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Polar Low
17 March 2020 20:17:24

Unless you have both at once


 



Ahh!  That could be the cause of the toilet roll frenzy.  People perhaps confusing Coronavirus with Norovirus.   


Originally Posted by: Caz 

Rob K
17 March 2020 20:18:22
Tried to get a Tesco delivery slot for my parents (they are not registered for online shopping) and the first one available was April 5. Fortunately they have plenty of dried, tinned and frozen supplies, but as they are nearly 200 miles away I feel slightly powerless to help them. I’m going to try to track down volunteer groups local to them who will be able to help with shopping, as my wife and I have been offering for our elderly neighbours.
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SJV
17 March 2020 20:19:16


 


They are wasting too much valuable time, they will do it anyway so why not do it right now! The Italian ICU doctors have been warning us for more than 2 weeks now, 'don't wait until the surge hits the ICUs'.


People I know are in the pub tonight.


 


Originally Posted by: xioni2 


Agreed. Also, people I know are, or were at least, down the pub tonight as well.

David M Porter
17 March 2020 20:19:57


 


 


Again the testing.


So much evidence and expert advice that massive levels of testing is key, and this government first allowed testing facilities to become overrun, then scaled testing right back (unless you're a politician, footballer or celebrity). 


Surely they should have pumped additional resources in weeks ago as a vital tool in confronting this.


This government has been shambolic from the start, then changed its entire strategy just when the crisis was beginning to accelerate. I hope they're held to account once this has receded.


Originally Posted by: Saint Snow 



HMG should have got its finger out and began to tale this virus seriously back in January before it was known that COVID-19 had reached the UK. If not then, they should have raised the alert level at the end of January when the first UK case of the virus was confirmed. Had they done that then, we may now have been facing a situation which although still serious, was somewhat less perilous than what we are now facing.


This government are guilty of, IMO anyway, gross dereliction of duty in its duty to protect the public at large.

Lenzie, Glasgow

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Caz
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17 March 2020 20:20:04


 


Nobody thinks they will need more toilet roll than usual. It’s just one thing that everybody needs and nobody wants to run out of. (Although to be honest if you’re at home all the time and you have a shower in your house... well, I don’t need to spell it out.)


 


We have two kids, one is still in nappies, but it’s amazing how much toilet roll the older one seems to get through!


Originally Posted by: Rob K 

Now, there’s a point.  I have a nephew who can demolish a full roll at one sitting.  

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Gooner
17 March 2020 20:20:25

Tried to get a Tesco delivery slot for my parents (they are not registered for online shopping) and the first one available was April 5. Fortunately they have plenty of dried, tinned and frozen supplies, but as they are nearly 200 miles away I feel slightly powerless to help them. I’m going to try to track down volunteer groups local to them who will be able to help with shopping, as my wife and I have been offering for our elderly neighbours.

Originally Posted by: Rob K 


I was planning on shopping being delivered to my parents but a delivery slot is miles away , just will have to shop and leave it at their door 

Remember anything after T120 is really Just For Fun



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Caz
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17 March 2020 20:22:58


 



I doubt that very much , I had a debate with two Customer Service people who proudly announced between them had purchased up to 60 toilet rolls from Morrisons , they are well aware of this virus their reasoning , " if we don't someone will "


Originally Posted by: Gooner 

And that as well!  

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SJV
17 March 2020 20:23:29


Quote from part one of this thread:


 


So good luck to him in the pub winging to his socialist mates about the lack of govt help to sufferers of this non-problem.


Originally Posted by: RobN 


I totally agree that Beast shouldn't be lording it down at the pub in times like this, almost enjoying flouting advice.


However I reckon a very high percentage of us were equally underestimating/misjudging what was to come. He's certainly not the only one who didn't see this sort of pandemic coming*


*I know some did - kudos to them 

DEW
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17 March 2020 20:23:35


Given the advice for over 70s to remain at home, I was surprised to see so many out shopping in supermarkets today.


It's the first day, and perhaps they're just getting provisions in, but they comprised about half the shoppers in pretty busy supermarkets. 


Originally Posted by: Saint Snow 


Advice doesn't apply until the weekend - or does it? Govt fudging on this one.


I expect like myself (and I went to the supermarket today) they reckon that that the risk can't be much greater than yesterday, that it's possible in large stores to keep well clear of other people, and that they'd rather take a small chance of catching the virus in a low prevalence area (both Lancs and W Sussex in this category) against the certainty of starving. Note that most supermarkets have greyed out click-and-collect/delivery on their websites, hopefully a temporary measure while they get organised.

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Saint Snow
17 March 2020 20:24:56

The most heartbreaking picture I've seen about this whole shitshow was an elderly gentleman looking stressed and confused as he stands behind his trolley next to a long empty rack where toilet rolls should be, peering at a shopping list.


I've done a shop for my mum & dad today. Some things obviously out of stock (today the worst so far for empty shelves here) and when I dropped them off, my dad broke down in tears when he went to hug me and stopped himself.


I hate this.


 


Edit: I lathered my hands in gel before going into the supermarkets and again before grabbing the bags and taking them into their house. Kept a good distance. A very brief fist-bump replaced the usual hug.


I hope they get through this and can experience normality again.


 


 


 


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DEW
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17 March 2020 20:28:55


Because in war times for example if push comes to shove you find other ways I’m sorry but it’s true.


Get a old T shirt use it and boil it like the old nappies I had use it again repeat that’s the way, or find some other way some people have had life easy.


what  choice is there if stock is gone.


Originally Posted by: Polar Low 


The Romans had a vinegar-soaked sponge on the end of a stick

War does not determine who is right, only who is left - Bertrand Russell

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Polar Low
17 March 2020 20:29:52

Your a good man Martin


 




The most heartbreaking picture I've seen about this whole shitshow was an elderly gentleman looking stressed and confused as he stands behind his trolley next to a long empty rack where toilet rolls should be, peering at a shopping list.


I've done a shop for my mum & dad today. Some things obviously out of stock (today the worst so far for empty shelves here) and when I dropped them off, my dad broke down in tears when he went to hug me and stopped himself.


I hate this.


 


 


 


Originally Posted by: Saint Snow 

Justin W
17 March 2020 20:30:28


The most heartbreaking picture I've seen about this whole shitshow was an elderly gentleman looking stressed and confused as he stands behind his trolley next to a long empty rack where toilet rolls should be, peering at a shopping list.


I've done a shop for my mum & dad today. Some things obviously out of stock (today the worst so far for empty shelves here) and when I dropped them off, my dad broke down in tears when he went to hug me and stopped himself.


I hate this.


 


 


Edit: I lathered my hands in gel before going into the supermarkets and again before grabbing the bags and taking them into their house. Kept a good distance. A very brief fist-bump replaced the usual hug.


I hope they get through this and can experience normality again.


 


 


 


Originally Posted by: Saint Snow 


Maybe it would be better if 250,000 of your parents’ generation laid down their lives so we could be ‘back to normal by the summer’

Yo yo yo. 148-3 to the 3 to the 6 to the 9, representing the ABQ, what up, biatch?
Whether Idle
17 March 2020 20:32:48


 


Maybe it would be better if 250,000 of your parents’ generation laid down their lives so we could be ‘back to normal by the summer’


Originally Posted by: Justin W 


I hope you are just trying to be provocatively ironic.

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Gooner
17 March 2020 20:33:55


 


I hope you are just trying to be provocatively ironic.


Originally Posted by: Whether Idle 


He is 

Remember anything after T120 is really Just For Fun



Marcus
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Polar Low
17 March 2020 20:37:54

Opps miss, not sure I want acid on my balls



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The Romans had a vinegar-soaked sponge on the end of a stick


Caz
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17 March 2020 20:39:08


The most heartbreaking picture I've seen about this whole shitshow was an elderly gentleman looking stressed and confused as he stands behind his trolley next to a long empty rack where toilet rolls should be, peering at a shopping list.


I've done a shop for my mum & dad today. Some things obviously out of stock (today the worst so far for empty shelves here) and when I dropped them off, my dad broke down in tears when he went to hug me and stopped himself.


I hate this.


 


Edit: I lathered my hands in gel before going into the supermarkets and again before grabbing the bags and taking them into their house. Kept a good distance. A very brief fist-bump replaced the usual hug.


I hope they get through this and can experience normality again.


Originally Posted by: Saint Snow 

One thing you can be sure of Saint, you’re doing all you possibly can for your folks!    


My daughter and I have swapped hugs and kisses for two brief bumps of our elbows!  We know it means the same!  


We can all get through this but we need to bear it out together.  X

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Saint Snow
17 March 2020 20:44:25


 


It would indeed.


Before that, I'm hoping the antibody test will be widely available to create an 'army of immunes' to help society function. 


I'm also very much in 2 minds about whether I want to catch this or not. On the one hand I'm reasonably fit, have no known relevant health issues, am in a low-risk age group (40's). I get Co-19 and am lucky enough to have only mild or moderate symptoms then recover, and I'd be immune going forwards; one thing less to worry about. 


Yet what if I'm not lucky? What if I do have an unknown medical problem? What if I die...? Who'll look after my girls? Who'll look after my parents (my brother has already died)?


 


Martin
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Maunder Minimum
17 March 2020 20:46:11

CureVac - very irresponsible in my opinion for people to jump the gun and say a vaccine will be ready by the autumn - ready for what?


Before a vaccine can be certified and made available for mass manufacture and distribution, it has to go through very strict testing and monitoring for both the reaction you are looking for (immunisation) and reactions which you certainly don't want to see (remember Thalidomide). So hugely irresponsible for this comment to be made:


"The German company CureVac could have a vaccine ready “towards fall (autumn)”, EU Commission Chief Ursula von der Leyen has said."


Like I wrote, ready for what? Testing? Unlikely to be ready for a mass immunisation programme.


More:


https://blogs.sciencemag.org/pipeline/archives/2020/03/16/curious-case-of-curevac


Although the company has a history of working in mRNA vaccines, so presumably is well placed to develop one:


https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5737050/


Here:


https://www.biospace.com/article/curevac-chief-takes-non-coronavirus-leave-of-absence/


"CureVac has another thing in common with Moderna—neither company has brought a product to market, although they are both on the cutting-edge of mRNA therapeutics."


I am just saying - don't expect to be vaccinated in October - if the work is successful, that is when human trials are likely to begin, with any mass produced and available vaccine still a further six months down the line.

New world order coming.
RobN
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17 March 2020 20:47:35


 


The Romans had a vinegar-soaked sponge on the end of a stick


Originally Posted by: DEW 


I have read somewhere that no self-respecting Roman citizen would wipe their own bottom. That chore was done by slaves.

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doctormog
17 March 2020 20:47:35


Opps miss, not sure I want acid on my balls




 


The Romans had a vinegar-soaked sponge on the end of a stick


Originally Posted by: Polar Low 


Originally Posted by: DEW 


Ballsamic? 


There is so much uncertainty and fear around at the moment that it would none nice if people were a little empathetic and less quick to judge. Most people are motivated by what is best for them and those close to them. We often take different views based on that but perhaps understanding other people’s motivation, or a little empathy for people trying to work out the best way to get through this might help a little. 


The chances are that many of those “panic buyers” are just trying to ensure that they will be okay if they think they need to spend weeks away from the shops? I won’t condemn anyone for “panic buying” when it is motivated by self and family preservation. It is human nature even if there may be a much better way of doing it.


Look after your loved ones but be aware of the needs of others where possible.  Few things are ever really black and white and not many people will know the full circumstances of other people’s lives which may be the motivating factor for their actions. 

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Gooner
17 March 2020 20:48:44

Just looking at the current training programme for PL clubs - highlights


Arsenal - Due back on March 24th


Bournemouth - Training at home until Monday


Chelsea - Players self - isolating


Everton - Training ground closed


Leicester - Team given time off , unconfirmed return


Liverpool - Players training at home 


M Utd - Cancelled training due to Governments advice


Newcastle - not expected back until March 30th 


Norwich - Players told to stay away from training 


 


Clearly they have an insight on the next announcement 


 


 


 


 


 

Remember anything after T120 is really Just For Fun



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Banbury
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Rob K
17 March 2020 20:52:16
This may have already been discussed (I’ve only been dipping in and out of these threads) but is it likely that once testing is widely available and the pandemic has passed through a large proportion of the population there will be some kind of certificate system to show that people have had the disease and are immune and safe to be out in public?

This is assuming of course that reinfection is not possible - something that seems not to be certain?
Yateley, NE Hampshire, 73m asl
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Polar Low
17 March 2020 20:55:45

First human trials have begun first was a 43 year old mother


Phase 1


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-51906604


 



CureVac - very irresponsible in my opinion for people to jump the gun and say a vaccine will be ready by the autumn - ready for what?


Before a vaccine can be certified and made available for mass manufacture and distribution, it has to go through very strict testing and monitoring for both the reaction you are looking for (immunisation) and reactions which you certainly don't want to see (remember Thalidomide). So hugely irresponsible for this comment to be made:


"The German company CureVac could have a vaccine ready “towards fall (autumn)”, EU Commission Chief Ursula von der Leyen has said."


Like I wrote, ready for what? Testing? Unlikely to be ready for a mass immunisation programme.


More:


https://blogs.sciencemag.org/pipeline/archives/2020/03/16/curious-case-of-curevac


Although the company has a history of working in mRNA vaccines, so presumably is well placed to develop one:


https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5737050/


Here:


https://www.biospace.com/article/curevac-chief-takes-non-coronavirus-leave-of-absence/


"CureVac has another thing in common with Moderna—neither company has brought a product to market, although they are both on the cutting-edge of mRNA therapeutics."


I am just saying - don't expect to be vaccinated in October - if the work is successful, that is when human trials are likely to begin, with any mass produced and available vaccine still a further six months down the line.


Originally Posted by: Maunder Minimum 

Essan
17 March 2020 20:56:18
Never understood this modern obsession with hugging (are you really that cold?) and kissing people because you haven;t seen then for 3 hours ..... So if this ends that I for one will be quite happy!

Not fussed if handshakes end either. I never carry a weapon, so what's the point?
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