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Maunder Minimum
06 March 2020 20:23:52


Don’t laugh but it does make me wonder after MM post in bold that I already have it I don’t feel that good for last 4 days but not real bad  just not right and I’ve been a bit hot and cold for last 3 days also a tiny dry cough just thought it was one of  those things been sleeping ok


Originally Posted by: Polar Low 


You could phone 111 and see if you can get tested. But if you have a genuine suspicion that you might possibly have it, the best thing to do is to self isolate.

New world order coming.
Polar Low
06 March 2020 20:30:31

Think I might just to be sure only thing is l help out at a school from time to time and most have been feeling the same all week I put it down to something else doing the rounds Nicky also said something not right about himself this week that’s the trouble we are going to have.


 



 


You could phone 111 and see if you can get tested. But if you have a genuine suspicion that you might possibly have it, the best thing to do is to self isolate.


Originally Posted by: Maunder Minimum 

four
  • four
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06 March 2020 20:36:15
Interesting new analysis from China,and what needs to happen here - proactively not reactively.
Note patients who need hospitalising might be there for six weeks.
https://www.reddit.com/r/China_Flu/comments/fbt49e/the_who_sent_25_international_experts_to_china/ 
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Lionel Hutz
06 March 2020 20:39:54

Ireland have reported 5 new cases

Total now 18

Originally Posted by: Gavin D 


We have a case here where a doctor returned from holiday in Northern Italy in February. He was diagnosed with corona virus this week. It seems extraordinary that a doctor returning from an affected zone didn't self isolate. He has been working for at least a week since returning so you would have to fear how many patients he could have infected. 

Lionel Hutz
Nr.Waterford , S E Ireland
68m ASL



NickR
06 March 2020 20:44:52

Interesting new analysis from China,and what needs to happen here - proactively not reactively.
Note patients who need hospitalising might be there for six weeks.
Originally Posted by: four 

">https://www.reddit.com/r/China_Flu/comments/fbt49e/the_who_sent_25_international_experts_to_china/


A serious piece that really does make clear that we are in trouble. We simply do not have the capacity to help enough people, and are unlikely to be able to respond in the manner that China did.

Nick
Durham
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Maunder Minimum
06 March 2020 20:47:58

Interesting new analysis from China,and what needs to happen here - proactively not reactively.
Note patients who need hospitalising might be there for six weeks.
https://www.reddit.com/r/China_Flu/comments/fbt49e/the_who_sent_25_international_experts_to_china/


Originally Posted by: four 

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Well found Four - an excellent and sobering read.


Why are our western elites all so dumb?
I don't get it.
 
OK, for some time Italy was incubating the problem and nobody knew - fair enough.
 
However, once it became apparent that Italy had a problem (2 weeks ago?), Austria, Germany, France, Switzerland and Croatia should have closed their borders - sorry but that would have been common sense.
 
All countries in Europe should have immediately suspended flights to Milan, except to bring citizens home and quarantine them - fact.
 
Utter shambles that none of that happened, so whatever France, Germany, Switzerland and Austria now get, is what their elites have decreed.  The China experience shows that isolating communities, throwing in resources, identifying all contacts and testing them, is the only way to contain this epidemic.
New world order coming.
Ulric
06 March 2020 20:48:52


Think I might just to be sure only thing is l help out at a school from time to time and most have been feeling the same all week I put it down to something else doing the rounds Nicky also said something not right about himself this week that’s the trouble we are going to have.


Originally Posted by: Polar Low 


Honestly, there is definitely more than one "bug" doing the rounds right now.


The usual round of winter colds will cause a lot of worry.


 

To doubt everything or to believe everything are two equally convenient solutions; both dispense with the necessity of reflection. - Henri Poincaré
Ulric
06 March 2020 20:54:38


Utter shambles that none of that happened, so whatever France, Germany, Switzerland and Austria now get, is what their elites have decreed.  The China experience shows that isolating communities, throwing in resources, identifying all contacts and testing them, is the only way to contain this epidemic.

Originally Posted by: Maunder Minimum 


What we get won't be what the Tory elite have decreed though will it?


It will be the fault of people who don't wash their hands.


The great unwashed will take the rap.

To doubt everything or to believe everything are two equally convenient solutions; both dispense with the necessity of reflection. - Henri Poincaré
Polar Low
06 March 2020 20:58:06

Yes Paul, but like I said the worry is the disguise of the virus by something else like I and many others have.



 


Honestly, there is definitely more than one "bug" doing the rounds right now.


The usual round of winter colds will cause a lot of worry.


 


Originally Posted by: Ulric 

Maunder Minimum
06 March 2020 20:59:20

Just read this, but it is a case of too little too late:


"23 new cases in Austria [source] Several students and teachers affected. From now on, direct flights to Iran, South Korea and the two northern Italian cities of Milan and Bologna will no longer be carried. In addition, there are going to be "one-off health checks" on the borders with Italy. "


 

New world order coming.
Caz
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06 March 2020 21:00:46


Think I might just to be sure only thing is l help out at a school from time to time and most have been feeling the same all week I put it down to something else doing the rounds Nicky also said something not right about himself this week that’s the trouble we are going to have. 


Originally Posted by: Polar Low 

There’s a lot of colds and mild flu going about which I suppose makes people concerned. My son’s partner came down with flu like symptoms so yesterday he rang 111 because she’s been in close contact with me and hubby who’ve recently been on a cruise in the Far East.  They asked her questions, then instructed her to go to the testing pod at the local hospital.  At the pod they were not concerned as it’s 4 weeks since we returned from Asia but they checked her out anyway and confirmed it wasn’t Covid19.   She has a snotty nose with it though so it was unlikely to be.  


My sister had to phone for an x-ray appointment at the hospital yesterday and they asked if she’d been in contact with anyone who, in the last 14 days had returned from a list of countries.  She said no, so they said, ‘OK we’ll let you in’ and made her an appointment for today.  So they do seem to be on top of things. 

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Polar Low
06 March 2020 21:07:42

Yes Darren and Head at our local school is getting briefed from local authorities  every single morning about virus I know that for a fact


 


 



So, today's job at work is going to be making sure every pupil and teacher in the school has access to Google services, so they can learn and teach from home. That's a massive job, involving all sorts of databasey stuff behind the scenes.

As I said in the last thread, my academy trust is convinced they'll be told to close schools within 2 to 4 weeks, albeit only those at the highest levels (and IT!) know what they're thinking at the moment. Whether that's due to government advice or not, I couldn't say - all I know is that they're freaking out about it (but not in front of the pupils or teachers, lest it cause panic).

I'll be fascinated to see what actually happens.

Originally Posted by: Retron 

Maunder Minimum
06 March 2020 21:11:38

Interesting new analysis from China,and what needs to happen here - proactively not reactively.
Note patients who need hospitalising might be there for six weeks.
Originally Posted by: four 

">https://www.reddit.com/r/China_Flu/comments/fbt49e/the_who_sent_25_international_experts_to_china/


That really is an impressive piece of research - so hypoxia is main cause of death.


Conclusion, 0.7-1.3% is best case scenario and is based on full modern treatment and a huge number will need intensive hospital care to survive in an epidemic. Places like Iran will have a massive hit and a higher death rate - if it gets into Syria, refugee camps, Yemen, Somalia etc - plague equivalent.


 

New world order coming.
Caz
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06 March 2020 21:14:14


Just read this, but it is a case of too little too late:


"23 new cases in Austria [source] Several students and teachers affected. From now on, direct flights to Iran, South Korea and the two northern Italian cities of Milan and Bologna will no longer be carried. In addition, there are going to be "one-off health checks" on the borders with Italy. "


Originally Posted by: Maunder Minimum 

I think the biggest problem has been closing the stable door after the horse has bolted!  But I genuinely believe that by the time the virus is diagnosed, it’s already escaped.  So closing borders is futile.

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Maunder Minimum
06 March 2020 21:18:56


I think the biggest problem has been closing the stable door after the horse has bolted!  But I genuinely believe that by the time the virus is diagnosed, it’s already escaped.  So closing borders is futile.


Originally Posted by: Caz 


But it isn't - it is the only way to contain it. Taiwan was the first to cut itself off from China, it developed the techniques later adopted by China to send in hit teams to identify, test and isolate all contacts of an infected person. If we want solutions, Taiwan is the place to get them from.


P.S. the reason to contain it (apart from the obvious ones) is to give time for effective vaccines to be developed, tested, approved and manufactured. The virus is going to be around forever and the only way to deal with it in the longer term is via vaccination.


 

New world order coming.
Arcus
06 March 2020 21:43:28


 


But it isn't - it is the only way to contain it. Taiwan was the first to cut itself off from China, it developed the techniques later adopted by China to send in hit teams to identify, test and isolate all contacts of an infected person. If we want solutions, Taiwan is the place to get them from.


P.S. the reason to contain it (apart from the obvious ones) is to give time for effective vaccines to be developed, tested, approved and manufactured. The virus is going to be around forever and the only way to deal with it in the longer term is via vaccination.


 


Originally Posted by: Maunder Minimum 


The biggest push we need is for a short-run testing solution - and there's a lot of good people working on that so that it's a swab and 20 minute solution to get some real data.


Don't forget all these figures coming in will be a) very out of date, and b) heavily underestimating infection as they are ignoring asymptomatic cases. I suspect you can increase cases by a factor of 2, 5 or 10 in some countries by the end of this weekend.

Ben,
Nr. Easingwold, North Yorkshire
30m asl
NickR
06 March 2020 21:45:46


 


The biggest push we need is for a short-run testing solution - and there's a lot of good people working on that so that it's a swab and 20 minute solution to get some real data.


Don't forget all these figures coming in will be a) very out of date, and b) heavily underestimating infection as they are ignoring asymptomatic cases. I suspect you can increase cases by a factor of 2, 5 or 10 in some countries by the end of this weekend.


Originally Posted by: Arcus 


Unless I'm reading it wrong (very possible), that report suggests very few people end up being asymptomatic throughout.

Nick
Durham
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Maunder Minimum
06 March 2020 21:47:22
The original WHO report is great, so worth a read:
 
https://www.who.int/docs/default-source/coronaviruse/who-china-joint-mission-on-covid-19-final-report.pdf
 
Much of the global community is not yet ready, in mindset and materially, to implement the measures that have been employed to contain COVID-19 in China. These are the only measures that are currently proven to interrupt or minimize transmission chains in humans. Fundamental to these measures is extremely proactive surveillance to immediately detect cases, very rapid diagnosis and immediate case isolation, rigorous tracking and quarantine of close contacts, and an exceptionally high degree of population understanding and acceptance of these measures.
New world order coming.
Gavin D
06 March 2020 21:54:17

2nd death in England confirmed tonight


 


Both had underlying health issues. A man in his early 80s and a woman in her 70s.


 


Elsewhere. Scotland Women's Six Nations match tomorrow is off after a Scottish player tested positive


 


 


 



The Beast from the East
06 March 2020 21:55:41


 


Is that what Beast uses?...


Originally Posted by: howham 


toilet paper is useless unless you use the quilted stuff, it breaks up and gets stuck. Kleenex is better or just rinse it off under the tap. BTW, the japs are making corona fetish porn with the actors performing in surgical masks on hospital beds 

"We have some alternative facts for you"
Kelly-Ann Conway - special adviser to the President
Arcus
06 March 2020 22:00:41


 


Unless I'm reading it wrong (very possible), that report suggests very few people end up being asymptomatic throughout.


Originally Posted by: NickR 


Well it depends how you define asymptomatic - my understanding is that it's quite common in the under 25s to feel nothing more than mild "cold" like symptoms, so would not necessarily regard it as worrying and seek testing, but have been tested positive in areas where they have done blanket tests related to existing more serious cases. But they are still potential spreaders.

Ben,
Nr. Easingwold, North Yorkshire
30m asl
The Beast from the East
06 March 2020 22:02:36

Hearing now that people missing out on loo roll are now panic buying imodium......

Originally Posted by: JOHN NI 


was in Asda this evening and there were people abusing the staff as there was no loo roll or wipes or gel. Tins of food also stripped. People are so thick. This country deserves all that is coming to it. Brexit and Corona double whammy. Make them suffer for electing Boris with a landslide 

"We have some alternative facts for you"
Kelly-Ann Conway - special adviser to the President
Arcus
06 March 2020 22:07:55


 


was in Asda this evening and there were people abusing the staff as there was no loo roll or wipes or gel. Tins of food also stripped. People are so thick. This country deserves all that is coming to it. Brexit and Corona double whammy. Make them suffer for electing Boris with a landslide 


Originally Posted by: The Beast from the East 


Are people not doing the big-pull on the dispensers in the local Wetherspoons by now and walking out mummified with procured tissue? Seems the obvious alternative. Apart from doc leaves on a local driveway of course. 

Ben,
Nr. Easingwold, North Yorkshire
30m asl
Essan
06 March 2020 22:09:51
I am confused about all these people buying toilet paper. What did they do with the 480 rolls they each bought last year due to Brexit?
Andy
Evesham, Worcs, Albion - 35m asl
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Anyone who is capable of getting themselves made President should on no account be allowed to do the job - DNA
NickR
06 March 2020 22:17:53


 


was in Asda this evening and there were people abusing the staff as there was no loo roll or wipes or gel. Tins of food also stripped. People are so thick. This country deserves all that is coming to it. Brexit and Corona double whammy. Make them suffer for electing Boris with a landslide 


Originally Posted by: The Beast from the East 


Seems very variable according to area. Here in Durham, the big 24 hour Tesco has been out of sanitiser for days, but I went in tonight and although a lot of loo roll had gone, there was still about half the usual amount left. No real reduction in tins, though 85% of the pasta had gone - just the quick-cook crap left. But, generally speaking, you could still pretty much get whatever you wanted.


 


 

Nick
Durham
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