem:


British Airways has sent an email to all of its staff asking them to take voluntary unpaid leave, after cancelling all flights to and from Italy until 4 April


Other airlines have taken similar measures.

warrenb
10 March 2020 14:37:04
4.15% positive rate. It is creeping up slowly.
speckledjim
10 March 2020 14:38:48


Here is the problem:


British Airways has sent an email to all of its staff asking them to take voluntary unpaid leave, after cancelling all flights to and from Italy until 4 April


Other airlines have taken similar measures.


Originally Posted by: xioni2 


 


If similar action is taken for Spain it will have a huge impact on the likes of Ryanair and Easyjet


Thorner, West Yorkshire


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Gavin D
10 March 2020 14:42:31

Cases by region in England



  • East of England | 29 (+5)

  • London | 91 (+30)

  • Midlands | 36 (+6)

  • North East and Yorkshire | 24 (+2)

  • North West | 37 (+2)

  • South East | 51 (+8)

  • South West | 41  (+3)


To be determined | 15 (-9)

John p
10 March 2020 14:43:31


 


 


Yes - good news. It does appear to be moving more slowly here. Let's hope it continues like this. 


Originally Posted by: Justin W 


Having said that, predictions I saw were for the numbers to roughly double every six days.


To get from today's 373 to 756 in six days time would only require us to have 60 new cases each day, which looks easily possible.


To maintain the rate of increase you'd obviously expect the daily cases to rise gradually each day to circa 100 cases per day by the start of next week. 


Camberley, Surrey
xioni2
10 March 2020 14:44:21

From today's Corriere Della Sera (google translate):



- Coronavirus can severely affect even the youngest . Statistics show that Lombardy, the region with the most cases of contagion: of the 440 most serious patients admitted to intensive care on 9 March, 8% are between 25 and 49 years old, 33% between 50 and 64, the 37% between 65 and 74, 22% over 75 years.



  - Those who are young have more weapons to fight the virus : the Resuscitation treatment involves shock therapies (with cocktails of antiviral drugs, antibiotics and, experimentally, those used to treat HIV) easier to bear for who does not have a physique already weakened.



- For the treatment to be successful, a combination of three factors must work : vital therapies (hydration, artificial feeding, etc.); treatments with the experimental drug cocktail; the absence of subsequent complications (to be avoided with anti-thrombosis prophylaxis, tests to detect the occurrence of bacterial overinfections of the lungs, etc.).




- A significant contribution to the chances of recovery gives it the absence of other pathologies : it means that, in addition to the lungs, the other organs work well. - In a young physique, it is more difficult for problems during treatment to other organs such as the heart, liver and kidneys.




- Critical but stable conditions are a good sign : "Patient One" had to stay in therapy for almost three weeks. This for doctors is a sign of how the virus evolves: the worsening is rapid, there is a long phase of stabilization, then the beginning of the improvement. Mattia is now in the sub-intensive care unit of San Matteo and is in the phase that doctors call weaning, in which the shock therapies are gradually suspended. His breathing is autonomous and semi-conscious. From Mojoli and Bruno a clarification: "The" Patient One "is the symbol of the fact that Coronavirus can be healed even in very serious conditions - they say -. But for us all patients are like "Patient One" ».


JHutch
10 March 2020 14:44:50


Cases by region in England



  • East of England | 29 (+5)

  • London | 91 (+30)

  • Midlands | 36 (+6)

  • North East and Yorkshire | 24 (+2)

  • North West | 37 (+2)

  • South East | 51 (+8)

  • South West | 41  (+3)


To be determined | 15 (-9)


Originally Posted by: Gavin D 


London +30 today is quite a jump.

Lionel Hutz
10 March 2020 14:46:56


From today's Corriere Della Sera (google translate):



- Coronavirus can severely affect even the youngest . Statistics show that Lombardy, the region with the most cases of contagion: of the 440 most serious patients admitted to intensive care on 9 March, 8% are between 25 and 49 years old, 33% between 50 and 64, the 37% between 65 and 74, 22% over 75 years.



  - Those who are young have more weapons to fight the virus : the Resuscitation treatment involves shock therapies (with cocktails of antiviral drugs, antibiotics and, experimentally, those used to treat HIV) easier to bear for who does not have a physique already weakened.



- For the treatment to be successful, a combination of three factors must work : vital therapies (hydration, artificial feeding, etc.); treatments with the experimental drug cocktail; the absence of subsequent complications (to be avoided with anti-thrombosis prophylaxis, tests to detect the occurrence of bacterial overinfections of the lungs, etc.).




- A significant contribution to the chances of recovery gives it the absence of other pathologies : it means that, in addition to the lungs, the other organs work well. - In a young physique, it is more difficult for problems during treatment to other organs such as the heart, liver and kidneys.




- Critical but stable conditions are a good sign : "Patient One" had to stay in therapy for almost three weeks. This for doctors is a sign of how the virus evolves: the worsening is rapid, there is a long phase of stabilization, then the beginning of the improvement. Mattia is now in the sub-intensive care unit of San Matteo and is in the phase that doctors call weaning, in which the shock therapies are gradually suspended. His breathing is autonomous and semi-conscious. From Mojoli and Bruno a clarification: "The" Patient One "is the symbol of the fact that Coronavirus can be healed even in very serious conditions - they say -. But for us all patients are like "Patient One" ».



Originally Posted by: xioni2 


Presumably, the 25/49 year old patients seriously affected had underlying conditions of some kind?


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speckledjim
10 March 2020 14:47:24


From today's Corriere Della Sera (google translate):



- Coronavirus can severely affect even the youngest . Statistics show that Lombardy, the region with the most cases of contagion: of the 440 most serious patients admitted to intensive care on 9 March, 8% are between 25 and 49 years old, 33% between 50 and 64, the 37% between 65 and 74, 22% over 75 years.



  - Those who are young have more weapons to fight the virus : the Resuscitation treatment involves shock therapies (with cocktails of antiviral drugs, antibiotics and, experimentally, those used to treat HIV) easier to bear for who does not have a physique already weakened.



- For the treatment to be successful, a combination of three factors must work : vital therapies (hydration, artificial feeding, etc.); treatments with the experimental drug cocktail; the absence of subsequent complications (to be avoided with anti-thrombosis prophylaxis, tests to detect the occurrence of bacterial overinfections of the lungs, etc.).




- A significant contribution to the chances of recovery gives it the absence of other pathologies : it means that, in addition to the lungs, the other organs work well. - In a young physique, it is more difficult for problems during treatment to other organs such as the heart, liver and kidneys.




- Critical but stable conditions are a good sign : "Patient One" had to stay in therapy for almost three weeks. This for doctors is a sign of how the virus evolves: the worsening is rapid, there is a long phase of stabilization, then the beginning of the improvement. Mattia is now in the sub-intensive care unit of San Matteo and is in the phase that doctors call weaning, in which the shock therapies are gradually suspended. His breathing is autonomous and semi-conscious. From Mojoli and Bruno a clarification: "The" Patient One "is the symbol of the fact that Coronavirus can be healed even in very serious conditions - they say -. But for us all patients are like "Patient One" ».



Originally Posted by: xioni2 


 


No serious cases for anyone under the age of 25....


Thorner, West Yorkshire


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xioni2
10 March 2020 14:49:08


 Presumably, the 25/49 year old patients seriously affected had underlying conditions of some kind?


Originally Posted by: Lionel Hutz 


Not necessarily, the 2 Italian doctors from the frontline said they had cases of healthy younger patients in intensive care.

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