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Heavy Weather 2013
12 March 2020 13:47:02

Trading has been suspended on the NY stock exchange.


FTSE currently down almost 9.5%


Mark
Beckton, E London
Less than 500m from the end of London City Airport runway.
Maunder Minimum
12 March 2020 13:47:09




Originally Posted by: The Beast from the East 


Might as well drain the swamp when nobody is looking


New world order coming.
Maunder Minimum
12 March 2020 13:48:42


 


Unless you only care about the economy


Delaying till next Friday would be madness and death sentence for thousands. Whitty and Vallance seem to have been hand picked by Cummings to do as they are told, whilst most other experts are saying we should have acted last week


 


Originally Posted by: The Beast from the East 


Closing schools is not the big fix some suggest - the Italian experience is that it can help to actually spread the infection. Someone has to look after the children and if that falls to grand parents - you can join up the dots.


New world order coming.
Saint Snow
12 March 2020 13:50:48

Just been reading some reports from people who have recovered.


Sh*t.


Wish I hadn't.


I had flu in Jan 91. It knocked me for 6, spent around 60 hours delirious with fever as my temp bobbed along at around 102f. It hit me on a Sunday night, and I was feeling pretty much alright by the Friday (if a lot drained and achey).


Oddly, I have a fond memory of it. At the time, during the brief spells of lucidity I know I was pleading for it to end and the flu to sod off. But once recovered, I was fascinated at the fever-trip. I watched a film called Southern Comfort one one night (I presume the Tuesday) and spent half the time thinking I was in it, the other half trying to figure out if I was in it or not. 


And yet... I really don't want to go through it again, with potentially worse symptoms. And I tend to panic if I can't breath properly. Not looking forward to getting this.



Martin
Home: St Helens (26m asl) Work: Manchester (75m asl)
A TWO addict since 14/12/01
"How can wealth persuade poverty to use its political freedom to keep wealth in power? Here lies the whole art of Conservative politics."
Aneurin Bevan
Maunder Minimum
12 March 2020 13:54:31

Closing universities would be a mistake - all those students can take care of themselves, being young adults - better that they infect each other, rather than go home and infect their families (providing they are doing the proper student thing an living away from home).


New world order coming.
westv
12 March 2020 14:00:00

Oh to be a fly on the wall at today's COBRA meeting.


At least it will be mild!
Saint Snow
12 March 2020 14:03:54


Oh to be a fly on the wall at today's COBRA meeting.


Originally Posted by: westv 


 


Bozo's anti-fly on the wall precautions...


 




Martin
Home: St Helens (26m asl) Work: Manchester (75m asl)
A TWO addict since 14/12/01
"How can wealth persuade poverty to use its political freedom to keep wealth in power? Here lies the whole art of Conservative politics."
Aneurin Bevan
xioni2
12 March 2020 14:08:21


Oh to be a fly on the wall at today's COBRA meeting.


Originally Posted by: westv 


Gavin D
12 March 2020 14:10:11
Breaking: A number of Leicester City players have shown symptoms of coronavirus and have been kept away from the squad.

Sevendust
12 March 2020 14:10:13


 


 


Bozo's anti-fly on the wall precautions...


 



Originally Posted by: Saint Snow 


Is that Gove? 

Maunder Minimum
12 March 2020 14:11:00

BBC Website:


"Cruise ship firms have suspended upcoming trips in response to the coronavirus pandemic."


This should have happened 3 months ago - the WHO should have recommended it then.


New world order coming.
The Beast from the East
12 March 2020 14:12:33


 


Might as well drain the swamp when nobody is looking


Originally Posted by: Maunder Minimum 


Aren't you concerned that sane, experienced public servants are being purged by Rasputin? We are steps away from an elected dictatorship in the mould of Putin or Orban - always in power thanks to loyal support of the poorly educated masses fed a diet of nationalist hatred and xenophobia


"We have some alternative facts for you"
Kelly-Ann Conway - special adviser to the President
Maunder Minimum
12 March 2020 14:16:15


 


Aren't you concerned that sane, experienced public servants are being purged by Rasputin? We are steps away from an elected dictatorship in the mould of Putin or Orban - always in power thanks to loyal support of the poorly educated masses fed a diet of nationalist hatred and xenophobia


Originally Posted by: The Beast from the East 


Off the thread topic, but I really don't see it like that.


Senior civil servants get into a status quo mindset - sometimes you have to clear out the old to make way for new ideas.


 


New world order coming.
Gavin D
12 March 2020 14:23:25
Breaking: Department of Health and Social Care have announced 134 new cases in the UK
Arcus
12 March 2020 14:23:38
So 590 positive now, but testing still only at 29,764.
Ben,
Nr. Easingwold, North Yorkshire
30m asl
xioni2
12 March 2020 14:24:35

So 590 positive now, but testing still only at 29,764.

Originally Posted by: Arcus 


we were supposed to be testing 10k daily since yesterday

Gavin D
12 March 2020 14:25:34
2,288 test results were completed in the 24 hours to 9am. The highest amount to date.
Saint Snow
12 March 2020 14:25:51


 


Is that Gove? 


Originally Posted by: Sevendust 


 



 


To be fair, it could be any one of about a dozen.



Martin
Home: St Helens (26m asl) Work: Manchester (75m asl)
A TWO addict since 14/12/01
"How can wealth persuade poverty to use its political freedom to keep wealth in power? Here lies the whole art of Conservative politics."
Aneurin Bevan
NickR
12 March 2020 14:27:42
Up by about 33% to 590.

TO NOTE: Around 2250 tests were done. That's considerably more than yesterday, though still way off what is needed.
Nick
Durham
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Saint Snow
12 March 2020 14:27:52


 


we were supposed to be testing 10k daily since yesterday


Originally Posted by: xioni2 


 


 


The theory is that they're deliberately keeping the number of tests down to keep the number of infected people to a minimum until they announce all of the draconian measures from next Friday.



Martin
Home: St Helens (26m asl) Work: Manchester (75m asl)
A TWO addict since 14/12/01
"How can wealth persuade poverty to use its political freedom to keep wealth in power? Here lies the whole art of Conservative politics."
Aneurin Bevan
NickR
12 March 2020 14:28:41


 


we were supposed to be testing 10k daily since yesterday


Originally Posted by: xioni2 


No. They said that would work towards that from yesterday. They pointedly didn't say by when.


Nick
Durham
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xioni2
12 March 2020 14:29:06

A leading public health expert has launched a devastating critique of the government’s handling of the coronavirus outbreak in the UK, saying it is too little too late, lacks transparency and fails to mobilise the public.


Prof John Ashton, a former regional director of public health for north-west England, lambasted a lack of preparation and openness from the government and contrasted Britain’s response to that of Hong Kong.


“Right at the beginning of February, they adopted a total approach to this, which is what we should have done five weeks ago ourselves. They took a decision to work to three principles – of responding promptly, staying alert, working in an open and transparent manner,” he told the Guardian.


“Our lot haven’t been working openly and transparently. They’ve been doing it in a (non) smoke-filled room and just dribbling out stuff. The chief medical officer only appeared in public after about two weeks. Then they have had a succession of people bobbing up and disappearing. Public Health England’s been almost invisible.


“Boris Johnson should have convened Cobra himself over a month ago and had regular meetings with the chief medical officer with the evidence. The thing should have been fronted up nationally by one person who could be regarded as the trusted voice and who could have been interrogated regularly. That’s not happened.”


He accused the government of failing to understand public health, which has been undermined over the past 10 years by cuts in funding of 30% to local authorities, which were given responsibility for it under policy changes made by Andrew Lansley, the former health secretary.


There were no strategies for protecting the vulnerable and there had been a failure to engage the public. “We have a superficial prime minister who has got no grasp of public health,” Ashton said. “Our lot are behaving like 19th-century colonialists playing a five-day game of cricket.


“This virus will find the weak points. You can’t just plan this from an office in Whitehall. It’s pathetic. The government doesn’t seem to understand classic public health. You need to be out and about. You need to get your hands dirty – though preferably gloved and using frequent gel,” he said. He warned that the NHS was not in a position to cope with the large numbers of people who could become seriously ill. “It’s a joke when they put up people to say they are really on top of it and if it spreads at a community level the NHS will cope, it’s always coped. The hospitals are full at the moment, A&Es are full, beds are full, intensive care is full.”


Current contingency plans assume that up to 80% of people could get infected and 4% of those are likely to have serious illness. “That translates into big numbers and there will not be enough intensive facilities for them and people will have to be home-nursed,” Ashton said.


“What the government should have been doing over these last weeks, which they’ve thrown away, is to encourage neighbourhoods, communities, supported by the local public health directors and a joined-up NHS.


“They should have been encouraging people to have their own family plans about how they will maintain the family show on the road, who will be taking the kids to school, how do you entertain them in the Easter holidays? They should have been much clearer, sooner, about making it clear that people shouldn’t be travelling so they could cancel their holidays and get their money back on the insurance.


“They haven’t done any of that. Who’s going to look after elderly people – stop them having to go out, do their shopping for them? People should have been doing that planning – they should have been pointed in that direction by the government. There’s been no discussion about that at all.











Saint Snow
12 March 2020 14:29:18


 


Off the thread topic, but I really don't see it like that.


Senior civil servants get into a status quo mindset - sometimes you have to clear out the old to make way for new ideas.


 


Originally Posted by: Maunder Minimum 


 


I'm sure you'd not be bouncing off the walls if a Corbyn government was forcing experienced Civil Servants out of position in order to plough through legislation that the SC might obstruct.


 


 



Martin
Home: St Helens (26m asl) Work: Manchester (75m asl)
A TWO addict since 14/12/01
"How can wealth persuade poverty to use its political freedom to keep wealth in power? Here lies the whole art of Conservative politics."
Aneurin Bevan
xioni2
12 March 2020 14:30:07


No. They said that would work towards that from yesterday. They pointedly didn't say by when.


Originally Posted by: NickR 


 I see, it was Newsnight that mis-reported it on Tuesday night.

Roonie
12 March 2020 14:37:06

one of my family members has just been tested - results in 3 to 4 days...


Still Lurking.......

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